Selfish take really. That only serves to protect your self image. Fuck ego. This is bigger than that.

This attitude means you deserve nothing. Not swerving to miss you in traffic. Not a temporary sense of safety and certainly not my vote.

Why are you people acting like he’s the nominee three years out

Also, how is "Newsom's attacks on marginalized communities needs to stop, and I'm not voting for him because of said attacks" seen as selfish?

it's projection. the only reason this person is arguing about this is because they want to feel righteous, so they believe everyone else must have the same motivation

Pot meet kettle.

You do not know what that expression means

You're misusing that expression and have shown to have the reading comprehension of a drunk toddler

I'm not. Why are you?

You absolutely are

Fuck you.

Look, if my vote is this important, and I'm telling you ahead of time how to win it, and you refuse to do it without any reason given, it really doesn't seem like this is something I'm doing. It seems like something you're doing.

Newsom doesn’t even have policy proposals. There is literally one thing about a Newsom presidency that we know he would do differently than Trump and it is “hating trans people harder”.

it's really kindof unbelievable that every post that's like "Hey I'm not going to vote for Gavin Newsom because he's going on right wing talk shows and saying ehhh i don't know if trans people are real?" gets replies saying "OOHH so you want trump to win huh? All you people deserve to die!"

and then any pushback in the replies to that gets a very somber serious tut-tutting from Practical Minded Democrats who go "well look if you don't want trans people to die you must want regular people to die? Quod erat demonstratum. You are scum"

me saying I don't want to feed anyone to the wolves is not for the sake of my ego, it is because you have set up a false dichotomy so that you can back yourself into feeling ok about supporting the loudest man in the race and pretend it's because it's the practical thing to do

If Newsome is the candidate and you choose to sit out cause you can't compromise your morals or whatever then yes you're choosing your ego over preventing harm to other people. What else are you protecting at that point by sitting out?

Accusing someone of being ego driven as they stand up for others is some next level fascist doublespeak you absolute coward

Tell me then what do you accomplish by sitting out when the alternative is literal concentration camps? Who and what are you actually protecting with that choice?

I'm protecting marginalized people from predatory candidates who know they don't have to make any promises to them but can still expect their votes. If you pledge to vote for anyone with a D next to their name no matter what, why would any candidate listen to you when you tell them your needs?

I pray for the day someone like Mamdani or AOC gets the Dem nomination and we see whether all the vote blue no matter who people are ready to walk the walk

you don't have to wait, friend, they're all but putting hits out on Mamdani and he's only running for mayor

Because there will be a primary where they do need to compete for our votes. I want a progressive candidate who will do those things, but I won't self immolate and let the country burn down if I don't get everything I want.

So you don’t actually want progress. You want to maintain the status quo, which is internally and inherently fascist. Fuck you

Not at all what I said.

See, you're characterizing me and everyone else asking for basic rights for trans people as childish, "get everything i want" as if they're asking for government sponsored ice cream parties. This betrays what I said before, which is that you do not consider trans rights a serious issue

Nah you're just putting words in my mouth and arguing against someone who isn't me. Trans rights is a serious issue, that sadly, hasn't and won't get the progress as quick as it should. But I won't sacrifice our ability to fight for that progress cause we won't get it right away.

I understand from this exchange that you don't see trans people as human so appealing to your basic decency won't work, but surely this is a hard-nosed practical political argument you can't help but agree with, being a very practical centrist

You couldn't be more wrong.