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Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

@frostinthepines.bsky.social

Science, religion, and philosophy. Liberal theology in a liberative mode. Postulant for Holy Orders๏ธฑalum Princeton Seminary, Marquette U๏ธฑ#Episcopalian๏ธฑHe/him

created August 18, 2023

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

2/9/2025, 11:22:57 PM | 3 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Tolkien Society (@tolkiensociety.org) reposted

On 2 September 1973 J.R.R. #Tolkien died aged 81. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings is the best-selling book of the 20th Century, and is joined by seminal works The Hobbit and The Silmarillion. He may have died 52 years ago but his influence and legacy lives on in us all. Namรกriรซ. #BookSky

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Beginning my field ed year at St. John in the Wilderness Episcopal Church. Grateful to grow in ministry and continue discerning the call to priesthood. #episcopalchurch #episcopalian #priesthood

An Episcopal church building with three distinct architectural styles: the left section features gray stone and a tower with arched openings and red louvers, evoking a traditional ecclesial presence; the center showcases a Tudor-style facade with exposed wooden beams, white plaster, and a red front door framed by potted plants and a small staircase, offering a warm and welcoming entrance; the right section is finished in light stucco with rectangular windows and a circular decorative element near the roofline. A leafless tree stands in front, partially obscuring the view, adding seasonal texture to the sacred space.
2/9/2025, 4:32:06 PM | 29 1 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

๐Ÿชž

1/9/2025, 7:51:12 PM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Bye

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Ah, a fundamentalist. Thanks for stopping by but hard pass.

1/9/2025, 7:50:11 PM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Relevance?

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

๐Ÿ’ฏ

1/9/2025, 6:49:25 PM | 1 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Edgy atheist fundamentalists coming to comment "umm actually all religion is bad" every time I talk about Christian Nationalism ๐Ÿ˜‚

1/9/2025, 3:13:15 PM | 10 1 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Bingo

1/9/2025, 1:22:17 PM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Matthew D. Taylor (@matthewdtaylor.bsky.social) reposted

This is the first piece I've written since the 2024 election. It is published in a UK outlet (@newhumanist.bsky.social) and tries to make sense of many Christians' messianic attachments to Trump. newhumanist.org.uk/articles/6380

13/2/2025, 12:18:11 PM | 128 55 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

This dude isn't a serious person.

31/8/2025, 8:46:00 PM | 1 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

You tried to say I was "spreading venom against Christians." I'm not. I'm a Christian. Utter nonsense about academia. Rather insulting to Christian academics, I might add. Also, it's the guns. It's the guns. And it's the guns.

31/8/2025, 8:30:59 PM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Hey, Christian here! It's the guns.

31/8/2025, 8:27:08 PM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

A dark, dramatic illustration featuring a church building with a cross-topped steeple at the center. To the left, a silhouetted rifle stands upright; to the right, a cross is draped with an American flag. Smoky shadows and stormy lighting evoke a somber, conflicted atmosphere. Bold text overlays the image: โ€œNo one can serve two mastersโ€ฆ You cannot serve both God and guns.โ€ The verse is adapted from Matthew 6:24, contextualized for the United States.
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and guns." Matthew 6:24, adapted for the United States

31/8/2025, 7:20:11 PM | 4 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Added to my reading list!

31/8/2025, 12:12:26 AM | 8 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Let's go!!! ๐Ÿ’‰๐Ÿ’‰๐Ÿ’‰ #GetVaccinated #VaccinesSaveLives #VaccinesWork

Confirmation notice for a medical visit. The heading reads โ€œGood news! Christopher is all set,โ€ with a subheading noting that visit details were sent by email. A circular icon shows the initials โ€œCL.โ€ Under โ€œVisit details,โ€ the name โ€œChristopher L.โ€ appears with redacted personal info. A syringe icon marks the โ€œWhatโ€ section, listing two vaccinations: COVID-19 (new) (Pfizer) and Flu.
30/8/2025, 9:49:25 PM | 9 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

YES

30/8/2025, 5:30:02 PM | 1 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

actionnetwork.org/letters/writ...

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

๐Ÿ˜‚

30/8/2025, 2:07:23 AM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

No, not even close my friend. I'm beginning to think you're the fundamentalist type. Cheers.

30/8/2025, 2:03:52 AM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

I hear where you're coming from, but that's not quite true. Fundamentalist religion, yes. But certainly not religion in general.

30/8/2025, 1:55:03 AM | 0 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Yep

30/8/2025, 12:20:30 AM | 3 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Yep, that's what I was told growing up

30/8/2025, 12:20:06 AM | 1 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Growing up, I was explicitly told that 'evolutionists' were under demonic/satanic influence. It's "them" vs us.

29/8/2025, 11:41:10 PM | 6 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Yes exactly!

29/8/2025, 11:34:48 PM | 1 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

It's rooted in a broader rejection of scientific inquiry and institutional trust within conservative Christianity. That same posture fuels resistance to vaccines, climate science, and other public health measures. Itโ€™s not just about origins; itโ€™s about the erosion of truth.

29/8/2025, 11:23:37 PM | 22 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

People sometimes ask me, โ€œWhatโ€™s the harm? So some Chriatians believe the earth is 6,000 years old and humans lived alongside dinosaurs.โ€ The harm lies in the deeper framework: young earth creationism isnโ€™t just a quirky, laughably unscientific belief.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

The surge of anti-science and anti-intellectual rhetoric in the halls of power in the US, feverishly supported by white evangelicals, is a major reason I feel compelled to challenge the harmful ideology of young earth creationism.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Evangelical support for #Trump shattered something sacred for many of us raised to value moral integrity. @amyhawk.bsky.social's *The Judas Effect* names that betrayal with prophetic clarity, healing through truth-telling and calling us back to the Gospel. #AmyHawk #TheJudasEffect #Evangelicals

Cover of the book The Judas Effect by Amy Hawk. The subtitle reads, โ€œHow Evangelicals Betrayed Jesus for Power.โ€ The design features the U.S. Capitol building radiating stylized rays, evoking influence and authority. In the foreground, a crowd holds up American flags and Christian crosses, suggesting a fusion of religious fervor and political demonstration. The color paletteโ€”red, white, and blueโ€”echoes themes of nationalism and American identity.
29/8/2025, 3:49:58 PM | 8 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

#GunControlNow

Bold white text on a solid black background reads โ€œITโ€™S THE GUNS.โ€
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

When things get really stressful, I find it helpful to dive back into my comfort games for a mental break. And nothing hits quite like Knights of the Old Republic. Peak Star Wars, peak nostalgia, peak everything. #StarWars #KnightsoftheOldRepublic #KOTOR

Title screen of the video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. The screen features the game's stylized title in gold lettering against a dark background: โ€œSTAR WARS: KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC.โ€ Below the title is the prompt โ€œPress START.โ€ At the bottom, logos and copyright details note the game was developed by BioWare and published by LucasArts, using the BioWare Odyssey Engine, with copyright dates from 2001 to 2003.
27/8/2025, 5:18:49 PM | 6 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Art: "Christ Breaks the Rifle," Otto Pankok #ottopankok #christbreakstherifle #sacredart

Black and white woodcut-style illustration depicting Christ with long hair and a beard, wearing a striped robe. He stands dynamically on one leg, the other raised mid-stride, holding a rifle horizontally across his body as if breaking it. Radiating lines behind him evoke divine presence or moral urgency. The ground beneath is textured with horizontal strokes.
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

God *damn* the guns.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Nice!(a)

27/8/2025, 2:20:09 PM | 1 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

I'm buying copies for my dog's friends too.

27/8/2025, 12:33:32 AM | 1 0 | View on Bluesky | view

Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Lord, have mercy.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

From this day forward and every day since. Julie, you are my always. Happy Anniversary. ๐Ÿ’˜

Black-and-white wedding portrait of a joyful couple outdoors. The groom, in a black tuxedo with a white bow tie and pocket square, stands facing slightly left. The bride, wearing a strapless gown and tiara, embraces him from behind with a radiant smile. They are framed by a corrugated metal wall and soft natural surroundings, evoking warmth, intimacy, and celebration.
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Few voices cut through the noise like @jaredstacy.bsky.social. His work on white evangelicals, Christian Nationalism, and conspiracy culture is incisive, timely, and deeply needed. Donโ€™t miss this book. Preorder today! #JaredStacy #RealityinRuins #Evangelicals #Conspiracy @harperonebooks.bsky.social

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Conservative evangelicals and liberal feminists, traditionally at odds, now rally around anti-trans rhetoric. In *Gender Heretics*, @rebeccajanemorgan.bsky.social reveals how shared ideology, not just bigotry, binds this unlikely alliance. @plutopress.bsky.social #GenderHeretics #TransLiberation

Cover of the book Gender Heretics by Rebecca Jane Morgan, photographed on a wooden surface in natural light. The cover features horizontal stripes in light blue, pink, and whiteโ€”echoing the transgender pride flag. The title is in bold black text, with the โ€œtโ€ in โ€œHereticsโ€ stylized as a white cross. The subtitle reads: โ€œEvangelicals, Feminists, and the Alliance Against Trans Liberation.โ€
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Guilty

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

I've only started to unpack and process the harm Dobson had on my childhood

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

*Loon

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Enjoying a laid-back afternoon and some seriously good beer at Uncommon Loom Brewing ๐Ÿป #uncommonloon #localbeer

A pint of dark amber beer with a foamy head, served in a glass branded with the Uncommon Loon Brewing Company logo. The glass sits on a wooden table in a warm, rustic indoor setting with barrels and wood furniture in the background. Wooden sign for Uncommon Loon Brewing Company, featuring a stylized loon bird and blue backlighting. The sign is framed in rustic wood with a textured plank background, evoking a cozy, Northwoods aesthetic.
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

I suppose I see "superior explanation" as "fitting the data better" and the test of superiority.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

The Ptolemaic system was wrong but coherent, yes. That's why the model that superseded it didn't rely on it being incoherent but on being a superior explanation. That's what I take Tom to be attempting with amipotence. I'm just trying to sharpen his critique.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

But like I said, what I *think* you are getting at is something like, coherent or not, omnipotence has drastic implications for theodicy. That's where I'm with Tom completely.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

What I gather you are pointing to are the moral implications of a view like omnipotence. Tom does this too, and I think very well. And this is exactly where I think the argument should go. If "death by a thousand qualifications" means "it has to be qualified a lot" then that rules out most theology!

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

As far as Aquinas's system, of course it relies on other ideas to make it hang together. So does Tom's. I'm not even saying Aquinas is necessarily correct, merely asking what sort of objection is being leveled against omnipotence. Tom sometimes seems to indicate it's internally incoherent.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Thanks for your thoughts. I'll say that I think you nicely illustrated precisely the point I was trying to make. Trying to say omnipotence is incoherent is a tall order. I only talked about one version that is perfectly internally incoherent, Aquinas's version. There are many others.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Absolutely!

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

One of the most personally meaningful books Iโ€™ve read in years. As a white man and a father, I felt its critique of pseudo-masculine faith and right-wing ideology with aching clarity. Names the danger but offers hope. @angeladenker.bsky.social @broadleafbooks.bsky.social #DisciplesofWhiteJesus

Book cover of Disciples of White Jesus: The Radicalization of American Boyhood by Angela Denker. The design features bold white text on a gray background. Below the title, there's an image of a red-roofed house with a lone figure standing in front. At the bottom, a quote from Jemar Tisby reads: โ€œTimely and essential reading.โ€ The book rests on a weathered wooden surface.
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

"Faith is a gift. To receive this gift means putting oneself behind Jesus as he walks, putting his teachings into practice, and proclaiming the reign of God." โ€“Gustavo Gutiรฉrrez, "Where Will the Poor Sleep?"

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Hahahahah same! youtu.be/gCRTNZDNiFM?...

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

We had the whole movie series set and watched them on repeat! And the Superkids!

DVD cover for The Sword from the Commander Kellie and the Superkids series. It features two central characters: one in silver armor with a sword, and another in a blue uniform with gold trim and a badge. Behind them, a dramatic background of green and orange lightning surrounds a mysterious face with glowing eyes. The title โ€œThe Swordโ€ appears in bold, stylized font, with the series name above it. A DVD logo sits in the bottom right corner.
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youtu.be/l-YJ9WZTV-4?...

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Yeah I guess you could say I'm a Western movie buff #justevangelicalthings #exvangelical #kennethcopeland #covenantrider

Poster titled Covenant Rider with a gradient sky transitioning from deep blue at the top to warm orange near the horizon. Five silhouetted horseback riders move from left to right across the bottom of the image; one holds a long staff or spear. In the sky above them, a faint figure resembling Jesus appears, subtly integrated into the clouds and light.
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New email signoff: "Between Aslan's Paws"

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Profile picture Dr. Lucky Tran (@luckytran.com) reposted

Are the mRNA vaccines incredible? YES! Are the mRNA vaccines perfect? No. Have the mRNA vaccines saved millions of lives? YES! Can we make the mRNA vaccines even better? YES! Can we use mRNA vaccine technology to prevent and treat many other diseases? YES! Fund mRNA research!

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

I'm remembering why I love Aquinas so much.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

But internally, within its own conceptual structure, it holds. And as I took Tomโ€™s argument, he thinks it fails on its own terms. To me, the better argument is that omnipotence isn't incoherent, it's *monstrous*

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

For me, the heart of the matter is this: unless someone can show that omnipotence, understood in this framework, collapses on its own terms, then it remains coherent. There are broader critiques out there. Some might challenge the distinction itself or even question divine simplicity altogether.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

This breaks the circularity, since Godโ€™s power is not solely understood as โ€œGod can do whatever God does.โ€ I know that was a lot, and I appreciate you sticking with me.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

But, and hereโ€™s the key, in our minds, we conceptually distinguish power from will. Thatโ€™s the relation of reason Iโ€™ve mentioned. Conceptualizing power in this way allows us to consider Godโ€™s power as united w/ Godโ€™s will (ordained power), and also Godโ€™s absolute power encompassing all possibilty

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

This is why I mentioned there is no โ€œreal,โ€ ontological distinction between Godโ€™s power and will in Godโ€™s own being. This unity underpins what Aquinas calls Godโ€™s ordained power (potentia ordinata), Godโ€™s power as it relates to what God actually wills.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

But since, for Aquinas, Godโ€™s will is the cause of all things, doesnโ€™t that bring us back to the idea that Godโ€™s power is contained in the fact that God can do everything God does? And therefore, succumb to circularity?

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

For Aquinas, itโ€™s not just that God can do everything God does; itโ€™s that God can do everything that isnโ€™t a contradiction in terms.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

The reason this is relevant is that I was applying this to answer the charge of circularity. Aquinas notes, along with Oord, that just saying โ€œGod is omnipotent because God can do everything God doesโ€ is circular.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Those terms mark relations of reason, conceptual distinctions our intellects impose, without implying any real division in God. Just as โ€œleftโ€ vs โ€œrightโ€ names a purely mental orientation rather than two independent realities, so power and wisdom differ only in our apprehension not in Godโ€™s essence.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

These distinctions were applied to help make sense of divine simplicity. Classically, Godโ€™s power and will are not ontologically distinct; they are identical in Godโ€™s own being. Yet our finite minds grasp God only through effects in the world, so we speak of things like Godโ€™s mercy, power, or wisdom

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Drawing from Aristotle, the medieval thinkers noted that things can be related to each other in different ways. E.g., a parent and child have a real, ontological relationship with each other. But other things, like the concept of โ€œleftโ€ and โ€œright,โ€ are epistemological and related only in the mind

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Iโ€™m not trying to make โ€œrealโ€ do all the heavy lifting as if it solves the problem outright. What Iโ€™m pointing to is the way medieval thinkers used the distinction between real relations and relations of reason to navigate concepts like divine simplicity.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

For Tomโ€™s proposal to be compelling, I think he needs to show not only why it works, but why itโ€™s superior to other models of divine power, like omnipotence. Where I am less confident in his proposal is that omnipotence is incoherent. I confess to being a little puzzled by your objection

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Thanks for your pushback. Before I respond, I just want to get clear about what it is youโ€™re objecting to. Iโ€™m glad youโ€™re with Tom! I am too. At least, with his overall project of reframing divine power. What Tom is proposing is nothing less than a complete reframing of divine power.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

I agree! They're contained in the very definition of what a theodicy is. I just want to be clear about the sort of objection you're raising. It's not one of coherence, it's one of moral plausibility. That is, whether omnipotence can be reconciled with God's goodness and the scale of suffering.

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Today they tell me: If you do not love war, if you do not kill a dove a day, God will punish you If you give the poor ideas instead of a kiss, if you talk to them of justice instead of charity, God will punish you, God will punish you. Mamma, is that really our God? Juan Gonzalo Rose, La Pregunta

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A satirical church bulletin from The Simpsons shows Homer Simpson slumped in a pew, wearing a brown suit, white shirt, and black tie, appearing asleep or unconscious during a service. The top reads โ€œFirst Church of Springfield BULLETIN,โ€ and the bottom caption asks, โ€œJesus died for this?โ€
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

โ€œI have come to cast fire upon the earth, and how I wish it were already ablaze!" Luke 12:49, NRSVue

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Amen.

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

"And this has been allowed to continue because of the principles that underlie the way that we have formed our society. We're going to take a deep look at those principles and ask ourselves, Is this the society that we want? Or can we do better?" (12โ€“13).

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

"Critically challenging the police will lead us to discover some very difficult truths... one thing the police do consistently well is subjugate already marginalized communities. They interrupt the lives of Black, Indigenous, Latinx, brown, poor, queer, trans, and disabled people with regularity."

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I was raised to see police as "the good guys." But the witness of the wounded and the weight of history tells another story. As a minister, Iโ€™m called to challenge systems that oppress. *Defund* dares us to imagine justice beyond policing. @sandela.bsky.social @pantheonbooks.bsky.social #defund

Book cover of DEFUND: Black Lives, Policing, and Safety for All by Sandy Hudson. The design features bold typography over a red-to-orange gradient background. โ€œDEFUNDโ€ appears in dark red, โ€œBlack Lives, Policing,โ€ in yellow, and โ€œAnd Safety for Allโ€ in white. The authorโ€™s name is in white at the bottom left. The book rests on a wooden surface.
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Goodbye

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

I'm loving the slow burn!

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social)

Let's go! ๐Ÿ‘ฝ๐ŸŒŽ #alienearth

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

"What emerged in the mid-century media environment and expanded over the decades is a shadow realm of false histories and half-truths that uses the language of faith and family and caricatures of what a liberal is to exalt the category of 'real' Americans, to hell with everyone else" (7).

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

"The shadow part of the shadow gospel refers to the versions of conservatism and Christianity that have been conjured through anti-liberal messages..."

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

"In this book, we call the not-quite-religion on display the shadow gospel. The gospel part of the shadow gospel refers to eighty years of densely overlapping messages about a historically ungrounded, hyperbolized liberal devil..."

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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

Yes! Elizabeth A. Johnson, Truly Our Sister: A Theology of Mary in the Communion of Saints (New York: Continuum, 2006), 99.

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Raised in a charismatic church where liberalism was cast as demonic, *The Shadow Gospel* is both familiar and clarifying. Reveals how spiritual distortions and apocalyptic fervor fuel todayโ€™s war on democracy. Essential reading. @whitneyphillips.bsky.social @mitpress.bsky.social #theshadowgospel

Book cover of *The Shadow Gospel: How Anti-Liberal Demonology Possessed U.S. Religion, Media, and Politics* by Whitney Phillips and Mark Brockway. The design features stark white text on a black background, with red, flame-like demonic imagery at the bottom. The book rests on a wooden surface, evoking a sense of gravity and urgency.
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โ€œMaryโ€™s Assumption is a promise that the body, the earth, the oppressed, will not be left behind. She rises, not to escape, but to draw all creation into Godโ€™s embrace.โ€ โ€”Elizabeth A. Johnson Art: "Assumption" by Patricia Brintle #AssumptionOfMary #MarianArt #SacredArt

A silhouette of a woman with arms raised stands against a swirling blue background, wearing an orange garment and a flowing blue-and-white cloak. The figure evokes Mary in her Assumptionโ€”rising in dignity, wrapped in motion and mystery. The painting, signed by Patricia Brintle (2009), uses vibrant contrast to suggest divine uplift and cosmic embrace.
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Profile picture Chris Lilley โœ  ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ (@frostinthepines.bsky.social) reply parent

As far as your can of worms question about theodicy, I agree. In fact, I alluded to this in my conclusion and it's where I think Tom's view has the most theological purchase. I just was focused on the more narrow question of the coherence of qualified omnipotence.

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