No. Dems lost because they didn't talk like normal people and the only message the VAST majority of people got about them was from Republicans. Their only channel was the Sunday shows. This is the right strategy, let's see if they can execute.
No. Dems lost because they didn't talk like normal people and the only message the VAST majority of people got about them was from Republicans. Their only channel was the Sunday shows. This is the right strategy, let's see if they can execute.
No. Dems lost because white people, who vote majority GOP every election since the civil rights act (guess why), will sacrifice their own rights to uphold white supremacy. EVERY other demo got Dem messaging just fine and fully supported the extremely qualified and progressive candidate.
Quit criticizing Democrats. Full Stop + Period + Thank a Democrat for: SS, Unions, Healthcare, Equal Rights, Medicare, SNAP, freedom of religion, Education, LGBTQ Rights, Climate control, USAID, NIH, EPA, Affirmative Action, Veterans Rights, low drug costs, Infrastructure improvement, Libraries...
why not both
Plenty to criticize them for, but our criticisms should be prioritized.
not a single democrat now did any of that
dems are a bunch of spineless, genocide supporting mfs
"Stop criticizing what current Democrats are doing now in the fascism and thank them for what previous Democrats did decades ago"
Its shitlib talk like this that makes me want to just link them to the East German song "Die Partei, Die Partei, Die hat immer recht!". As you cohld probably sort of guess, that's "The Party, The Party, [it] is always right!"
no
Not saying we shouldn't criticize anybody. We should always expect more. We should be realistic though. There's zero chance of universal healthcare without 60 votes in the Senate, presidency, and 218 representatives in the house
“We hAvE tO TwEaK tHe MeSsAgInG!”
If Cuomo and Mamdani had the exact same policies, would you have a hard time deciding who to vote for?
If your mother had wheels, would she be a bicycle?
You guys really are good at creating a coalition
Anyone with a results based outlook is going to be at odds with the DNC since 1996. Let's not rewrite history and think the Obama nomination and the direct funding model was something that leadership was happy about in the moment.
I don't know how that has anything to do with what I was talking about
That's a big part of the problem, yes! If you can't see the alienation of the big tent approach and who the Democratic base actually is, if you don't realize the actual impact of turnout that centrist policies diminish, you aren't speaking towards victory. You're just another roadblock.
I'm not against that. But if people campaign more like Mamdani, they will be more likely to win. Regardless of their policies. Policy matters, but showing you are listening to people and actually care about them, that means a lot more in my opinion.
That too is supporting platforms that target an electoral population that cannot prove any more solidly that it does not exist and should be soundly rejected.
People love Donald Trump, they don't love his policies
I think you have way too high an opinion of the average voter. Only 1/3 of the people in this country can name their senators and Rep. Most people had no clue what Trump or Harris were actually running on. If they did, they would not have voted for project 2025.
Found another one.
excluding every minority group from the party is abhorrent and bigoted. they didn’t even fucking try to cut through republican media. what the hell happened to the $1 billion harris got
Excluding what minority groups? Harris is a black woman.
I don't really feel like Harris was really backing up Mexican descended people either.
In what way? Was she promising to deport them like Trump?
her immigration policy was identical to trump 1
Please show your work on this one
bro just look up her immigration policy it wasn’t in any way progressive. she didn’t even want to defund ICE
Yes, thank God Trump is president. He's been so much better for the left. You guys nailed this one, great job.
democrats should stop doing right wing shit then 🤷
You know, Kamala would not have made a war on trans people right? All this resulted from Trump winning.
trans people are facing segregation and genocide and democrats are too cowardly to defend us
there are more minority groups than black women, and it’s disgusting to play to harris’s status while others are being flat out ignored by the democratic party. and i am not debating this, abandoning minority groups is abhorrent snd bigoted
I think some centrist Dems have been weak on this for sure and I hope you are ok
she is a robot
How about the Arabs that Harris deployed Zionists to fingerwag about supporting Israel to? Iirc Richie Torres literally said like “we only need people in our route to victory who are devoted to the security of Israel” to voters, lmao.
> Dems lost because they didn't talk like normal people What would be an example of this?
Have you ever listened to a Democrat? They sound like robots following a script supplied by a consultant that looked at polling. They should say what they think and say it with conviction. There are a few that do, and they are getting a little better, but they should stop calling things distractions
Some do, some do not, why I asked you for a specific example. The whole "distraction" stuff is coming from the same consultants that are doing this "dark money" deal. You seem a bit confused about that.
man i just want healthcare
Democrats aren't your problem there. Need 60 senators to vote for that. There's only 47 Ds right now.
Don't need 60 votes if Democrats use 50 votes to get rid of an archaic Senate rule that sets an impossible barrier in an archaic legislative branch that gives too much power to low population red states.
That is a totally fair argument actually. And they should absolutely consider that. I will actually be surprised if Republicans don't do it first. On the other hand, they will just do whatever they want, leave it in place, and then Ds will follow the rules.
Republicans have already gotten rid of the filibuster for anything they care about (Judicial appointments). They'll do it again if they ever actually needed to pass something they couldn't jam into an omnibus bill and for once "moderate" Democrats couldn't be bullied into caving.
Lol Democrat will never, ever, have 60 senators again
Oh my god people still believe that line lmaoooo
What are you spending your $8k on?
Ha, ok. That's kind of funny. I'm living in reality though and don't expect universal healthcare to part of the Democrat's platform. I would actually be pretty annoyed if it was, because there is zero chance of it happening. At least in the short term future.
not with that attitude
So your theory is that Dems need to get their message out and that will motivate people to vote for them, but the message is "We're not going to do anything to improve your lives"
Kamala had things to improve people's lives. Biden improved people's lives. There is more work to do, but letting fascists win elections won't get any of that done.
It's too bad that threatening people is not a viable strategy to win elections! But hey do the same thing that lost to Trump twice, I'm sure it'll work if you just keep trying it over and over
I'm moving to Canada. You guys can figure this out.
Hey if enough of the "Let's settle for the Reagan Republican because anyone is better than Trump" people leave maybe we can actually get a good Democratic candidate for once! And actually win an election!
No. You won't. People like me, who would vote for Bernie or Zohran, are your allies. I am just very firmly against fascists. And if people are willing to allow fascism, then we've lost the plot.
My God. Just be happy that you got Trump elected.
I mean you can bitch and whine all you want, the policies of the Dems last time led 90 million people to stay home You think doing the same thing that keeps losing but threatening people harder will somehow win this time Spoiler: It won't Run another empty husk and lose yet again
I have no idea WTF you're talking about
Is $96k annual enough to afford the good healthcare?
Even if we had 60 Democrat senators they wouldn't give anyone health care because that upsets their billionaire owners. Also fuck you for not wanting UHC. You're basically a Republican and why everyone hates liberals
dems lied to you for you to believe that
why didnt they run on that though?
I just dont know why you're so quick to blame messaging when there were so many things lacking in their platform
Because nobody could look at the Trump platform and Harris platform and pick Trump's. Only about a third of Americans can name their representatives in Congress. Politics is about vibes and Harris wasn't able to reach enough people.
okay this is too stupid bye
You live in a bubble.
You realize that like a majority of people looked at the Trump platform and the Harris platform and picked Trump, right
The majority of people liked listening to Trump on the bro podcasts and the influence machine they built on Tiktok and other social media. Project 2025 was wildly unpopular and he got elected anyway.
Yes; the majority saw Kamala’s platform and went “actually we prefer not having Bidenomics again, especially since we only voted for Biden in the first place because of Covid and because he made deals with left-wing politicians and said he would prosecute Trump, none of which apply for Kamala”
The economy was very good when Biden left office. That's part of the messaging problem.
It wasn’t; and even if it was, then that wasn’t being felt by enough Americans that “actually the economy is good right now” becomes a bad platform to run on.
Dems lost because they offered Republican Lite to the masses and allowed the elites within the Dem party to select the Presidential nominee. That's why they lost. Bullshit Republican Lite. America is done with this idiocy. All of the rallies I have been to, people are not talking about centrist
or establishment policies, they are talking about AOC and Bernie Sanders. They are talking about Universal Health Care. Trump has pulled down the curtain. We now know we can afford Universal Health Care like all of the other developed countries. We are not going back to the way it was before.
The people that go to rallies are about 0.01% of the population