one of the great conservative moves over the past decade has been to make themselves so unpleasant that their own family members are forced to cut them off, and then use that fact to argue that *liberals* are too uncivil
one of the great conservative moves over the past decade has been to make themselves so unpleasant that their own family members are forced to cut them off, and then use that fact to argue that *liberals* are too uncivil
Makes me think of how Trump successfully put himself beyond the reach of law by preemptively making enemies of all judges and then declaring they were biased and couldn't judge him.
Look what you made me do part 1939585929
Why does my family hate me I only told me sister and mom they’re second class citizens and my gay brother he is an abomination and made wildly racist jokes
I think it’s amazing because they don’t seem to think that being racist or being sexist or being homophobic is enough to cut someone off. And they generally can’t understand why someone in one of those sub groups would want to cut them off for that.
If you are, or care for someone who is LGBT, there is one party eager to villainize them and take away their rights. There's no negotiation; I'm not allowing a member of that party to associate and pretend it's all okay.
I no longer speak to some family members, because they've made clear that although they feel I'm "One of the good ones," other people who look like me should be regarded as deportation fodder unless proven otherwise
yeah I didn't cut my brother and cousins off because we disagreed on politics I cut them off because they were horrendous dickheads to be around and also openly racist despite me repeatedly calling it out as shitty. so.
but yeah you know what their political views, which are also horrible, were reflective of that, so if that's what pollsters want to pinpoint, sure.
My conservative mom stopped speaking to me in 2019 when I gently pushed back on inviting 15 members of her husband’s family who I hadn’t seen in 20 years to my wedding. I didn’t even say no, I just said hey I need to talk to the venue & figure out the budget of adding 15 more people.
2020 rolls around, covid happens & she doesn’t reach out. I cancel my wedding, still nothing. 2020 turns into 2021 turns into 2022 & suddenly she’s telling my sister she doesn’t understand why I stopped talking to her.
This is the kind of shit these people pull. It’s never their fault. My life is more peaceful without her so 🤷🏻♀️.
They act like stoners...their world ends at their nose, man.
Conservatives love to cut off family members for not sharing their politics lol does this guy think evangelicals don’t estrange lgbtq relatives
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It's one of the main causes of the current backlash against lgbtq+ and another reason why they hate cities. People in red states don't hate Chicago because of crime. They hate Chicago because that's where their lgbtq+ child moved to.
One of my daughter's high school friend's parents told her they'd kick her out unless she voted for trump. They wouldn't even let her not vote. Mail ballots. They watched her fill it out to make sure. Wonder how they'd have answered the question.
Maga fam of mine almost flipped over a table in a restaurant because another family member leveled mild criticism of trump. Didn't say he'd quit speaking to her but made it clear that conflicting viewpoints would result in a giant public scene.
How utterly unAmerican.
I know this poll is bullshit not just because the idea of squeamish liberals cutting anyone off is laughable but the third party voters are the loudest most cantankerous people everywhere
"Source: The Argument". Well, there's your problem.
It’s a cult.
This reminds me of being accused of sexual assault. Some people are more afraid of being falsely accused of sexual assault then they are of being assaulted. I wonder how many of these people regret having to cut vs are angry that they have BEEN cut.
Classic narcissist move: violate social norms until someone pushes back and now that someone is the one being rude. The "who started it" game always favors the aggressor.
Definitely a touch of narcissism in my mom's case. I think she enjoyed the attention of being outrageously rightwing and the fantasy that she belonged to the powerful elite. A retired librarian, ffs.
like, did that 75% of total respondents even consider for one second "you wouldn't find it acceptable to cut off a family member for being a swastika wearing nazi?"
Conservatives never feel like they need to cut off family because they typically get their way politically and often have the ability to force liberal family members to follow their principles!
Also just the asymmetry of their views. Conservative views are about taking away people’s extremely fundamental rights and being racist to outgroups and liberal views are just, like, you have to pay more in taxes.
The taxes we paid into Australian Medicare for a family of five people cost us less than the price of our current US policy that covers just two people. So more taxes doesn’t even necessarily mean more money spent.
They expect us to accept their “trust the market” capitalist trash at face value, while pretending it isn’t prioritizing “delivering value to shareholders” at every step of every process AU public health definitely isn’t perfect but I’ll take it over corporatized care 100 out of 100 times
Another point is that there's actually a vast amount of general inefficiency in America excepting federal that's considered a topic you can't talk about save for "why does it cost so much to get anything done?!" Example: Platform doors costing $7 billion. www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/new-yor...
You wouldn't believe the redundancy in medical provider licensing, agency after agency reduplicating the same information, states, insurance companies, hospitals. And yet sociopath still occasionally practice for years causing great harm. Continual bureacratic rent seeking.
The Elizabeth Line cost £19 billion, and that was a whole line, including new stations many which had platform doors, and that was after the fact including overruns. The main complaint I heard is the sterile architecture. What gives? @buddhaferret.bsky.social @mediawarrior.bsky.social
Also I can't believe they had to cite "crime" to justify platform doors.
The Liz line has been wildly successful too, I hear
Are they extremely paranoid-ly engineered out of fear of problems/lawsuits? I saw somewhere else on here recently that the whole NYPD budget was $2B which is outrageously big 3.5x that on doors???
They just dont shut up.
I have been blocked by several family members on social media, And I am much more civil with them them strangers. MAGA hates to be corrected is my take away.
When a system is based on eternal compromises and there's no red lines to be drawn, then you end up in a situation where an exploit is opened. @buddhaferret.bsky.social @mediawarrior.bsky.social
Disfellowshipping is a biblically sanctioned method of bringing sinners to repentance. Not sure it works but it’s more civilized than some other approaches.
It’s the Christian way, play the victim, then blame your actual victims for crying foul. It’s why the douchebag man o sphere is an ally
“Ever” leaves a lot to the imagination. You can see how a blood and soil alignment might be more likely to say “never”
I also think on some level they know some of their values are repugnant, and therefore project onto society that someone shouldn’t be cut off for such views
I’m a MAGA orphan and I hate that I’ve lost my family to the cult.
I cut off my family and my friends. Nothing like finding out your family is full of racists the day after an election.
"Look what you made me do" is a mantra for them.
Every time I see another article, post, or just whatever decrying the poor, hard done by modern conservative I think of every story I've ever heard from a queer friend raised by a right-winger. I don't know how my trans friend whose brother is an officer in FedSoc does it.
Not a lgbt issue, but... My mom went hard right as she aged. Turns out some of it was a symptom of oncoming dementia. She lost some friendships. I struggled with calling her, avoided holidays at home, and moved far away. Now she's in care being terrified by Fox News to which she's still addicted.
I'm so sorry :(
Nah it is that they put hurting others (being impleasant) so high up on their priority they’ll do it in priority OVER losing their family — They don’t care about the other people themselves They need victims When they’re alone, they can’t go into their harm frenzy on their family like they need
We live too far from in-laws for regular visits, but each of the last 3x we or they have managed the long trip, I've heard at least 1 slur entering a conversation (& in front of kids!). But it's "disrespectful" when my partner argues back against their ">>>>>>>>>>>>>" email forwards 😖
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Anytime I hear this I immediately bring up the fact that the majority of homeless teens are kids who are kicked out of their homes by their parents for coming out as LGBT. Weird how conservatives don't have a problem disowning their own children over THOSE politics...
Conservatives have no agency—they just react "appropriately" to what's happening, but that's never their doing/fault/responsibility.
Conservative parent: *kicks child out for being gay* Other, straight child: I'm going no-contact with you bc you are a hateful bigot and vote based on your bigotry Conservative parent: *to straight child* how could you do this to your family...😭😭😭
I knew someone who kicked their disabled kid out for sharing one of my Facebook posts. One of their other kids has an immune disorder and an untreated brain issue. Vaccinating their kids during COVID was too political for them, but they could send their sick kid out to cosplay for money.
To those people, the kid’s queerness is political (and anyone or anything that implied to them that queerness exists is political), and their rejection of their own children was an apolitical act.
Yeah my mind immediately went here too, I'm assuming they must be doing some kind of mental gymnastics where this kind of thing "doesn't count" because it falls under the umbrella of parenting and of course parents are gods and how dare their children defy them by thinking incorrectly and so on
Don't get me started on parents' rights...
They would also absolutely pick, “I would never cut anyone out of my life for politics” for a poll option while simultaneously texting their children that they’re dead to them because they didn’t vote Trump. It’s not as if these people have scruples.
Lmao yeah pretty much
guy who pisses himself voice) "the real problem in society is people are too sensitive about piss"
I went to go see an uncle for the holidays after six years or so of not seeing him and all I remember him talking about was trans people in sports and how it affected his kid's chance at the big leagues (none of them are or will ever be professional athletes)
I cannot speak with my MIL without her saying gross and dehumanizing things about trans folks, because she knows my closest family and friends are trans and it will get a rise out of me. And then she insists there’s “hate on both sides”— yeah, we fucking hate bullies and bigots. Ya got me, ma’am
They also thrive on friends and family putting up with their bullshit at the dinner table.
But we all know freedom of speech means conservatives get to argue constantly for excluding all groups different from themselves from public society while everyone around them is prohibited from any disagreement and forced to continue spending time with them.
If I recall correctly involuntary estranged parent forums are notorious for being full of whiny abusers upset they can't control their children.
Exactly this. There is a very strong “estranged [narcissist/etc] parent to conservative” pipeline
Just another flavor of involuntary whatever among em.
Nextsdoor?
Issendai’s essays are a classic in this space
I'm halfway through reading this and I want to thank you for posting this.
But it's not simply holding different political views. Being able to justify voting for Donald Trump once, twice, even three times says a lot about a person generally, does it not? Like the road rager - "He's not at all like that when he's not driving" is usually a lie.
"Well, you think my trans friends are less than human, don't deserve rights, and should get molested so YOU can decide where they can use the bathroom, so yeah I don't think I wanna hang out with you, Aunt Judy." "SEE, HE'S BEING SO UNREASONABLE!"
Opposing political views is disagreeing about whether it’s worth closing the local library to pay a bit less tax. This stuff is your parents voting in a way that actively harms you, having having had it explained to them why they shouldn’t do it, seeing the consequences, and still voting that way.
I’ve always had to walk on eggshells around my sister. Last time I talked to her I mentioned that I was considering a trip to Miami, thinking that was a safe subject. Her response was “there are too many Mexicans there”. I’m done. I’m tired.
*most viscerally unpleasant person you can imagine* people are too sensitive these days
I'm pretty sure this is the exact same tactic used by cults and the more weirdo religions to isolate their followers from the rest of society.
“Losers cutoff who they can. Players cutoff who they want.”
It’s one thing to be for/against a proposal to raise sales tax to fund parks or something. It’s a completely different question when you’re arguing about putting people on SSRIs in camps. Like even the framing of the question is horrifyingly reductionist.
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"Following crashes between bikes and cars on roads where both are mixed in together, bikers are much more likely than drivers to support physically separated bike lanes" level of surprise in this poll
Fuck MAGAts. Signed, A child of MAGAts
Asking Trump voters if it’s okay to cut someone off is like asking viruses if they’re pro-vaccine.
No, its for everything you say to lack any meaning. Any invective, any demand, any statement of absolute moral clarity...its always one, big weapon and nothing else. They weaponized reality against us, wielding illusions, and the people guarding us have chosen to act as the weapons were flowers.
We stopped talking to an uncle because he managed to bring up right-wing talking points in every conversation. Nice weather? Climate change is a hoax. I drive a hybrid? Electric cars are more harmful to the environment. He is so broken that most of the family has stopped talking to him.
MAGA are literally disease carriers and not safe to have around vulnerable people
the loser energy of it is remarkably impressive. they are the victims at every length scale, even and especially when they have all 3 branches of government.
Well, they support fascism, cruelty, racism, ignorance, etc. We support a cleaner environment, human rights, personal freedom unless it hurts others, a better health-care system, workers rights, the ultra wealthy paying their fair share, etc. So yeah, there's good reason for this.
“Consequences for my own actions are an infringement on my rights” is a load bearing part of the platform at this point
And it is, indeed, bearing quite a load of...something. Hint: it smells bad.
Swamp gas
For me, illusion. For you, an army.
The only family member I've lost touch with was an uncle, who blocked my brother and I after getting pissed that we gave as good as we got to some friend being an asshole toward us. Our attitude was "ok that's fine fuck you too" but I'm sure he misremembers this as us cutting him out of our lives.
I’ve said this before but my first serious girlfriend voted for McCain when I voted for Obama and we laughed about it. I have very good friends who voted for Romney. I’m not intolerant of normal political difference, I’m intolerant of fascism. Not my fault the other party embraced it!
I'm having a particularly hard time accepting the orange toad stool as a rational choice, or a choice made by rational and/or ethical persons. After the first go around, After project 2025. After the insurrection and rape conviction. Just to much of a strain.
I don't know how to tell you this but the "binders full of women" guy was literally just another step towards MAGA Republicans have ALWAYS been the party of racism and homophobia
Yeah he sucked which is why I didn’t vote for him. But he’s obviously orders of magnitude less bad than the current lot.
No he's just as bad. They're all just as bad.
A shame. But, one has to draw the line at a complete lack of empathy, curiosity, respect, and ethical behaviour. When they go through something tough alone is the find out phase.
Yeah framing it as "Harris voters are more likely to disown family over politics" is just ignoring causation in favor of correlation. Do ya think it's something inherent to Harris support, or maybe that every Trump supporter on earth has deliberately made insufferability their defining attribute?
Its more to do with regional, seasonal gas blend transitions.
Conservatives love (need?) a captive audience
Too many insecure, morally vacant fucksticks using the term “political views” for cover for supporting a rapist felon racist pedophile racist lying piece of shit.
To the people who say they just want to be left alone: enjoy!
I know a LOT of people who've cut off their conservative parents or who plan to when they're safe to do so. None of the parents were chill and reasonable people who had a great, supportive relationship apart from the politics. Basically nobody goes No Contact without a really good reason.
I don’t think it’s a great idea to cut off friends or family b/c of their political views. I do think it’s a good idea to avoid discussing politics w/ them. I have a family member who voted for Trump in 2016 & 2020. He did this solely b/c he wanted his taxes lowered. Don’t think he voted in 2024.
Well then where’s the consequences of deliberately and with malice of forethought acting in a way that harms others? Or maybe you don’t care about the people that they are harming?
Confining the poll to "political views" is odd. Is identity counted? Do conservatives who cut off contact with gay family members consider that to be a political view?
My guess is probably not, which is a pretty big hole in this line of questioning.
would be interested in what percentage of right wingers think disowning your child for being, e.g., trans is totally fine
My Trump loving uncle loudly and proudly would say if either of his children had been gay he would pray for them but cut them out entirely. Being trans would have been even worse.
That’s not a political disagreement though. A political disagreement is when your uppity daughter that you hate won’t call you on Thanksgiving because you insist on blaring OAN into the phone
Not just fine but *non-political*
What percent don’t know they drove them off?
Not sure on the percentage, but from personal experience, they say it's done "with love."
there are a fair amount of normie conservatives (and "liberals") who would get over themselves for the sake of their kids, but the percentage that are deadset against it are loudest & leading the party.
to the point its very likely there are people with family *they* accept but, due to quirks of right wing exceptionalism, they might also strongly politically oppose queer/trans everything (e.g. "my situation is different")
then of course that dissonance can also bleed through into the relationship enough that its not nearly as civil & accepting as they perceive themselves
Many of them view their trans child as the person who killed their child. So to them it’s not even disowning.
same percentage that believe their children are their property
I think it's your initial scenario all over again: when confronted with a trans family member, the conservative makes themselves so unbearably unpleasant that it's impossible to be around them. Then when they are cut off they blame the trans person. That's my experience.
There needs to be a snappy name for the idea that it is consistent to accept everyone who accepts everyone (meaning if you want to kill or reduce the rights of others, you're out). Until then, it's far too easy for them to say that liberals are like Nazis because neither will accept the other.
does "the paradox of tolerance" (as in, the social contract) not suffice?
My MAGA Dad disowned me because I got a PhD 🤷♀️.
Most of my queer friends' experience with this type of thing isn't being disowned (though that still happens) but parents being so unpleasant about being queer that they give the children no choice but to cut them off.
This is usually how it works. The really fun part is when we get told we’re exaggerating it by near complete strangers for the rest of our lives.
I honestly think this is a strategy. Shitty parents probably would prefer to cut off their kids but I suspect the churches are telling them not to, both to deprive us of that sympathetic backstory and so they can go on tiktok and whine about how terrible their kids are.
and if they do they might not even consider that "political"! awful polling/framing/conclusions here
My grandparents thought this, changed their mind and proceeded to be disowned by the very family member they had tried to disown. Pretty much only my brother and dad talk to them at this point
Probably fewer than you'd think! The stereotype of RW parents is throwing a kid out of the house for being queer, but the reality, I think, is that they'd rather have the kid at home where they can yell at, abuse, gaslight, belittle, cut them off from friends and support. It's all about control.
Mumsnet and other message boards for abusive parents of queer kids are full of posts where parents unintentionally reveal how miserable they made their own children, then get in a self-righteous huff when the child in question goes no-contact. Zero self-awareness.
RWers *must* be the victim at all times; even when they're the aggressor, it's always "Look what you made me do."
Even? More like especially when they're the aggressor.
"That's not political, Peter!!!"
I would also like to see this same list but change the question to religion, because a huge part of my conservative family cut me off for not being Christian anymore.
Another important factor here: religious conservatives typically don't see a lot of things as "political". In their view, supporting trans people isn't wrong, it's evil. Opposing gay marriage isn't politics it's upholding the natural order according to God.
They don't have a difference of opinion, they are righteous in their belief and will use violence to uphold that if needed. That's why we can't compromise with them. There's no "reaching across the aisle" to pure hatred and a desire to eliminate you and everyone you care about.
They worship a god they would kill