have you considered that it was Harris who fractured the party with her choice to go against the 77% of Dem voters who said they wanted to stop sending weapons to Israel?
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Delusional. Thank you for showing us who you are.
aug 27, 2025, 12:08 am • 1 0 • view
aug 27, 2025, 1:35 am • 0 0 • view
If the party was fractured, who did the anti Kamala people vote for, and why?
aug 26, 2025, 11:49 pm • 3 0 • view
was the party fractured or not?
aug 27, 2025, 12:06 am • 0 0 • view
Depends who the anti Kamala people voted for. Who did they vote for?
aug 27, 2025, 12:33 am • 0 0 • view
No idea. I voted for her
aug 27, 2025, 12:40 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah, I think Harris was wrong on that, but Trump was FAR MORE WRONG on every aspect of the Palestinian situation. And he’s horribly wrong on countless other issues. None of us get our perfect candidates on the ballot. Our task is to make the best choice available. …
aug 26, 2025, 11:51 pm • 3 0 • view
Voters who stayed home or pissed away their votes on 3rd party candidates with no chance of winning share the blame for EVERY fucking thing Trump had done so far and will do in this term. They COULD have prevented it, but foolishly chose not to.
aug 26, 2025, 11:53 pm • 5 0 • view
sure, yes, they do share the blame. I agree. but ignoring the big thing dem politicians should learn from this, seems like a foolish way to win future elections. but thank you for at least understanding what I've said here. amazing how so many can't even grasp it
aug 26, 2025, 11:58 pm • 1 0 • view
I agree with your point … to a point. I also think that candidates and leaders should follow their conscience, not twist in the winds of public opinion. But public opinion SHOULD give them cause to reevaluate their beliefs. …
aug 27, 2025, 12:19 am • 0 0 • view
What I DON’T know on this case is whether Harris was following her conscience or her donors. The latter is the worst approach.
aug 27, 2025, 12:19 am • 1 0 • view
ehh disagree on the differences between them on gaza genocide. but yeah massive massive differences on pretty much every other issue. and yeah everyone who didn't vote for her made a big big mistake.
aug 26, 2025, 11:59 pm • 1 0 • view
Harris stated that she wanted the fighting to stop so “Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination.” Trump has literally said he wants to raze Gaza and build resorts there. I personally think that’s worse.
aug 27, 2025, 12:24 am • 2 0 • view
Yeah agree but I’m thinking policy not mere rhetoric
aug 27, 2025, 12:37 am • 0 0 • view
On that, we van only speculate, but if Biden’s record is any predictor, he was also far better than Trump on it.
aug 27, 2025, 12:44 am • 0 0 • view
I’m not seeing that policy wise
aug 27, 2025, 12:45 am • 0 0 • view
Not on sending arms to Israel, but on providing humanitarian aid, pushing for Israel’s withdrawal from populated areas, etc. …
aug 27, 2025, 12:55 am • 0 0 • view
Don’t get me wrong. Biden should have pressured Israel to stop their gradual takeover of Palestinian lands from the outset, and should have cut off all aid to Israel the moment they transitioned from defending themselves, to genocide. But even so Trump has been worse,
aug 27, 2025, 12:55 am • 2 0 • view
Not only that, but remember that blimp that caught fire way back when? That’s right: It was Harris!
aug 26, 2025, 11:39 pm • 2 0 • view
love this response.
aug 26, 2025, 11:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Letting Trump win because she didn’t say that was utterly asinine.Now look what we are going through.
aug 27, 2025, 12:50 am • 1 0 • view
I agree that everyone should have voted for her.
aug 27, 2025, 1:42 am • 0 0 • view
Um... Let me see if I understand this... You think that Democrats decided to vote against someone who had at least expressed support for the Gazans and vote FOR someone who wanted to get rid of all the Gazans and turn the strip into a resort?
aug 27, 2025, 8:44 pm • 0 0 • view
It sounds like you're saying that you don't believe Gaza cost Harris the election and you don't place the blame for the election loss on those who were against genocide. Is that correct?
aug 27, 2025, 8:46 pm • 0 0 • view
Congrats on your work getting Trump elected. What’s your favorite part of his dystopia?
aug 26, 2025, 11:35 pm • 23 0 • view
Congrats to you. You did it
aug 27, 2025, 12:14 am • 0 0 • view
🎯
aug 27, 2025, 12:02 am • 1 0 • view
You don’t get it Kat
aug 27, 2025, 12:14 am • 0 0 • view
We all hear you. You assume those of us who voted Harris agreed with her on Gaza. You're wrong. I didn't agree on Gaza, but I voted for her. We're just responsible enough to know that one of two people was going to win and we'd better choose between the better of those two options.
aug 27, 2025, 11:57 am • 5 0 • view
F - yeah. 👍
aug 27, 2025, 11:58 am • 0 0 • view
I’m a Jewish American and a strong supporter of peaceful Israelis & Palestinians but I live in objective reality, and I don’t know anyone who likes what’s going on there. Being pro-Israel & pro Netanyahu are not the same thing. They’ve got a really effed up govt. help ourselves to help them.
aug 27, 2025, 12:06 pm • 3 0 • view
No you don’t hear me. You clearly did not understand what I said at all. I voted for Harris. Everyone should’ve voted for Harris. That doesn’t mean she didn’t make strategic errors. Two things can be true at the same time. This is not that hard to understand
aug 27, 2025, 2:19 pm • 0 0 • view
Sure two things can be true, like... Kamala's position on Gaza is bad. Trump's position on Gaza and everything else is worse.
aug 27, 2025, 2:27 pm • 3 0 • view
And specifically: 1. Anyone who didn’t vote for Harris made a bad and foolish strategic error. 2. Harris made a bad and foolish strategic error when she went against the opinion of 77% of her voters. Do you see how both of those can be true?
aug 27, 2025, 2:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Sure.
aug 27, 2025, 3:23 pm • 1 0 • view
You have no idea.
aug 27, 2025, 12:19 am • 1 0 • view
Fair enough.
aug 27, 2025, 12:37 am • 0 0 • view
Just admit that you support Trump.
aug 26, 2025, 11:38 pm • 0 0 • view
just admit you do. I want to win. you think going against your base is the way to win? for fuck's sake. at least learn from the mistake
aug 26, 2025, 11:39 pm • 0 0 • view
And, exactly, how's this working out for those who stayed home and let Trump get elected, hmmmmm? Pretty sure she would have done something different than encouraging Bibi to "finish the job."
aug 26, 2025, 11:38 pm • 9 0 • view
and exactly how did Harris's choice to go against an overwhelming majority of Dem voters work out? hmmm? hope it was worth it! ps - I voted for Harris. difference between us is I actually cared more about winning than sending Israel weapons.
aug 26, 2025, 11:40 pm • 1 0 • view
“I voted for Harris”
aug 26, 2025, 11:48 pm • 1 0 • view
mmhmm now just making things up. why would I lie about that? I've said it dozens and dozens of times on this app
aug 27, 2025, 12:09 am • 0 0 • view
Because you’re echoing the “cut off Israel” of the “they’re the same” crowd. Moreover, it’s just stunning how they all just disappeared
aug 27, 2025, 12:11 am • 0 0 • view
She lost the election. At he same time, the people you excuse for not coming out to vote have lost everything as it relates to Gaza. Thousands of innocents are sitting in Alligator Alcatraz. And you may well have lost your democracy. But at least they can sit in their gulag and say they were right.
aug 26, 2025, 11:50 pm • 5 0 • view
I'm not excusing them! Everyone should've voted for her despite her bad choices! no question about that. it was v foolish to not voting for her. but you seem to not want to learn anything from this. you don't want to win. you'd rather pout. this is why dems keep losing.
aug 26, 2025, 11:52 pm • 0 0 • view
You don't get it. Many of us have been through more than one or two elections. 537 people in Florida could have prevented the Iraq war. Only one of two people will win the presidency. We're tired of people ruining everything because the better candidate isn't perfect. There's always some issue.
aug 27, 2025, 12:07 pm • 2 0 • view
Read what I wrote again
aug 27, 2025, 2:17 pm • 0 0 • view
The lesson to be learned is that no candidate will be 100%.
aug 27, 2025, 2:26 pm • 1 0 • view
Whew. You are still missing the point. But yes I agree with that statement.
aug 27, 2025, 2:37 pm • 0 0 • view
I really do hear what you're saying. All things being equal, it's not a good idea to be opposite 77% of your base. I agree. All things were not equal however and that's the point you're missing.
aug 27, 2025, 3:22 pm • 1 0 • view
No I am not missing it.
aug 27, 2025, 3:47 pm • 0 0 • view
She was stuck. She tacks to the left, and she loses independents and never Trump Republicans. Inflation reduced her margin to zero.
aug 26, 2025, 11:57 pm • 0 0 • view
At this point believing in gravity and vaccines is left. I’ve also seen polling where a majority of democrats still supported Israel in early/mid 2024. Biden was also shipping weapons to Israel…she would have been attacked for disagreeing. People wanted Trump, they got him.
aug 27, 2025, 1:11 am • 1 0 • view
ok then no point to engage in looking back
aug 27, 2025, 1:17 am • 0 0 • view
We can look back all we want. I doubt any policy position of Harris’ would have swayed it. Inflation killed any shot she had. That and the media that feed off of Trump. Bibi and Putin were smart, they didn’t fully unleash until after the election as well.
aug 27, 2025, 1:41 am • 1 0 • view
sure I think there's a good chance you're right. but lots of people are operating on the idea that gaza voters cost her the election, so my posts are based on that premise.
aug 27, 2025, 1:45 am • 0 0 • view
It seems self-defeating to vote against the party or nominee that isn’t the flamethrower wielding clown parade. “I’ll be a dictator…” was a big clue.
aug 26, 2025, 11:51 pm • 2 0 • view
no shit. ffs.
aug 27, 2025, 12:03 am • 0 0 • view
All this is stating the bloody obvious really. But Nichols likes to stir and you all bite. Which leaves you where? With a fucking dictator.
aug 27, 2025, 12:56 am • 1 0 • view
eh I bit. everyone else jumped down my throat. learning from mistakes is a good thing though, no? both for the voters and for the politicians I'd say
aug 27, 2025, 1:02 am • 0 0 • view
Well you lot jumped off a cliff with Trump. It’s all fine while falling but the hard ground is coming at you now. Failure of imagination. Hubris about how fucking great the USA is - against evidence.
aug 27, 2025, 1:24 am • 1 0 • view
personally, I blame you
aug 27, 2025, 1:32 am • 1 0 • view
Sure. I’m that powerful. Thanks for noticing.
aug 27, 2025, 1:41 am • 1 0 • view
Maybe because your stat isn’t correct. In late 2024 a slight majority of democrats favored supporting the Israeli military
aug 26, 2025, 11:47 pm • 1 0 • view
this is the poll I'm referring to. so it's correct as far as this CBS Yougov poll.
aug 27, 2025, 1:39 am • 0 0 • view
I guess different polls, different time of year. either way, I don't think it had much bearing on the outcome of the election.
aug 27, 2025, 10:13 am • 0 0 • view
What poll are you talking about? And yes I think that’s fair to claim it didn’t make a difference but this conversation here is predicated on the idea that it did
aug 27, 2025, 2:20 pm • 1 0 • view
I honestly cannot find the poll right now. but I promise I didn't make it up. 😀 I get that many think this is why Harris lost, I just have read one too many articles claiming she lost for "this reason" and "this reason" is 50 different things. my 2 cents, misogyny/racism and high cost of living.
aug 27, 2025, 4:00 pm • 1 0 • view
Your plan to fix this by helping elect the guy who was worse on the issue isn’t working
aug 26, 2025, 11:39 pm • 4 0 • view
I wanted her to win, bud. You seem to think it was worth it to go against 77% of your voters instead of win the election. That's crazy. I went out and voted and told everyone to vote for her as well. I wish she were president.
aug 26, 2025, 11:42 pm • 0 0 • view
Could you share that poll with us you keep quoting?
aug 26, 2025, 11:47 pm • 3 0 • view
aug 27, 2025, 12:10 am • 0 0 • view
Well I sure am glad those 77% of them voters got what they wanted.
aug 27, 2025, 12:08 am • 1 0 • view
you tell em, Martin! Harris made the right choice to ignore her voters! It was all worth it! you got what you wanted too.
aug 27, 2025, 1:36 am • 0 0 • view
Basic math: if something is on both sides of the equation, you cancel them out to get to the real variables (the differences). That is, even if you believed Trump and Harris were the same on Gaza, you should have looked at their differences elsewhere. If moderate to liberal, Harris was much better.
aug 27, 2025, 11:53 am • 2 0 • view
No shit.
aug 27, 2025, 2:19 pm • 0 0 • view
Ok so live with this. Cool.
aug 26, 2025, 11:33 pm • 8 0 • view
Wanna bet she claims “I voted for Harris”? You just can’t find any “they’re the same” types who STILL admit not voting for her. They all disappeared.
aug 26, 2025, 11:38 pm • 3 0 • view
This is always how it goes. And I hate what’s going on in Gaza too. But now we are in a mess here at home - many vulnerable people hurting, here. Corruption on a scale we’ve not seen. Economic chaos. No advancement on climate, healthcare, education, nothing.
aug 27, 2025, 12:09 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah I wish she was president as well and that everyone had made the right choice and voted for her. But people can’t seem to accept that she also made a very dumb choice
aug 27, 2025, 12:13 am • 0 0 • view
So how's that purity holdin up now? Political infantilist.
aug 26, 2025, 11:37 pm • 13 0 • view
You’re an idiot. I voted for her dumdum.
aug 27, 2025, 12:15 am • 1 0 • view
Right...😏
aug 27, 2025, 12:49 am • 0 0 • view
why would I lie about that? you can't keep two ideas in your head at the same time. ffs
aug 27, 2025, 1:33 am • 0 0 • view
If you vote with your party instead of abstaining, you win. Then you get to fight with your party to enact some of your agenda while in power. Dems just don't get it. Let's keep getting butt hurt over your little issues. Best to be right then have a Democracy I guess.
aug 26, 2025, 11:58 pm • 6 0 • view
I agree that everyone should’ve voted for Harris. But can you agree that she should’ve listened to the 77% of Dem voters? Or do you think it was a good strategy to ignore them?
aug 27, 2025, 12:43 am • 0 0 • view
Why isn’t the question ever that they ignored: Our most vulnerable citizens (immigrants & others) Climate & Environmental Justice Health care for all More equity in Education A fairer economy How come the question is never why did they abandon people in need of Those things right here.
aug 27, 2025, 12:50 am • 2 0 • view
yeah that's what people bring up constantly. over and over. read this thread. and I agree. incredibly foolish not to vote for Harris because of all those things you listed.
aug 27, 2025, 1:04 am • 0 0 • view
I guess all of those people are a lot younger than me and feel they’ll make all of that progress back in their lifetimes. I’ve worked in multiple levels of govt, campaigns and politics from licking envelopes to being a candidate. This stuff is hard. It’s why u have a ceremony when u sign a bill.
aug 27, 2025, 1:11 am • 0 0 • view
You do not look so old that 77% of Dem voters are younger than you. but maybe you are are v old and look good for your age
aug 27, 2025, 1:19 am • 0 0 • view
So do you always blame voters 100% and leave politicians blameless? Or is it possible that politicians make mistakes?
aug 27, 2025, 1:18 am • 0 0 • view
Im not a politician so I don’t have to say the voters are never wrong. I do blame voters. A lot. People have agency and responsibility. George Carlin once said “think about how stupid the average person is and then realize half the population….” You know the rest.
aug 27, 2025, 1:25 am • 0 0 • view
that's not what I asked. I never said the voters are never wrong. In fact, I said yes, they are wrong.
aug 27, 2025, 1:30 am • 0 0 • view
Sadly, this is the crux. Single issue voters that take a stand on a small hill while a tsunami is approaching. Can’t see the forest for the trees.
aug 27, 2025, 12:12 am • 2 0 • view
Agreed w your overall point. Everyone should’ve voted for Harris no matter what. But my point is this wasn’t a small hill. This was 77% of voters. She chose to side against 77% of her base.
aug 27, 2025, 12:45 am • 0 0 • view
Gaza didn’t change any outcome. People barely care about their neighbors being kidnapped. Anyway… it definitely doesn’t matter now. bsky.app/profile/the-...
aug 27, 2025, 1:54 am • 3 0 • view
sounds good. you're prob right it wasn't at all decisive, but many here keep saying it was. thanks for sharing the good news.
aug 27, 2025, 1:59 am • 1 0 • view
People are generally selfish and don’t care about FP unless it’s 1) something humiliating for US 2) Americans die. l may be bitter but that’s what l see. bsky.app/profile/nise...
aug 27, 2025, 2:02 am • 9 1 • view
You're looking at a poll question that didn't even ask about foreign policy. It's part of a poll that actually asked about Gaza in one question (p. 8), but the sample wasn't random, they consciously limited the number of "very liberal participants" (p. 2). bsky.app/profile/adam...
aug 27, 2025, 4:43 am • 0 0 • view
I'm not even sure about #1 given Commander Cankles does something humiliating every day, especially if Putin, Xi or Kim Jong Un is involved.
aug 27, 2025, 2:20 am • 2 0 • view
Single issue voters have wrecked this country.
aug 26, 2025, 11:41 pm • 21 0 • view
So you think it was a good strategic move to go against 77% of your voters? You think that's a good way to win?
aug 26, 2025, 11:43 pm • 2 0 • view
Could you share that poll with us? BTW, how many Democrats wanted Trump’s dystopia? Less than 23%?
aug 26, 2025, 11:46 pm • 2 0 • view
aug 27, 2025, 12:41 am • 0 0 • view
Not the point. Harris didn't lose the election because she didn't agree with "77%" of the voters. The election was lost because the voters didn't vote for her despite disagreeing with her.
aug 26, 2025, 11:48 pm • 3 0 • view
and yes, having a winning strategy is very much the point. that is if you want to win. but maybe you don't care
aug 27, 2025, 12:09 am • 0 0 • view
You really don't get the point, do you? People with your attitude is why Trump was elected. Cutting off your nose to spite your face gets you nowhere.
aug 27, 2025, 3:07 am • 1 0 • view
what attitude is that? someone who wants to win? You realize I voted for Harris, right? And I do agree that anyone who didn't made a big mistake.
aug 27, 2025, 4:05 am • 0 0 • view
so you truly can't understand that both things can be true at the same time?
aug 27, 2025, 12:08 am • 0 0 • view
No, because it doesn't work that way. You are wrong. Own it.
aug 27, 2025, 3:08 am • 0 0 • view
So you think it's a good strategy for politicians to go against the opinion of over 3/4 of their voters. You think that's a good strategy for winning. You own that.
aug 27, 2025, 4:19 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah, it was stupid to go against all those liberal college kids who never show up to vote anyway. I wonder how those that decided not to vote for Harris feel now that THEY screwed over not only Palestine, but pretty much every minority group here they claim to care about.
aug 26, 2025, 11:45 pm • 19 0 • view
77% How dense do you have to be to think that’s just college kids
aug 27, 2025, 12:14 am • 1 0 • view
Where are you getting that number?
aug 27, 2025, 1:12 am • 0 0 • view
Thanks.
aug 27, 2025, 1:19 am • 1 0 • view
It doesn’t matter! Any one who gave a fig about Gaza voted for her, and the rest had other reasons not to and Gaza was the fig leaf. No one who truly cared preferred Trump. Irrelevant people.
aug 27, 2025, 1:56 am • 0 0 • view
ok then the entire conversation is irrelevant since you say that gaza supporters didn't cost her the election. (I mean we can still discuss election strategy but it appears you're uninterested in looking at it from that angle)
aug 27, 2025, 8:48 pm • 1 0 • view
Agreed. And it will matter even less because by the time Trump and Netanyahu are done, there won’t be any “Gaza” left. Anyone who cared knew this and voted accordingly; the rest were lost votes anyway.
aug 27, 2025, 9:00 pm • 1 0 • view
Cite needed
aug 27, 2025, 12:09 am • 1 0 • view
So, I think I might have answered this CBS poll the same way 77% of Dems did back in June of 2024. However that wasn’t the question on 11/5/24 when I entered the voting booth.
aug 27, 2025, 12:15 am • 2 0 • view
Have you considered the alternative to Harris?
aug 26, 2025, 11:38 pm • 2 0 • view
wow. it's like your brains are broken. I voted for Harris.
aug 26, 2025, 11:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Weird how the “they’re the same” (sounds like you) types have just vanished. Just weeks ago you couldn’t swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen or more “she didn’t earn my vote” types.
aug 26, 2025, 11:49 pm • 2 0 • view
I'm not everyone. i'm me. and there are tons of people who seem incapable of getting their heads around it being both very foolish for voters not to have pulled the lever for Harris AND very foolish for Harris to ignore such a big majority of her base.
aug 27, 2025, 12:06 am • 0 0 • view
Harris wasn’t president and couldn’t cuff off all military aid if she wanted to. I’d also point out that cutting off Israel, just months after Oct 7th, while Hamas held hundreds of hostages, would have lost more votes than it gained.
aug 27, 2025, 12:09 am • 0 0 • view
it was a YEAR after 10/7. candidates for president have policy positions. Sounds like you got what you wanted anyway since you weren't part of that 77%. So at least you got that part.
aug 27, 2025, 1:38 am • 0 0 • view
I’m glad to hear it.
aug 26, 2025, 11:58 pm • 0 0 • view
How many weapons did she send to Israel? Oh none, Trump has been sending them.
aug 27, 2025, 3:55 am • 0 0 • view
oh so you think it was a good idea to go against 77% of Dem voters. can you tell me how that was a good strategy? I voted for her btw, but I wanted to win and personally I think paying attention to your voters--especially that large a majority--is a smart thing to do. You seem to disagree tho
aug 27, 2025, 4:04 am • 0 0 • view
I think Biden's policy was terrible by the way. He thought he could control Bibi like Trump thinks he can control Putin. But Harris was the sitting VP. She couldn't walk too far from the president.
aug 27, 2025, 4:09 am • 0 0 • view
I mean she was the candidate. she could stake out her own opinions. and seems like a mistake now not to have put distance between herself and Biden?
aug 27, 2025, 4:20 am • 0 0 • view
Maybe, but that's not why she lost. MAYBE why she lost Michigan, but Trump had the vibes and she didn't. Cast majority of American voters are way less informed than people on this site.
aug 27, 2025, 4:25 am • 1 0 • view
ok that's a fine argument and I think you're probably right. but many people keep blaming her loss on the anti-genocide Dems who refused to vote, so that was the premise of the conversation.
aug 27, 2025, 4:27 am • 0 0 • view
How did she go against the voters?
aug 27, 2025, 4:05 am • 0 0 • view
77% of Dem voters stated they wanted the US to stop sending Israel weapons. So, if we're going to blame the gaza faction for her loss--those people who didn't come out and vote-- we have to consider the fact that she made the choice to go against over 3/4 of the voters
aug 27, 2025, 4:21 am • 0 0 • view
How did she go against them though? I don't recall what she said about sending weapons.
aug 27, 2025, 4:23 am • 0 0 • view
she said she would continue to send weapons. look, again, I think everyone should've voted for regardless. and I wish they had. very foolish not to. but her choice on this was also very very foolish. and I hope dems learn from it.
aug 27, 2025, 4:26 am • 0 0 • view