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joycecaroloates.bsky.social @joycecaroloates.bsky.social

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (attributed to Voltaire) curious what people think of this remark today. I will post on both Twitter & Bluesky & look forward to responses.

sep 2, 2025, 2:50 pm • 35 2

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Klara Sterczewska @klarast.bsky.social

Voltaire never said this, also solidarity is more improtant than free speech. I won't defend hateful discourse or misinformation, it simply takes away energy from solidarity with the affected.

sep 2, 2025, 3:22 pm • 3 0 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

who said it?

sep 2, 2025, 11:48 pm • 0 0 • view
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Klara Sterczewska @klarast.bsky.social

Evelyn Beatrice Hall, Voltaire's biographer

sep 3, 2025, 12:31 am • 0 0 • view
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Joe Huiras @joehuiras.bsky.social

Free speech does has limits, and as a society we should have no tolerance for intolerance. We really should punish fascist/Nazi rhetoric more strictly so it can't flourish.

sep 2, 2025, 2:57 pm • 1 0 • view
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barbara-douglas.bsky.social @barbara-douglas.bsky.social

It goes back to the paradox of complete tolerance meaning tolerating the intolerant. In my opinion, no one should tolerate one who would deny rights to others based on gender, race, nationality or faith.

sep 2, 2025, 3:02 pm • 1 0 • view
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Pearl Nayker @purrl.org

highly depends on what the consequences of said speech are. things like hate speech have real, lasting impacts on entire massive groups of people because of how they shift wider public perception. in a lot of those kind of cases the "right balance" tends to be to not allow it at all

sep 2, 2025, 2:56 pm • 2 0 • view
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Discourse Stu @tyrelljames.net

I think many people have succumbed to letting fear drive them towards a short sighted view of trying to assert conformity in a vain attempt to assure social cohesion. But, short of direct, actionable calls to violent action against the oppressed, I still hold to the value of free expression.

sep 2, 2025, 5:06 pm • 0 0 • view
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Discourse Stu @tyrelljames.net

Also, more pragmatically, given the structures of power, that speech which is policed as "dangerous" will always include that which seems to threaten the powers that be and their authority.

sep 2, 2025, 5:08 pm • 2 0 • view
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Nick Delmonte @npdelm.bsky.social

I think Voltaire would have added a couple caveats to this quote had he lived to see how right he was about being made to believe absurdities can lead to committing atrocities.

sep 2, 2025, 3:12 pm • 1 0 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

idk, the guy spent a year in the Bastille for blasphemy against the monarchy. The early 18th century had its share of atrocities, yet he never wavered in his outspoken defense of civil liberties. It’s not as if us recent folk invented atrocities…

sep 2, 2025, 11:55 pm • 0 0 • view
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Cindy Wan @cindywan.bsky.social

Mutually? Unilaterally? Hmm… I do still agree with the quote.

sep 2, 2025, 4:16 pm • 1 0 • view
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Todd Mason @toddmasonsj.bsky.social

All too often, it'll be unilateral.

sep 2, 2025, 9:39 pm • 1 0 • view
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Cindy Wan @cindywan.bsky.social

This is true.

sep 3, 2025, 11:15 am • 1 0 • view
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Christopher Arnold @charnold01.bsky.social

Folks here seem to put greater urgency on disagree. Certain threatening and harassment speech was never protected. However because enforcement can be spotty they want to empower the government to broadly censor speech which is just handing a gun to conservatives who have access to national power.

sep 2, 2025, 7:14 pm • 1 0 • view
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A-Aron @ragu23.bsky.social

Allowing the government to choose what kind of speech is illegal is a HORRIBLE idea! 90% of the people on this site would have their speech criminalized for being “hateful to America” if an administration like this one had that authority!

sep 2, 2025, 3:15 pm • 4 0 • view
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scott dagostino @scottdagostino.ca

People tediously trot this quote out to justify hate speech. Voltaire was a racist and slave-owner who said Black people were a step up from apes and this quote isn’t even his but a summary of his views by biographer Evelyn Beatrice Hall. Free speech depends on Karl Popper’s Paradox of Tolerance.

sep 2, 2025, 3:09 pm • 3 2 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

True he was bad on race even by the standards of the time (ie amongst philosophers.) But that does not mitigate his brave, outspoken belief in freedom of speech. Or cancel the ever-lasting brilliance of Candide, which gave us the most famous philosophical adage ever: cultivate your own garden.

sep 3, 2025, 12:05 am • 0 0 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

Screenshot from your link

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sep 3, 2025, 12:06 am • 0 0 • view
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scott dagostino @scottdagostino.ca

Well yes, I read it. And you read the rest too, yes? There’s no hero or villain here. Voltaire was the product of his racist time, as we are the products of ours.

As I suggest in my article, Voltaire was not necessarily criticising the fact that Black people were being exploited for their labour, but rather that the conditions of their exploitation were wrong and unproductive. Unlike some of his contemporaries, Voltaire never called for the abolition of slavery, and continued to profit from it throughout his life. In a perverse way, the philosopher's criticisms of the conditions of slave labour are consistent with the interests of an investor in slave-made goods. To quote Karl Marx, So, before parading Voltaire as a symbol of liberty, tolerance, and progress, we should remember how many Black lives suffered from his investments, morally defended by his racist writings. In 1752, the San Jorge ship, to which Voltaire contributed 10,000 livres - the equivalent of around £150,000 today - abducted two hundred and eighty-four Africans from the coast of Guinea and forcibly transported them to Buenos Aires, where the surviving two hundred and fifty-one were sold into slavery. Voltaire, in pursuit of colonial riches, caused untold and —at least in the public sphere-largely forgotten suffering. Thus, contrary to the laments of both liberal and conservative commentators today, BLM protestors did not ignore or erase history by splashing an inanimate statue with red paint. Rather, they brought important and long-overlooked history squarely back into the public spotlight.
sep 3, 2025, 12:20 am • 0 0 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

Yes read the rest & yes I agree in regard to race he was the product of his times (like we are, yes.) My only point was let’s not forget his devotion to free speech, which was brave & good (for one year in the Bastille!) and his work, which is so brilliant it is still studied 300 years later.

sep 3, 2025, 11:05 am • 0 0 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

And I for one have never heard a MAGAT or a Proud Boy or a Nick Fuente-type quote Voltaire, have you? They’ve got plenty of more recent resources to work from.

sep 3, 2025, 11:16 am • 0 0 • view
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scott dagostino @scottdagostino.ca

I have. That was the reason for my reply in the first place. But don’t fret, Voltaire’s place in history is secure, his quote always there to provide cover for toxic people 🤷‍♂️

sep 3, 2025, 12:31 pm • 0 0 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

as if they need cover from Voltaire. Risible.

sep 3, 2025, 12:37 pm • 0 0 • view
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Rob @salmiyan.bsky.social

Won't defend it to the death; who would feed The Beast?

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sep 3, 2025, 8:50 am • 0 0 • view
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Jeff Folmsbee @jefffolmsbee.bsky.social

💯%

sep 2, 2025, 11:47 pm • 0 0 • view
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R Jordan @rej54.bsky.social

Ha! Growing up in the 60s that was the de rigueur position of liberals based on the false assumption that insane extremists would always remain a minority to be tolerated until they came to their senses.

sep 2, 2025, 3:32 pm • 1 0 • view
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Felicity @fififinx.bsky.social

A motto by which I was raised to live (by my Da). The Ma had an addendum: Unless you want to kill people, in which case I put you DOWN

sep 2, 2025, 3:06 pm • 1 0 • view
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Paris Insider @paulwinerbenitzak.bsky.social

I can tell u what Frenchmen/women think of this today: It's a principle more honored in the breach. My recent response to the Leftist Insoumis party announcing 95% of its members had voted in favor of its platform "Like the good ol' Soviet days!" was met w/ "Amscram, troll!" & bugspray pointed at me

sep 2, 2025, 5:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dale A. Dooley @daleadooley.bsky.social

Agree. And I also will defend to the death my right to say (prove) what you say is wrong

sep 2, 2025, 2:54 pm • 1 0 • view