So, like, even if there hadn't been two Supreme Court decisons in living memory directly holding that flag burning is protected under the First Amendment, *new criminal laws cannot be created by executive order.*
So, like, even if there hadn't been two Supreme Court decisons in living memory directly holding that flag burning is protected under the First Amendment, *new criminal laws cannot be created by executive order.*
I try not to do these "don't u know there R no real laws anymore u moron" responses but Trump has taken enough blatantly illegal actions for which the Supreme Court has effectively shut down any remedy that I can't say for sure that we won't see people imprisoned for flag burning.
Well also there’s no federal jurisdiction sooo
There are no limits on Federal jurisdiction as long as the Supreme Court is a rubber stamp for the regime and Congress does nothing about it
Roberts will find a way. He always does for his daddy
It’s wild that this has to be pointed out. Congress makes laws and these are not royal decrees
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I guess the letter of the executive order is "go on a fishing expedition to find some OTHER criminal thing for which you can charge someone who burns a flag" but still. Yeah.
But does it apply to ripping it shreds?
Riiiiiight. How about if someone burns a flag while raping a 14 year old? Do they go to an “open door” jail?
Also as per the regulation regarding flags… one of the only permissible ways to retire a flag honorable… is by fire. Unconstitutional drivel via EO.
Striking down a law doesn't remove it from the books, as we were unfortunately recently reminded after the Dobbs decision. There is in fact a law against flag burning, currently inoperative due to the cases you mentioned. But if they get SCOTUS to change its mind it will go back into effect.
Thats something to tell the judge, after the police and fbi agents fuck up your shit, shoot your dog and throw you into lockup for 48 hours. Law enforcement does what Trump says, law be damned.
He's willing it into being legal.
He has to be stopped.
Ok..you know what you have to do Americans. It is time for all real Americans to stand up and burn a flag in public.
The only flag that should be burned is the.....
Don’t forget the MAGA caps.
Don't the Boy Scouts burn 100s of flags a year? You aren't allowed to raise a damaged one IIRC
Don't those people behind him have jobs? Why are they always there as he signs the endless stacks of EOs?
You can beat a cop with a flag, just don’t burn it.
Robert's Supremes will find a way to acquiesce.
It’s just a stop and frisk pretext. Whether it’s an actual law or not they’ll arrest you.
A flag in bad condition is supposed to be destroyed. Also, the flag is traditionally brought in every night and never touch the ground. This is a distraction.
Burning ripped or torn American flags is the proper thing to do. Wiping your ass with a Trump flag is also the proper thing to do.
He likes to pertend he is the 1st to do anything.
Hearing Martin Sheen's voice in my head... is there some epidemic of flag burning in this country that I'm not aware of?
He thinks he’s King.
I mean it’s cynical, but it’s genius, like how I have to argue against a flag burning law with my MAGA relatives? He is a master at finding wedge issues.
I am issuing an executive order that says if you hump a flag in public you go to jail for 75 years
So unless the 25th amendment, military coup or well regulated militia under the 2nd Amendment is implemented then you’ll just have to suck it up.
Also, it looks like your constitution is now moot and executive power is supreme.
Yeah, but, John Roberts.
No, but there's nothing stopping SCOTUS from overturning their prior rulings.
Trump has now put God under notice that Saint Peter must be replaced with someone less woke and with a firmer commitment to Christian values. Plans are being developed to Federalize the Heavenly Gates and to impose tariffs on 'Blessings' being imported into the US.
Every time he does this I just visualize the "I. DECLARE. BANKRUPCY!" scene from the office - like buddy
Something our DNI could present the President with to help him lurn reel gud. youtu.be/SZ8psP4S6BQ?...
Definitely sounds too stupid.
But they can be changed by a SCOTUS that is burning our Constitution.
Seems like they can
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Thank you — I had wondered about that.
How stupid Biden is 10,000 times the human human being and president that Trump would ever be
So nobody’s calling out how many people Trump pardoned That are actual criminals
Orangebaby has desecrated the flag with all his merchandise. Arrest him.
Certainly the current SCOTUS will uphold its previous decisions to uphold the First Amendment and check abusive unlawful power... oh.
I believe that to properly dispose of a flag, it's to be burned. So what are we to do with tattered flags?
If your hand falls off that could be a good reason to use an auto pen.
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Fondling the flag is allowed as per trump.
The last working neuron in Trump's skull suddenly flaring up, reminding him of a culture war battle no one has cared about since 1996. Without any remaining impulse control he has no choice but to act
welcome to Trump's America. Where ever "idea" he shits, becomes a rule.
Sadly, this administration and its fascist fans only believe in the law when the latter is a weapon to use in harming the left and PoC. #Emoluments #HatchAct #Espionage Act (death penalty) #kleptocracy
If the DOJ behaves as if this is now law, what is the difference? They'll charge someone with inciting a riot or some other violation, that's explicitly the plan.
'Look mommy I made a scribble...yay!' -Toddler Donny 'That's such a good boy Donny, now go eat your fish delight.' - Karoline Leavitt
Maybe he thinks his SCOTUS will reverse this decision…..just like they have on ROE, Voting Rights, and somewhat of Birthright
But Pirro won't prosecute gun violations in DC, because we all know flags are so much more lethal.
But putting the flag on a pickleball paddle and hawking it for $180 is fine.
They can now because there is no actual opposition to stop him
And yet it keeps happening. Weird. It's almost like legality doesn't matter to this administration. I'm sure if we complain that this is illegal next time as well, he'll stop.
Too bad the media keeps pretending these are “laws” creating a false impression that is creeping into reality.
Oh, phew! SCOTUS would NEVER overturn their own decisions, especially after enough time has passed for those decisions to be established law. I was worried there for a second!
sorry, was out at the stars and stripes bonfire……… i fly the ukrainian flag these days
They know this. This is all performative. When Trump feels he is losing in the court of public opinion on various fronts he creates these moments of distraction.
you have to catch them doing it first.
He is so freaking senile.
Well, yes.
I submit on Sept 3rd during the press conference with Epstein victims on congress steps...someone should burn the flag....
Welcome to America 2025.
Trying to appease his base, throw them off of the idea that Trump rapes kids. 🧸
You are like *so* retro.
Flag burning. OK, now we are back in the sixties. Dementia Donnie never fails to entertain.
As a boy scout many years ago I was tought that a flag that was tattered and torn or touched the ground should be burned.
MAGA doesn't care....... and the current Supremes seem to not like "settled law" these days.
Its designed to divide the people, and the military more. Puts the military /veteran/cop pipeline of mentality more on his side. Vets are fucking weird about the flag.
And not a single journalist in the room called him on it because all of em are part of the propaganda machine and enemies of the people
What if I burn the stupid blue "Trump" flag? What does that get me? Moron.
Somebody needs to tell him that the VFW and the Boy Scouts perform Flag Burning ceremonies every year, because it’s the ONLY legal way to dispose of an American flag. You’re even supposed to burn one if it just touches the ground.
As a very confused American, you're supposed to burn flags if they as much as touch the ground??? That counts as soiling a flag???
www.legion.org/advocacy/fla... The flag code is pretty extreme, and most people don’t know anything about it. I’m not sure what cult that person thinks I’m in, but I assure you, I’m not part of one. I’ve had to record flag burning ceremonies at the VFW, and they take it very seriously.
Right - like it isn’t to be flown at night or in inclement weather. MAGA really doesn’t like it when you point these things out to them though. See also: “The flag should never be used as wearing apparel.”
Would seem to be related to the drapery - you can’t pin it up like a curtain, or paste it up behind a speaker at a dias, which is why politicians stand in front of a forest of freely-hanging flags on stands
Is this last bit specifically in reference to actual flags or in regard to the pattern itself?
Good question
We need a flag police force to keep us all in line.
It's a pretty extreme reading of the flag code, but one that people love to fall into because it helps reinforce the cult. You're meant to burn flags that are faded or have been used to decorate graves.
What about if you cut the U.S. flag in many pieces and put them in a trash can?
I thought burning a flag was the proper way to dispose of it? Have they factored this into their insanely ridiculously illegal executive order or will they be raiding the local VFW on flag day?
Does this dumbass know how used flags are properly disposed of?
Can I burn all 50 State's flags?
Fully agree with sentiment, but - and this is just my humble and uninformed opinion - missing the mark: the goals here are to (1) create outrage in libs (check) and create confusion to deconsolidate formal & informal rules (check). What each EO textually says per se is irrelevant to them
this is something i do wish more people understood. there is nothing you can take at face value with people who act in bad faith. not a single thing.
I suspect that might also be hoping that some react by burning flags: bsky.app/profile/dark...
It's irrelevant if it's bait or not. So the answer is be obedient? Become more fearful? Anyone who fears the out come are nothing but cowards.
Good luck with that, orange turd.
That was true before the Trump/Roberts court. Whether it remains true is still to be seen.
tbf his regime believes DEI is now against the law
If you remodel or do any construction whatsoever to “our” White House without it being put on the ballot to be voted on by Americans then you do five years in prison, fined and held responsible to pay to have it restored. Thank you for your attention to this matter, asshole.
How much time do you get for humping one?
SCOTUS will reverse those decisions should that be necessary.
I can't say will, but it seems a pretty likely outcome.
Sure they can, when you have a fascist dictatorial regime. The regime can do whatever it wants. And that's what it's doing. Unless or until the people push back strongly. Which isn't happening, unfortunately.
Don't dare burn the flag but beat the shit out of a cop in my pedophile name il pardon you
If you hump a flag, you don’t go to heaven
Unfortunately there's nobody at the White House to tell him that.
Pure BS
Flag burning is lawful. Full stop. But for argument sake, burn a confederate flag and see if they move to enforce the order. Its based on "disrespect of country". Confederacy isn't the country, "heritage" isn't part of the order, and no jury will convict on a burnt confederate flag.
Tell that to His Majesty, King Trump and his Court of Sycophants.
This is the game: issue an executive order that will certainly be challenged. The Con will then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting the challenge (or perhaps use the law firms that he extorted pro bono work from), all the way to the corrupt SCOTUS, where his order will be upheld.
In our world, yes. In his world, go ahead and try to stop me.
What is so scary here is that he thinks he can do it. I mean, what if Trump were a Jets fan and tried to ban everyone from flying a Patriots flag? (Don’t @ me, Jets fans…) A ludicrous attack on free speech.
This is going to Streissand Effect this like nobody's business, get ready for nothing but videos of this
Should start burning the confederate flag if this even gets considered by the Supreme Court Fuck these inbred dip shits
Seems to me there need to be organized flag burning protests. Each flag should be dedicated to one of the many American rights which have already been lost in the early days of his administration.
Burn all the Trump, Nazi, Confederate flags.
his handler explains to him that the doj is ordered to investigate cases of flag burning and prosecute where it's possible *without colliding with the 1st amendment*. there's some double play. maybe they gave him one of his favorite toys while covering their behinds.
If you violate your oath to the Constitution, you get impeached. #1stAmendment
Roberts will find a way
There is not an epidemic of flag burning !
Useless President
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How is it any different than emblazoning the flag with an image of a fat felon?
Authored by Scalia no less
More cannon fodder to distract from the Epstein files. Don’t fall for it!
Is he talking about the Stars and Stripes or knock-off Trump versions?
Looking forward to Gorsuch coming up with a rationale for why those decisions were wrong
Well, your illegitimate (14th amendment, section 3) president is a criminal who gives a shit about your laws. Unless you arrest him, and throw him in prison. I'm pretty sure he's now up to life+ for treason (Russia), and hundreds of violations of the constitution and laws.
I was just thinking about Ex parte Milligan the other day and how he’ll try and test the bounds somehow based on what he’s doing with federal agents and the Guard. And now he purports to do this. Signs not looking positive.
How many flags can we burn?
Anyone who can read and write understands that this is performative. But we also recognize that it will be used as pretext by those who don’t.
U.S. Flag Code requires you to burn flags that are no longer servicable.
That may have been true at one time but no one is enforcing our laws anymore.
Desensitization to breaking the law by the Executive.
What about if you destroy young girls' lives?
Then we’ll have to burn Trump.
$20 I bet they let Trump. Wait until SCOTUS revisits and gives Trump just enough to let him create criminal law EOs
And with crime and criminals running amok in American cities (according to the criminal behind the desk), there's Bondi, taking time off work, again, to act as a prop in another Trump peanut gallery, while he blathers on about what appears to be yet another unconstitutional executive order.
I thought that was an approved way to destroy a soiled flag.
What is this “Supreme Court” of which you speak?
Weak penalty. Only one year? No deportation to Uganda? Trump is losing it.
The EO will reach the SCOTUS and the Inquisitional Six will do their usual and expected, set fire to generations of precedent to give Trump whatever he wants.
I foresee a profitable business where someone makes red, white, and blue flags with 12 stripes and 49 stars and sell them for burning.
The separation of powers is intended to provide balanced oversight to prevent corruption in government. Over-reaching executive decisions without congressional approval go against basic tenets of the Constitution. Lobbying Supreme Court justices via questionable Amicus Briefs erodes impartiality.
The only important item in this video is the great lengths Trump took to hide his right hand and the bruising it has from intravenous medication for... something.
Eager to see what @thefireorg.bsky.social has to say
The EO, as written, attempts to sidestep SCOTUS by claiming that burning a flag falls under the "Fighting Words" doctrine.
Yeah but who's stopping him and why does the entire country treat it that way?
and this executive order doesn't create a new law but Trump is too dim-witted to understand that
"I hope they used that language" You're the one issuing the order, maybe read it before you sign it?
But it’s okay for MAGA supporters to wear the flag on underwear!
If the cops are willing to act like his word has the force of law, and it the courts either allow it or are ignored, then he absolutely does have that power. He's fully into mad king territory, ruling by decree. The letter of the law was never a good defense against this, but now it's none at all.
Why not? He has already used executive orders to impose taxes, amend laws, and rewrite the Constitution, and Congress has by and large ratified his decrees, and the Supreme Court has accepted his decrees as law more often than not. The Constitution of 1787 is not in force.
He wrote all over a flag signing it. Does that mean he gets a yr, too?
Another meaningless EO! Project 2025 staff keeping the old convicted felon busy!
SO THERE!
Seems like it would be good to have a mass flag burning event scheduled in the near future.
People are still burning flags?
True fact: the correct way to dispose of old flags is to burn them. This thing is always about objecting to the INTENT behind any flag burning, which is implicitly an acknowledge that it is about political speech.
It's funny how the people who complain about flag burning never complain about actual mis-uses that the flag guidelines list
They respect the flag so much, they wear it as underwear and a bandana.
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We should all burn an American flag at the same time.
I’ve never considered burning a flag before, but now I want to just to see what the cops will do. What would they arrest me for, exactly? How would they even fill out the paperwork for this?
sounds like they'll try to get you for damage to the sidewalk, or protesting without a permit, or anything they can - and then try to turn that into a 1 year sentence. that's how I'm hear it. so if you got a permit, burned it in a barrel, got permission ahead of time for a small, symbolic fire.
I can't wait for someone to do a test case.
What if we burn a Liberian flag?
No offense to Liberia, just MAGAts don't know the difference.
Malaysia also could work for that 😂
There's also an early flag for the 17th/18th century East India Company that has the bars and a union flag (red bars on a white ground was an indicator for commercial trading operations back then.) The Depp Pirates film changed it so you wouldn't feel bad.
Depends on where you do it: On your own property: starting a fire without a permit On public property: disorderly conduct or destruction of public property (maybe a sidewalk gets singed or blackend by the fire), or reckless endangerment (of people around you while you burn it)
Or maybe they call it assault because cops that see it might think you want to use it to set them on fire There's tons of bullshit ways they could do it without you actually being charged with "burning the flag"
I am thinking about hanging the flag that draped my grandfather’s casket (he died fighting Fascists) and burning a small flag in front of it. I probably won’t do it (because poor video skills + cowardice), but the juxtaposition would be powerful.
Imagine that landing on a prosecutor's desk
DA: “Your honor, the defendant is charged with…uhh, not doing what the President says? Am I reading that right? Yeah I guess that’s right. Anyway the State asks that, um, well I’m not really sure what we’re asking for, to be honest.” Judge: “Are you fucking serious right now?”
Yeah but if a federal government employee in the course of performing their official function burns a flag, they're going to regret it
Look at you with your "facts" and your "stare decisis" and your "history" trying to get in the way of the POWER OF AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
As he gets loonier and loonier will he just start signing orders to require continuous saluting when Hail to the Chief is played, $5000 grants to people who wear MAGA hats, bans on showing movies made by known liberal Democrats, elimination of California’s status as a state?
Idiocracy the Sequel
What’s the penalty for flag humping, is it the same as couch f’ing?
The EO will be struck down as unenforceable if ever enforced. But the people charged? Their lives/savings will be screwed proving their constitutional right to burn it.
You can read the actual EO here: www.whitehouse.gov/presidential...
It mainly suggests but does not outright state that burning an American flag could constitute "fighting words" and therefore would not be covered by the First Amendment, and says that the admin will be vigorously enforcing all already existing laws in cases where a flag is burned.
Interesting preamble language that the flag is a symbol of American freedom to an order which takes said freedom away