But my problem is that they don't appear to have a plan other than 'Vote for us for more of the same'. I fear what it will take to wake them up is a collapse at the polling booths. 2/2
But my problem is that they don't appear to have a plan other than 'Vote for us for more of the same'. I fear what it will take to wake them up is a collapse at the polling booths. 2/2
Or maybe that will wake up indy voters, you won't get independence or even a chance to fight for it if you don't vote for a party that supports it. What strategy are you wanting handed to you by what new Messiah (Stephen Flynn?) Maybe a fairy godmother will magic up a party...
...you can all get behind 100% but I'll not be holding my breath. You all seem to be looking at politics as something others do for you, where parties have to win your backing and your only role is to put an X in a box. If enough of you follow this course we'll be talking about independence forever
Don't get me wrong. I'll vote for them. They are the political arm of independence and they're the only only route to get there. But it's not unreasonable to ask for a plan to achieve the number one objective.
No, it's not unreasonable but what realistically can they say? If it was me I'd be saying when enough folk vote for independence we'll get it, I just think it's unrealistic to expect a quick or easy solution which will never please everyone anyway. If we want the SNP to be in a position to...
They could start by saying *something*, rather than almost totally avoiding actually campaigning for independence. Hamilton by-election shows (imho) that if they carry on as now their voters won't turn out. And here are a few simple things they *could* be doing but aren't - bsky.app/profile/indy...
Colin, I have great respect for the work you do and it's good we can have this discussion (again!) publicly to debate the issue rather than just turning on each other. You say the SNP can a) "Push independence at every opportunity, in every debate, in every by-election". I have seen/heard them..
But they barely mentioned the issue during the Hamilton by-election. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 8000+ SNO voters didn’t vote.
.. do this consistently but it's rarely reported - I think this is part of the ignore the SNP campaign led by Westminster and allowing them to focus on what they want to talk about, also has a way to sow division & discontent among indy supporters. b) Promote (and fund if possible) a huge,
real and dynamic new equivalent of ‘Yes’ campaign" It is unrealistic to expect the SNP to fund a movement outside the party, a grassroots movement needs to be funded by ordinary people and appeal to all voters not just SNP supporters. A movement like BiS has the freedom to campaign and speak out
Didn’t SNP fund Yes org in 2013/14?
They contributed - "Yes Scotland said more than 7,000 small donors had contributed about £112,000 since campaigning began in May 2012. A further £1,283,000 came from five individual donors and the SNP contributed £342,797." (BBC) - but haven't the same backing or funds now
in ways the SNP can't, and I think there would be an outcry if the SNP did take charge of such a movement c) Throw every obstacle possible in front of WM’s governing Scotland. Make it as hard as they can for WM to manage Scotland. Could you give some examples please? I'm not sure what they could do
Here’s a proposal Craig Dalzell wrote several years ago based on Common Weal’s opposition document. Seems to have been overlooked or ignored. Looks like a very good place to have started 5 years ago :0) thecommongreen.scot/2020/07/06/t...
without the unionist parties ganging up against them giving Westminster a chance to step in and overrule decisions as has happened in Ireland. I think JS's decision to pick his battles is a wise one when you think of the cost of previous battles
..negotiate for independence we need to give them our backing, instead of this incessant I'll vote if plan a happens but not for plan b, or for this person but not that. That just weakens any negotiation stance, exactly what the unionists hope for. Divide & rule is a very real tactic I believe
Agree 💯 Not voting for the independence party that has the greatest chance of success is wasting your vote and, in the minds of unionists, signals the end of an appetite for independence. A strong turn out for SNP is our best chance.