The majority of starters in MLB these days have trouble turning lineups over 3 times. The game has changed and people need to understand that and stop comparing players to the past, which isn't relevant anymore.
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And if you want to compare anybody to Greinke's season and a half as a Brewer, Freddy Peralta over the last 3 years is more or less that profile, but with 0 missed starts. Better ERA+, worse FIP, comparable WHIP and K/9, just walks more and gets 1-2 fewer outs per outing. 🤷♂️
aug 27, 2025, 5:39 am • 1 0 • view
Also worth noting Freddy is a top 10 starter by value this year.
aug 27, 2025, 6:32 am • 2 0 • view
The 3 former Brewers "horses" he mentioned - none of them carried us to a WS, ZG avg'd just shy of 6IP over 3 PS starts w/ 12ER, CC was ridden like a horse to get there and struggled in 1 PS start for us, and CB as a PS starter 2G 10IP 4ER. Yup, horse definitely needed /eyeroll
aug 27, 2025, 6:05 am • 0 0 • view
there's a very clear difference between a "horse" and someone who can get through enough innings to even earn a decision without blowing it (see 3-8 record). a starting pitcher who consistently cannot get through 5 innings will blow up your bullpen every 5th day. that is not a recipe for success...
aug 27, 2025, 6:10 am • 0 0 • view
And has been pointed out up-thread, there's a significant dearth of starters that make it 6+ anymore. Game done changed.
aug 27, 2025, 6:16 am • 0 0 • view
there's a massive difference between getting through 5 and going 6+. that's one reliever totally down for the next day. multiply that out by 30 starts...
aug 27, 2025, 6:20 am • 0 0 • view
Teams get around this by shuffling guys up and down as needed. The Brewers in particular have been literally doing this for almost a decade now, with great success. How on earth have you not noticed this and adjusted your thiniking yet?
aug 27, 2025, 6:28 am • 0 0 • view
But come PS, that 5th starter is now an innings eater in the pen, when there are rest days galore compared to reg season. My point was this myth of having a stud/horse might play out over 162 but is in no way a guarantor of PS success
aug 27, 2025, 6:14 am • 1 0 • view
yes but what we've already found with guys like aaron ashby and dl hall is you can spot the trend with guys who don't have the stuff to be a long-term starter and transition them into long relief so they are now a valuable part of your playoff roster... idk why this is so hard to comprehend.
aug 27, 2025, 6:17 am • 1 0 • view
Ok.....so who do you propose to be the 5th starter if not Patrick - who btw is our *6th* starter atm due to the recent schedule? FP, BW, Miz, QP, JQ - Patrick will most likely not be on the PS roster barring a rash of injuries as QP/JQ will shift to innings eaters/Gm4 starter.
aug 27, 2025, 6:22 am • 0 0 • view
i don't even understand the point of this... you literally listed five starters, so yes he has been the "6th". you know logan henderson exists right? why not convert patrick into a long reliever in advance of a possible postseason roster slot so he can adjust his approach?
aug 27, 2025, 6:27 am • 0 0 • view
Because he won't be on the PS roster - barring injuries. Fun fact: Miz, how many innings does he avg a start? Maybe we should convert *him* to relief since he can't go 6+... And lol LH, that guy has reliever written all over him until he develops *at the very least* a 3rd pitch
aug 27, 2025, 6:30 am • 0 0 • view
Because guys get hurt. There will be situations where you want to use a 6th starter and he's the best option for it. Because Patricks stuff isn't the kind of top-of-the-line raw shutdown stuff that plays up in short relief. His best use is as a someone who can cover some innings when needed.
aug 27, 2025, 6:31 am • 0 0 • view
The fact that you keep citing pitcher win-loss record like any front office, coaching staff or serious analyst still pays any attention to such nonsense suggests to me that this is waseted effort....but I'm gonna try anyways: The game has changed and it's time to update your priors.
aug 27, 2025, 6:25 am • 0 0 • view