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Delusion
fyi I appreciate you debating back and forth respectfully! Its nice to see. and I completely agree and wish businesses were held more accountable
also calling them “internment camps” is more of a political statement than a factual one.
That’s not oppression. it is law. Enforcing immigration laws isn’t the same as running secret police or building internment camps. That kind of rhetoric just distracts from the reality: EVERY country on earth has immigration laws and enforces them.
Is your argument based on anything but emotion? It’s not "indiscriminate" at all. If you came here illegally, that’s it. If you came here legally on a visa and didn’t renew it or overstayed, you violated the terms.
I don’t care how much undocumented immigrants contribute in taxes if their illegal presence and activities end up costing us more in the long run. On top of that, businesses hiring them instead of Americans puts small businesses like mine at a huge disadvantage. It’s unfair and it needs to be fixed.
let's continue to hope they represent a very small portion compared to the overall number of arrests.
But here’s the bitter truth: the law is cold and rigid. It’s stuck in outdated rules that don’t reflect real lives and sacrifices. Until Congress steps up to fix this, courts and agencies will keep enforcing these harsh laws. No matter how much pain they cause to some individuals
Well, I would urge supporters to press congress to update rules for military families. That being said it is heartbreaking.
doesn't that just undercuts legal workers, depresses wages, and opens the door to exploitation and criminal networks. I mean I'm starting to see that. A nation needs borders AND accountability.
You can’t say they’re “productive” when they’re working under the table, often using false identities, avoiding taxes, and potentially fueling black market labor.
ok, and then the 1965 law is when the U.S. finally moved away from explicitly racist and heavily ideological immigration policy. so it was than less restrictive 15 years later. Still required screening like you said. now what to do with all these people that dont have papers and are here illegally?
ok if you have concerns voice them.... but casually comparing today to freaking 1932 Germany is a serious claim. (disrespectful really) That was a time of total economic collapse, political assassinations!!!!!, and a full breakdown of democratic order ; it led to genocide.
The Immigration Act of 1924 (also called the National Origins Act) was still in effect in 1958.
The idea that the U.S. had an “open border” system in 1958 is inaccurate. Immigration was tightly controlled by racist quota laws, especially the National Origins Act, which excluded most of the world. lol the system only looked “simple” if you were white and European.
What? No. Being undocumented is a violation of federal law. Being queer is not. One is a legal status issue, the other is not a crime. Comparing the two minimizes the real legal and immigration challenges we’re facing. It’s not a serious argument.
That being said, I am not opposed to allocating funds if the estimate of over 10 million undocumented immigrants is accurate, the U.S. is simply too large for Border Patrol to manage alone. ✌️
That said, if agents are deployed to detain someone and others are present, they likely won’t be overlooked. ICE operates as the interior enforcement arm, while Border Patrol is responsible for apprehensions at or near the border during entry.
I do agree with most of your statement :) I work in the federal system myself, and from what I see, they’re acting on intel. At least that’s primarily what’s happening. The internet and news mislead people.
Invoking 1932 Germany is historically extreme and dangerously misleading.
Yes, I agree Kurt, we should treat people humanely, but compassion doesn't mean ignoring the law or rewarding illegal entry. How would you like to deal with it ?
choosing not to enforce immigration law is already hurting people. It overwhelms cities, burdens social services, strains schools and hospitals, and undermines legal immigration.
FEMA is a federal backup system, not the first line of defense. And despite political disagreements, FEMA’s 2025 budget was over $25 billion. I'd say that's more than enough for coordinated response, especially when used properly by state and local agencies.
The tragedy of children dying in a flood is heartbreaking but blaming FEMA underfunding as the sole cause is a political oversimplification.
He wasn’t talking about 12 million people breaking immigration law. Let’s not twist history to excuse lawlessness. 🗽
Actually, there are around 11–13 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. being here like that is the crime in itself.
"no longer able to protect us" . its mother nature... what the hell are you talking about. Also you suggest funds are being "Shifted from flood protection to immigration enforcement". Could you provide specific budget evidence to support this statement?