10 people are on a deserted island and there are 10 fish to eat if five people decide to throw their fish back into the ocean because they don't like tuna i don't think the other five are obligated to share
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dude, do you know how big a tuna is? do you think one person could eat a whole one without refrigeration available? i know this is beside the point but its a bad hypothetical.
aug 28, 2025, 4:55 pm • 8 0 • view
What do you mean? Tuna comes in a can. It's around the same size, right?
aug 29, 2025, 1:05 am • 3 0 • view
Did this analogy come about because you have to share one brain cell with someone else? How much of the memory in that cell is lost when you trade it? Because I'm worried the person you're sharing your brain cell with might be a right winger and making you say unforgivably heinous and stupid shit
aug 29, 2025, 3:27 am • 2 0 • view
it's more like if 3 people take their own fish and the fish from 2 others. i don't think we should condemn those people to die
aug 29, 2025, 4:59 am • 0 0 • view
"it's more like if 3 people take their own fish and the fish from 2 others." Quick question, who empowered them to do this
aug 30, 2025, 4:09 pm • 0 0 • view
I agree that it totally sucks that elections (especially elections between people I don't really like) have consequences, but
aug 28, 2025, 8:18 pm • 1 0 • view
In your totally applicable hypothetical you forgot to include that there's a bunch of food and resources just outside the island, but the Navy is surrounding the island and forcing artificial scarcity upon the ten islanders.
aug 28, 2025, 2:56 pm • 14 0 • view
Yes and it’s because those five people who didn’t like Tuna brought the navy there to do that because they wanted to own the people who did like Tuna.
aug 29, 2025, 9:23 am • 12 0 • view
No
aug 29, 2025, 10:33 am • 1 0 • view
Yes. www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-make...
aug 30, 2025, 5:13 pm • 5 0 • view
What's your point here? Trump sucks? No fucking shit, dufus. Maybe we shouldn't kill regular people because we're pissed off about it. Maybe take some of that anger and volunteer at a local food bank or buy a rifle and try to impress Jodie Foster.
aug 30, 2025, 9:54 pm • 5 1 • view
Why do you want to cut funding to urban hospitals to keep rural hospitals open?
aug 30, 2025, 10:42 pm • 2 0 • view
You do realize urban and rural areas exist in the same states whether they're blue or red right? Like we don't have just rural states and states with cities.
aug 30, 2025, 10:58 pm • 3 2 • view
You understand that there is not enough resources for all of the hospitals in the short term right?
aug 30, 2025, 11:13 pm • 2 0 • view
Yeah man, perfect analogy, definitely what is currently happening
aug 28, 2025, 1:01 pm • 69 0 • view
Just ignore the giant fish barrel labeled *dhs and military budget*
aug 28, 2025, 2:32 pm • 58 0 • view
Also the one labeled "local police department tank, drone and robot fund"
aug 28, 2025, 2:34 pm • 52 0 • view
He likes all those barrels, though.
aug 28, 2025, 2:41 pm • 32 0 • view
This is my emotional support MWRAP
aug 28, 2025, 2:43 pm • 31 0 • view
Those are urban police departments. Most state and county budgets don’t give an obscene amount to police, compared to the 50%+ many city police departments have. I agree with cutting funding, but we still need to make up for the shortfall in our own hospitals.
aug 29, 2025, 9:22 am • 0 0 • view
Who has control over those?
aug 30, 2025, 4:02 pm • 2 0 • view
Ah yes, why didn't I think of that? States should simply dip into funds appropriated to ICE and the military - the most realistic and possible option
aug 28, 2025, 6:45 pm • 9 0 • view
yeah condemning half the state to die from lack of medical care is way more reasonable
aug 28, 2025, 6:51 pm • 1 0 • view
Nobody you're talking to is doing the condemnation, that's the Republicans, who are in power. You understand that, right?
aug 28, 2025, 6:52 pm • 8 0 • view
In that analogy 2 of the people threw out 5 fish and he's saying that we should starve the three who had nothing to do with it because they were close
aug 28, 2025, 3:47 pm • 4 0 • view
Yeah those 3 people he just considers a bonus
aug 28, 2025, 3:56 pm • 3 0 • view
10 people are on a deserted island, and there are 10 fish to eat. If I throw your fish back into the ocean, I don't think anyone else is obligated to share because I voted to throw your fish back, and you didn't stop me.
aug 28, 2025, 6:56 pm • 3 0 • view
who owns this island? why do you feel entitled to even a single fish? did you even try to find the owner?
aug 28, 2025, 7:02 pm • 6 1 • view
Every single person that uses the word "liberal" pejoratively is a clown.
aug 30, 2025, 3:20 pm • 1 0 • view
Dude is basically saying, "we gotta help the MAGA goons destroy this country because it makes me feel morally superior on the internet."
aug 30, 2025, 3:28 pm • 1 0 • view
Ah, but you see if I deny the reality of finite resources, then we will magically have 10 fish.
aug 28, 2025, 8:18 pm • 5 0 • view
I would simply multiply the fishes with the awesome power of Jesus Christ the Son of Almighty God, whose Countenance and Magic destroys All Poorly Contrived Whataboutist Hallucinations
aug 28, 2025, 4:51 pm • 3 0 • view
@bullwark.bsky.social my solution, which I implemented months ago, was to block the L Brezhnev guy I mean, there is always an ulimited supply of asshats; just block and move on
aug 28, 2025, 4:58 pm • 1 0 • view
How did you get so fucking stupid?
aug 28, 2025, 7:58 pm • 1 0 • view
It's cool how liberals will be against gerrymandering and voter suppression until it comes time to punish the people affected by it.
aug 28, 2025, 8:20 pm • 2 0 • view
I don't care about budgets or fish! Why is it that we live in a country with infinite money yet we tell most of the population to go without so a few rich assholes can have expensive toys, and then are told it's some minorities fault they can't get health care?
aug 28, 2025, 8:52 pm • 3 0 • view
because people voted for a rich asshole
aug 30, 2025, 6:44 pm • 0 0 • view
They’re taking other people’s fish and throwing them back too numbnuts.
aug 28, 2025, 4:15 pm • 2 0 • view
Who the fuck are you arguing with
aug 30, 2025, 4:08 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh, you think Gavin "agrees with MAGA about trannies" Newsom is a good choice. That explains it.
aug 28, 2025, 3:20 pm • 21 0 • view
I think they are obligated to share, because that's how functioning societies work. They could even offer to trade their non-tuna for the tuna they would eat. This isn't hard.
aug 28, 2025, 3:18 pm • 22 0 • view
It's all tuna in this analogy. WTF are you talking about. And in actual societies that have barely enough to eat you'd get banished for throwing away perfectly good food.
aug 29, 2025, 11:29 am • 5 0 • view
Tuna isn't the only fish in the sea.
aug 29, 2025, 2:54 pm • 0 0 • view
It's also not one you're likely to catch from shore.
aug 29, 2025, 2:54 pm • 0 0 • view
Weird that the other five all got tuna then
aug 29, 2025, 3:57 pm • 2 0 • view
Hey how about reality
aug 28, 2025, 8:09 pm • 4 0 • view
www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-make...
aug 30, 2025, 5:13 pm • 0 0 • view
How does that relate to what the op was saying?
aug 30, 2025, 9:03 pm • 0 0 • view
aug 30, 2025, 4:08 pm • 0 0 • view
Lol. This ain't it, champ.
aug 28, 2025, 4:39 pm • 5 0 • view
aug 28, 2025, 6:50 pm • 2 0 • view
Alt text🤌
aug 29, 2025, 1:11 am • 1 0 • view
Damn, you're kind of a shitty person
aug 28, 2025, 3:34 pm • 8 0 • view
aug 28, 2025, 2:37 pm • 97 10 • view
This was also the guy who said east Palestine would be ok because the fire would burn up all the chemicals from the derailment.
aug 28, 2025, 11:59 pm • 3 0 • view
fucking WHAT
aug 29, 2025, 12:00 am • 2 0 • view
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aug 29, 2025, 12:24 am • 2 0 • view
It’s very funny that they only care about immediate deaths. Cancer takes years to develop. Just unserious and dangerous
aug 29, 2025, 12:26 am • 3 0 • view
its almost like he's paid 3 cents an hour to do bad takes
aug 29, 2025, 12:27 am • 2 0 • view
there is no way this person isn't a troll i refuse to believe that someone would have that fucking bio and not be a troll
aug 28, 2025, 2:52 pm • 13 0 • view
and if we wanna make stupid fucking analogies on the internet, its far more like one dude stole 5 people's fishes, and the other 5 (you) decide to punish them for the actions of one man your brain is a sac full of toilet water, delete your fuckin account nerd
aug 28, 2025, 2:45 pm • 35 0 • view
In which one dude got in the position of being able to steal 5 people’s fishes because those 5 elected him Island Fishmongerer and entrusted their fish to him. And now their fish is gone.
aug 28, 2025, 6:32 pm • 27 0 • view
Using liberal as a pejorative 🚩 🚩 🚩 Splitting the popular front for clout is certainly a choice.
aug 30, 2025, 3:42 pm • 2 0 • view
we have to do something about these useless eaters. this life-unworthy-of-life. if only there was a snappy word in german for the concept
aug 28, 2025, 10:02 pm • 8 0 • view
If only we could, i don't know, sort of "concentrate" them in a little area
aug 28, 2025, 10:12 pm • 7 0 • view
aug 30, 2025, 4:06 pm • 0 0 • view
You just know growing up this nerd was the one who everybody punked on the block.
aug 28, 2025, 2:39 pm • 25 0 • view
A small tuna weighs like 20 pounds. You can feed all 10 people with one.
aug 28, 2025, 6:50 pm • 1 0 • view
That's arguably true, but irrelevant since this isn't remotely how a state economy works and doesn't serve as an apt analogy of the issue being discussed.
aug 28, 2025, 1:23 pm • 15 0 • view
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
aug 28, 2025, 4:46 pm • 4 0 • view
i can smell your unwashed ass through the screen you insufferable cunt ya allah take a shower i'm GAGGING
aug 28, 2025, 8:23 pm • 1 0 • view
What the fuck are you talking about man? That doesn't work as an analogy for healthcare, you dipshit. Also, what the fuck is wrong with you?
aug 28, 2025, 4:21 pm • 3 0 • view
fucking freak shit. liberals man.
aug 29, 2025, 1:55 am • 2 0 • view
Why the fuck would ANYONE vote for a party who claims to care about people when they CLEARLY DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE? Who needs trump when we have people like you? tHeRE aReNt eNoUgH rEsOuRsES FFS, take .000000000000001% of the defense budget you fucking MAGAt.
aug 28, 2025, 1:55 pm • 11 1 • view
'Everyone in red states are Republican, and we must kill them all'
aug 30, 2025, 7:15 pm • 0 0 • view
Not only is this a bad take (both morally and strategically), but the metaphor doesn’t even make sense! A more apt one would be: five people decide to throw their fish back, then god decides they all deserve to suffer meaning the other five lose all their remaining fish anyway and everyone dies.
aug 28, 2025, 3:01 pm • 10 0 • view
municipal budgets aren’t like fish on a deserted island
aug 29, 2025, 2:17 pm • 1 0 • view
You are also a fascist.
aug 29, 2025, 1:12 pm • 0 0 • view
This analogy is fucking stupid.
aug 28, 2025, 3:22 pm • 14 0 • view
Really cool metaphor, super fitting and not at all completely irrelevant to any real life situation.
aug 28, 2025, 3:00 pm • 12 0 • view
Lmfao there is no money? Are you for real? 🤡
aug 29, 2025, 4:57 pm • 1 0 • view
there is not enough money to keep all the hospitals open, it doesn't exist anymore the question that state governments have to answer now is which ones get whatever money is left and "the ones that serve those who voted to keep them open" is a perfectly fair answer
aug 28, 2025, 5:11 am • 561 35 • view
Not enough money based on what?
aug 30, 2025, 3:31 pm • 1 0 • view
Donald Trump and the Republican majorities in Congress yanked away a trillion dollars from Medicaid and Medicare, which many hospitals rely on to cover costs. States and counties simply don’t have enough funds to cover the loss.
aug 30, 2025, 4:00 pm • 15 0 • view
Okay well yes, so a policy choice, but not a “we don’t have the money”. I was having trouble interpreting what was meant.
aug 30, 2025, 5:52 pm • 1 0 • view
Of course the money exists. Every state in America has at least one billionaire, a wildly bloated police budget, and inflated Healthcare costs related (in part) to the refusal to mandate work-from-home (wherever possible) during flu season. To say "the money doesn't exist" is an insane statement.
aug 28, 2025, 4:51 pm • 2 0 • view
THEN TAKE THE FUCKING MONEY FROM BILLIONAIRES
aug 28, 2025, 4:27 pm • 3 0 • view
Money is just an expression of a society's will to get shit done. What you're saying is that we don't have the will to heal the sick, feed the hungry, or shelter the vulnerable. We only have the will to aid war crimes, crush civil liberties, and wring profit from the working class. Fuck you.
aug 28, 2025, 4:34 pm • 3 0 • view
“What you're saying is that we don't have the will to heal the sick, feed the hungry, or shelter the vulnerable” That’s correct, yes. Donald Trump and the Republican majorities don’t have the will or desire to do any of that. That’s why they stole a trillion dollars from Medicare and Medicaid.
aug 30, 2025, 4:13 pm • 6 0 • view
"there is not enough money" assumes that government budgets are carved in stone and the distribution of funding cannot be changed there is enough money, there is MORE than enough money, your premise is absurd
aug 28, 2025, 3:17 pm • 10 0 • view
His premise isn’t “The money is irrecoverably gone” but “The Republican Party, having diverted billions and billions of federal dollars from hospitals, will keep those federal dollars diverted as long as they’re in power”
aug 28, 2025, 6:42 pm • 13 0 • view
If my employer commits wage theft against me, it’d be correct to say that the money isn’t truly gone, but I’d still have to make choices about what to spend my now-limited funds on until I get those stolen wages back.
aug 28, 2025, 6:46 pm • 9 0 • view
for as long as Republicans have majorities in Congress that federal money is not coming back state budgets are in the short-run zero sum ergo some places will have to undergo budget cuts or closures
aug 28, 2025, 6:44 pm • 49 0 • view
"state budgets are in the short-run zero sum" this is just tax policy failure, this can be fixed in one legislative session if the political will exists
aug 28, 2025, 6:47 pm • 1 0 • view
i can promise you that the political will to find several billion dollars in new tax revenue overnight does not exist in the state of Michigan
aug 28, 2025, 6:49 pm • 59 0 • view
OK but that just means we’re facing slow (or rapid) social collapse. I don’t know where this stuff about ‘oh well…some people matter and other people were born in such-and-such place…’ I’m not getting what this adds to our understanding.
aug 31, 2025, 1:27 am • 0 0 • view
10 people have more money than everyone else on the planet. There is enough money. The US defense budget is over 1 trillion dollars. There is enough money. The trolley problem is solved by getting rid of the oligarchs holding the lever.
aug 28, 2025, 2:26 pm • 13 0 • view
okay well we'll reopen the rural hospitals when that happens, nice to work out a deal
aug 30, 2025, 4:07 pm • 14 0 • view
State governments can tax the rich to pay for hospitals.
aug 30, 2025, 6:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Get to it!
aug 30, 2025, 4:05 pm • 0 0 • view
Ok but I don’t think it’s possible for blue state governors to do that on their own, and in the meantime they need to make decisions about next years state budget.
aug 30, 2025, 5:16 pm • 2 0 • view
Noone can do it on their own. Neither capitalist parties will do it. It requires class consciousness.
aug 30, 2025, 6:47 pm • 0 0 • view
Ok i agree with that, but we’re talking about fiscal decisions that state governors need to make right now, not a hypothetical future in which a mobilized working class seizes control of the system. Do you understand the context that this conversation is happening in?
aug 30, 2025, 9:18 pm • 0 0 • view
Float bonds now raise taxes later to pay for them.
aug 30, 2025, 10:50 pm • 0 0 • view
You’re under the impression that there is political willpower for the state of Michigan to raise billions of dollars in taxes?
aug 30, 2025, 10:57 pm • 0 0 • view
They do it all the time for stadiums and amazon fulfilment centers
aug 30, 2025, 11:04 pm • 0 0 • view
Also, youd think it would be easy to get people to raise taxes on the rich to keep working people alive.
aug 30, 2025, 11:08 pm • 0 0 • view
Stop paying cops and investors. Problem solved.
aug 28, 2025, 3:32 pm • 7 0 • view
The money exists, it's just being sent to billionaires so they can get a higher score.
aug 30, 2025, 3:22 pm • 3 0 • view
No. There is plenty of money. Red states refuse to tax. Blue states don’t tax enough. The more than 800 billionaires and their price-gouging corporations are laughing at those who collaborate in making this so.
aug 30, 2025, 3:13 pm • 2 0 • view
Sounds like those rural counties that voted for Trump need to find their own funding
aug 30, 2025, 6:04 pm • 4 0 • view
There is no money because he wanted a plane, a ballroom, a gestapo, and to golf. Oh and a bank account that actually has $ in it.
aug 30, 2025, 3:44 pm • 4 0 • view
incorrect 🤷
aug 28, 2025, 6:28 pm • 1 0 • view
Here come the hot stovers looking to implement hot ovens on the ones they deem inferior
aug 29, 2025, 2:58 am • 1 0 • view
It isn’t, ghoul.
aug 28, 2025, 3:26 pm • 3 0 • view
Ok how about “the hospitals that serve the most people should receive the funding”?
aug 30, 2025, 5:19 pm • 2 0 • view
Which people shouldn’t have access to hospitals?
aug 31, 2025, 8:34 pm • 0 0 • view
In a zero sum scenario in which federal cuts force me to choose which hospitals in my state I have to defund I would say: the ones for whom geographic location increases the cost of care per patient the most.
sep 1, 2025, 12:58 am • 1 0 • view
Yeah, this is called environmental injustice, and it's how you create cyclical poverty. In general, the impacts are felt most by already marginalized groups of people. Your idea is to employ a tool that aids white supremacy. It's how you show the world that you won't help anyone but yourself.
aug 28, 2025, 2:11 pm • 30 4 • view
The thing is that money does exist. It's currently being spent on building concentration camps and buying new toys for the dumbest guy from your class. I think that's the angle we should all be pushing here
aug 28, 2025, 8:37 am • 70 2 • view
Exactly. There's simultaneously "no money for teachers and medicine" but there is apparently money to give $50K signing bonuses to brownshirts and a few hundred million to give to Israel to murder children. The money is absolutely there, we need politicians who know that to get backbones.
aug 28, 2025, 2:25 pm • 4 0 • view
State governments, which are the ones being forced to make these decisions in this hypothetical, do not control how the federal government spends its money.
aug 28, 2025, 7:16 pm • 14 0 • view
Actually solid response. My response is that this is a national problem and the federal government should step in fix it. Until that happens, what programs do you think the state governments should cut to pay for this?
aug 28, 2025, 11:49 pm • 3 0 • view
And you think it will be easier to connect the collapse of the hospital system to the concentration camps in the minds of rural voters if both consequences are suffered exclusively by communities they openly disdain and they are completely insulated? This is the thinking that brought us here.
aug 30, 2025, 3:30 pm • 0 0 • view
State government cannot stop the federal government from spending on concentration camps. They have to decide how to spend the money they do have
aug 28, 2025, 6:05 pm • 18 0 • view
Very fair point. Another poster brought this up and here's my response bsky.app/profile/opus...
aug 28, 2025, 11:50 pm • 1 0 • view
Rural hospitals.
aug 30, 2025, 3:31 pm • 1 0 • view
Most of the major categories are good and probably all of those will have to be cut anyway! OP is right that those cuts should land on Republican voting areas most. Republicans are openly doing that to us and there's zero dissent among Republicans or fence sitters about it.
aug 29, 2025, 12:22 am • 12 0 • view
Yeah, I agree with OP. Without more Federal funding states have to be smart with their budgets. We should be fighting for the federal government to pay for hospitals instead of camps instead of fighting about which hospitals close first
aug 29, 2025, 12:25 am • 2 0 • view
Privatized healthcare companies have ample funds to buy land purely for investment purposes. They could fund rural hospitals if they wanted to, they just don’t want to
aug 28, 2025, 1:21 pm • 36 1 • view
Yeah. And they're the ones largely responsible for this situation in the first place, too. They spent the 90s and the 00s closing most of the rural hospitals down, consolidating them in large regional hospital hubs that rely on medicare funding to exist, & spent the "saving" funding Republicans.
aug 31, 2025, 1:46 am • 1 0 • view
Saying a private healthcare company could fund a rural hospital is like saying a hyena *could* give a dead gazelle a dignified burial. Like, yeah? I guess it could theoretically?
aug 30, 2025, 3:53 pm • 2 0 • view
I agree, we should have a nationalized healthcare system that ensures these rural areas have adequate infrastructure, as has been the case for longer than you or I have been alive. pestakeholder.org/media_covera...
aug 30, 2025, 7:08 pm • 0 0 • view
A private company would never open a rural hospital. A modern hospital takes tens of millions to build and millions to maintain. You need hundreds of thousands of potential customers, who don't exist in rural areas, to recoup your investment.
aug 28, 2025, 11:44 pm • 16 0 • view
Like sure, big insurance has the capital, but it's a company not a charity. Any CEO that attempted this would be fired and sued for neglecting their fiduciary duty. These kinds of trade odds will always have to be made by governments
aug 28, 2025, 11:44 pm • 10 0 • view
Seriously what kind of psychopath would think that public services should be run to make a profit?
aug 28, 2025, 11:59 pm • 2 0 • view
Who's talking about public services? You suggested private insurance should fix this problem while I asserted only the state has an incentive to provide public services
aug 29, 2025, 12:02 am • 17 0 • view
Customers? Fuck off with your bullshit man
aug 28, 2025, 11:58 pm • 0 0 • view
You're talking about the actions of a private company. I am explaining how a private company would approach making that decision
aug 29, 2025, 12:03 am • 2 0 • view
“Anything we can actually do we can afford”
aug 30, 2025, 3:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Listen, if you’re hellbent on killing a bunch of people, why don’t you at least direct that energy towards people actually in office or who have tons of money so that way we can solve two problems
aug 28, 2025, 2:58 pm • 6 0 • view
It is but you don’t even need to go there. “The ones that serve the largest number of patients” gets the same result.
aug 30, 2025, 3:34 pm • 9 0 • view
my bloodless technocratic heart thinks the correct answer is whichever hospitals serve the most number of people, but that's probably the same list as your answer...
aug 28, 2025, 8:16 pm • 16 0 • view
What is fair about someone being deprived of aid because of where they happen to live?
aug 28, 2025, 1:25 pm • 11 0 • view
It is fair because they either voted for this or are in the best position to get their dimwited neighbors to stop voting for it. But at this point urban areas are totally in the right to give up on regions that keep asking for pain.
aug 30, 2025, 10:44 pm • 2 0 • view
People aren't responsible for the actions of their neighbours. If they were then any American deserves everything they get under a trump admin because they either voted for it or failed to stop it.
aug 31, 2025, 12:55 am • 1 0 • view
No, and that is why rural areas have been happily subsidized by urban areas for decades, bc it is the right thing to do. But it is the representatives of those rural areas that voted to cut off the funding that enabled that subsidy. There simply isn't the money anymore.
aug 31, 2025, 1:58 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah there is
aug 31, 2025, 5:24 am • 0 0 • view
It’s not. That’s why more efficient urban hospitals which can support more people should not be cut in favor of rural hospitals. That would raise the total amount of deprivation in the system and implicitly elevate the value of life in rural areas over others.
aug 30, 2025, 3:36 pm • 2 0 • view
None of them should be cut.
aug 30, 2025, 6:11 pm • 0 0 • view
Too late. The cuts already happened. It’s all about allocation now.
aug 31, 2025, 7:06 am • 0 0 • view
Thst is no longer an option.
aug 30, 2025, 10:30 pm • 3 0 • view
Sure it is.
aug 30, 2025, 10:32 pm • 0 0 • view
So where is the money to run them coming from now?
aug 30, 2025, 10:33 pm • 2 0 • view
It's not. Given the constraints of the current situation, it is nevertheless quite possibly the marginally least shitty of a constellation of shitty alternatives.
aug 28, 2025, 7:52 pm • 12 0 • view
"Social radical, political progressive"
aug 28, 2025, 2:53 pm • 5 0 • view
Think that bio may set a new record for mutually exclusive political terminology.
aug 28, 2025, 4:36 pm • 1 0 • view
MONEY ISN'T REAL. This isn't a Monopoly game. Grow the fuck up and educate yourself.
aug 28, 2025, 1:55 pm • 15 0 • view
monney is a socially agreed eqquivalent to trade for goods and services doesnt matter if it isnt real, society agrees that it is so get with thhe program there is no money
aug 30, 2025, 5:54 pm • 4 0 • view
not to the FEDERAL government perhaps
aug 28, 2025, 5:58 pm • 9 0 • view
are birds real?
aug 28, 2025, 5:57 pm • 12 0 • view
Are you okay? Do you not know the difference between what is real and what isn't?
aug 29, 2025, 1:05 pm • 0 0 • view
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aug 28, 2025, 1:21 pm • 9 0 • view
Money is not a rescourse like food, you can literally just get more money as the United States government. They always do once they have a war to go to, it's quite vile of you to act like it's simply a lack of money to fund a hospital
aug 28, 2025, 2:42 pm • 4 0 • view
So why are hospitals shutting down? Are rural americans just stupid?
aug 28, 2025, 3:59 pm • 3 0 • view
They're shutting down because the federal government is reducing what it covers, which is where rural hospitals get a lot of their money.
aug 28, 2025, 4:07 pm • 6 0 • view
Some people, like you, have gotten so used to america being a hegemon with unlimited credit and a functional federal government and cannot fathom the fact that that is no longer the case.
aug 28, 2025, 5:44 pm • 3 0 • view
Do you think we aren't still shoveling money into Israel
aug 28, 2025, 6:00 pm • 0 0 • view
Do you think this government is going to stop doing that
aug 28, 2025, 6:00 pm • 1 0 • view
Maybe if you yell at liberals on bluesky even harder, the republican party will decide to stop deliberately immiserating and oppressing the whole nation
aug 28, 2025, 6:01 pm • 2 0 • view
The thing I was "yelling" at liberals for was making apalogia for it, normalizing it, just as they do with many other atrocities that the Democrats enable the Republicans to do
aug 28, 2025, 6:04 pm • 1 0 • view
Are you fucking joking. You responded to "we dont have enough money to keep these hospitals open at the state level" with "uhhh dont you know the fed can just print money" Shut the fuck up, idiot.
aug 28, 2025, 6:05 pm • 1 0 • view
I didn't say print, and even on a state level there's still other things they could cut before hospitals, just stop funding the cops lol
aug 28, 2025, 6:07 pm • 1 0 • view
You'll be ok with about 6% more crime, trust me
aug 28, 2025, 6:08 pm • 1 0 • view
No, that's what my criticism was. It has the money, it just doesn't want to spend it on actually good things. This was the case before Trump, he has only made the problem worse.
aug 28, 2025, 6:02 pm • 0 0 • view
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aug 28, 2025, 6:04 pm • 2 0 • view
states and local governments do not print money
aug 28, 2025, 6:00 pm • 24 0 • view
I am neither talking about states or local governments
aug 28, 2025, 6:00 pm • 3 0 • view
this was about the state of michigan
aug 28, 2025, 6:15 pm • 24 0 • view
Ok then you’re having a different conversation than OP.
aug 30, 2025, 5:18 pm • 3 0 • view
"oh but what about rural Dems or children" again: there. is. no. money. every rural doctor you pay is an urban doctor you don't explain to me why the 100 children of Fucksville are worth more than the 100,000 children of Shitsburg
aug 28, 2025, 5:18 am • 388 15 • view
There's plenty of money you fucking doorknob.
aug 29, 2025, 11:37 am • 2 0 • view
Sorry im having trouble hearing you over all the police helicopters and tanks, could you please say that again
aug 28, 2025, 2:47 pm • 83 3 • view
brooooo
aug 28, 2025, 3:16 pm • 21 0 • view
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory then kicking a poor person because you lost
aug 28, 2025, 3:41 pm • 39 1 • view
Bulwark I remember this dummy from twitter he's always had complete shit takes
aug 28, 2025, 4:18 pm • 8 0 • view
I'm pretty sure he scrubbed it but I distinctly remember this dude from twitter. He was defending coercing struggling tenants into sexual favors as a win/win.
aug 28, 2025, 10:37 pm • 7 0 • view
There not being money is a deliberate choice, Cameron.
aug 28, 2025, 3:06 pm • 20 0 • view
A choice made by the people rural areas voted for.
aug 28, 2025, 5:40 pm • 7 0 • view
So fucking what. If we are supposed to be better than they are, why be worse or the same.
aug 28, 2025, 5:54 pm • 4 0 • view
Because we aren't in charge right now and don't get a choice.
aug 29, 2025, 8:36 pm • 0 0 • view
This isnt party politics, it's the politics of capital and wouldn't change with a different color palette.
aug 29, 2025, 8:46 pm • 0 0 • view
Then why are the rural hospitals that will need to close currently open? If funding is being cut off, who turned it on?
aug 30, 2025, 3:39 pm • 0 0 • view
Do you really think that you should make Health Care a partisan issue
aug 30, 2025, 3:40 pm • 0 0 • view
No, so it's a good thing I didn't actually do that, isn't it? I'm glad we both agree Republicans did a bad thing. GOP turned healthcare into a partisan issue by w/holding hospital funds that used to be appropriated on a bipartisan basis. Recognizing a problem isn't the same as creating it.
aug 30, 2025, 6:47 pm • 1 0 • view
That's rejecting reality in favor of nihilism. The other party has spent 30 years trying to get more people health care despite it losing them votes. Being angry is good. Getting tricked into thinking your allies are actually the same as your enemies is not.
aug 29, 2025, 8:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Its not a trick. We aren't a factor. If they are your enemies, be better than they are.
aug 29, 2025, 8:50 pm • 0 0 • view
Be better how? Over-ruling the elected government? You are missing the whole 'one side decided to do this, the other side opposed but has no power to stop it' reality.
aug 29, 2025, 8:55 pm • 0 0 • view
They go low we go high ( unless we're doing murder)
aug 28, 2025, 5:55 pm • 3 0 • view
They go low and bear the consequences of choosing to live in a flood zone.
aug 28, 2025, 6:02 pm • 1 0 • view
Suck a dick you bloodthirsty twat.
aug 28, 2025, 6:03 pm • 1 0 • view
I live where I live because I'm too poor to move. This is very common if you'd talk to like one person outside your circle
aug 28, 2025, 6:08 pm • 4 0 • view
Made by the people that the rural areas voted for. The only way it gets reversed is if congress does so.
aug 28, 2025, 5:04 pm • 17 0 • view
So what. If we are supposed to be better than they are, why be worse or the same? If you turn into a monster to defeat a monster, you're just the next monster to be defeated.
aug 28, 2025, 5:55 pm • 2 0 • view
Who are the evil rurals supposed to vote for in a state like Alabama where 80-90% of elections are unooposed? Why aren't you more interested in killing people in the suburbs which have 10x the Trump voters?
aug 28, 2025, 7:29 pm • 4 0 • view
Trump did not run unopposed in Alabama Neither did Tommy Tuberville or Katie Britt, come the fuck on
aug 30, 2025, 3:02 pm • 8 0 • view
What? The value of my life should not be dependent on where I live. Is this what people are FOR now? We’re ALL going to do the Donald Trump thing of ranking people’s value based on arbitrary characteristics?
aug 31, 2025, 1:25 am • 1 0 • view
Been seeing this argument a bit recently and apparently it's a case of "yes Timmy, the billionaires always need more, so pay up." There is actually plenty of money, but it's easier to pretend there isn't rather than ask why billionaire wealth doubled over the past 10yrs.
aug 31, 2025, 1:42 am • 2 0 • view
Red state/blue state thing doesn’t make sense for one. E.g., TX is a dictatorship but 100% split down the middle. Same with many other states. Also WHEN do you say ‘red state’ about a state? And WHY? This is 100% just throw people in the South under the bus. OK, who ARE the poor people in Georgia?
aug 31, 2025, 2:40 am • 1 0 • view
And ofc, arguing to ration medical care by regional voting pattern while a fascist is in office is certainly a choice, but probably not one that will go well for those that didn't vote for the fascist. It's all a bit of a moot point really, the fascist's gov will decide who to sacrifice - everyone.
aug 31, 2025, 5:20 am • 1 0 • view
💔 true
aug 31, 2025, 6:00 am • 1 0 • view
You’re a monster who doesn’t deserve compassion
aug 28, 2025, 2:00 pm • 23 0 • view
bro just tax the rich and deflate the budget of military by 1%. theres your budget stop saying that rural people arent worth the effort
aug 28, 2025, 3:01 pm • 17 1 • view
Decrease military funding from the position of…state governments?
aug 28, 2025, 5:48 pm • 25 0 • view
you do know federal money gets sent to states, yeh? you ever heard of federalism?
aug 28, 2025, 8:12 pm • 1 0 • view
do we control the Federal government. As in, does the Democratic party control any branch of the Federal government that would allow us to move more money to the states right now
aug 28, 2025, 8:13 pm • 9 0 • view
The problem is that the entire federal budget is in the hands of Bad People. We can lament that but we cannot ignore it when we assess the tools available to us
aug 28, 2025, 8:14 pm • 8 0 • view
defund the... Michigan National Guard childcare program? make more veterans homeless, i guess?
aug 28, 2025, 6:30 pm • 15 0 • view
It's almost like you love in a world where republicans don't exist. It's not like the rest of us get a choice about this. They already made that choice for us. Blame them.
aug 29, 2025, 8:35 pm • 0 0 • view
i do, but being snide about their injustices isnt helping the situation you have to admit there is a vibe amongst liberals to say “fuck everyone in red districts.” which like, from an empathy perspective is so broken
aug 29, 2025, 8:40 pm • 0 0 • view
We've put up with 30 years of red districts being loud and proud about "fuck the cities and everyone in them". The liberal vibes mirroring that seem like another example of chickens coming home to roost.
aug 29, 2025, 8:47 pm • 1 0 • view
those rural people voted to not do that, dumbass also state military budgets lmao
aug 28, 2025, 5:49 pm • 9 0 • view
Democrats try to not be worse than republicans challenge level impossible.
aug 28, 2025, 5:56 pm • 1 0 • view
I hate democrats more than republicans because they're not nice enough to republicans. I'm a leftist btw
aug 29, 2025, 2:59 am • 1 0 • view
damn you really dont give a fuck about queer or black folks in rural areas, and it shows. also folks who voter against their own interests dont deserve to die, dude have some goddamn compassion on top of that offhanded comment ab military- you think federal money isnt funneled to the states?
aug 28, 2025, 8:10 pm • 1 0 • view
in 1942 you'd be crying about how we're not filling up our B-17s with Christmas presents for all those poor anti-Nazi Germans
aug 29, 2025, 2:57 am • 0 0 • view
the us economy is not a household budget
aug 28, 2025, 2:24 pm • 126 1 • view
States can't print money and the Medicaid cuts are law now.
aug 28, 2025, 2:35 pm • 41 0 • view
oh well we should give up then
aug 28, 2025, 2:36 pm • 86 0 • view
States can't pick up the slack so your next option is negotiating with fascists in Congress to unfuck the mess they made. If you know a better choice, I'm all ears.
aug 28, 2025, 2:45 pm • 31 0 • view
well if we get rid of the fascists, which is all of America, then we don't even have to have a debate about "per state resources" cause we've killed the empire and can move on, finally
aug 28, 2025, 3:19 pm • 3 0 • view
lol And I'm the psychopath here. Okay.
aug 28, 2025, 3:25 pm • 2 0 • view
why should it keep existing?
aug 28, 2025, 3:28 pm • 5 0 • view
Nice bait
aug 28, 2025, 4:11 pm • 0 0 • view
no, seriously, America should stop existing, I think that would help a lot
aug 28, 2025, 4:15 pm • 2 0 • view
I applaud you for committing to the bait!
aug 28, 2025, 4:15 pm • 1 0 • view
It’s not bait. Land Back, jackass.
aug 29, 2025, 2:22 am • 0 0 • view
Your lack of imagination is concerning
aug 28, 2025, 3:04 pm • 47 0 • view
So do you have any specific ideas to share?
aug 28, 2025, 3:56 pm • 27 0 • view
Massive cuts to non-rural medical facilities or hoping Republicans come to their senses but they aren't going to say that.
aug 28, 2025, 4:11 pm • 17 0 • view
massive cuts to police budgets to save lives instead
aug 28, 2025, 4:30 pm • 38 0 • view
But they want the secret third thing!
aug 29, 2025, 10:54 pm • 0 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/elan...
aug 28, 2025, 6:46 pm • 2 0 • view
Typical leftist move to complain about a problem without offering a single solution
aug 29, 2025, 12:49 am • 1 0 • view
Does your imagination concoct firebombing a Walmart or.....?
aug 31, 2025, 12:42 am • 0 0 • view
Why are you out here saying it's time to just let people die? This is why no one likes the Democrats.
aug 28, 2025, 3:07 pm • 13 0 • view
I'm not the one who put us in this spot, chief. Zero Democrats in Congress voted for these cuts. You're asking them to find bipartisan solutions with fascists in Congress. Might as well be mad at gravity.
aug 28, 2025, 3:24 pm • 4 0 • view
Yeah, they should just stop going to work. Maybe send more texts asking for money. That's why their approval ratings are so high.
aug 28, 2025, 3:31 pm • 10 0 • view
They should stop cooperating with fascists in Congress and state legislatures. Something you seem to favor.
aug 28, 2025, 3:39 pm • 3 0 • view
Why is the only option states allocating their existing state budgets for Medicaid more narrowly? Why is changing how much of the state budget is for healthcare not an option? It doesn’t make up for the federal loss but why are we acting like if they can’t pick up all the slack they pick up none?
aug 29, 2025, 2:32 am • 1 0 • view
Hey buddy, you're spending your time writing US Politics/Han Dynasty fan fiction bsky.app/profile/shuc... Seems like you gave up being a productive member of society a long time ago
aug 29, 2025, 12:56 am • 0 0 • view
"productivity" is boomer puritanical bullshit, how's your 401K working out for you
aug 29, 2025, 12:57 am • 4 0 • view
Damn guess all those poor people deserve to die then, clearly there's nothing to be done
aug 28, 2025, 2:37 pm • 17 0 • view
Should I be against cutting aid to Israel because 20% of them don't support genocide?
aug 28, 2025, 2:46 pm • 3 0 • view
It must rock to be this fucking stupid
aug 28, 2025, 2:48 pm • 21 0 • view
Like yeah man, you got me, foreign military aid is exactly the same as funding for medical care in rural communities. You are very clever and totally not a knuckle dragging halfwit
aug 28, 2025, 2:48 pm • 17 0 • view
I'm fine with cutting off Iron Dome funding even if it means Bibi's opponents would get hurt. Again, the cuts are already law and states can't entirely self-fund Medicaid. Bad choices will have to be made.
aug 28, 2025, 2:55 pm • 1 0 • view
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aug 28, 2025, 2:56 pm • 12 0 • view
Lmao this guy doesn't have time to think of a way to find rural hospitals but he does have time to write Modern US Politics/Han Dynasty fan fiction bsky.app/profile/shuc... Leftists are a joke
aug 29, 2025, 12:55 am • 0 0 • view
All you do with your time is make posts no one likes.
aug 29, 2025, 4:07 am • 9 0 • view
You have literally thousands more posts than me
aug 29, 2025, 4:13 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah and people like me.
aug 29, 2025, 4:14 am • 8 0 • view
"i expect more from random shitposters than my elected leaders" 🆗
aug 29, 2025, 12:57 am • 24 0 • view
He isn't a sitting congressional official you dog brained lunatic
aug 29, 2025, 2:53 am • 9 0 • view
why isnt there money cameron
aug 28, 2025, 2:47 pm • 19 0 • view
Cause Michigan state legislature hates raising taxes
aug 28, 2025, 4:01 pm • 0 0 • view
i bet theres many more reasons than that
aug 28, 2025, 4:04 pm • 0 0 • view
goose chasing man meme.jpg
aug 28, 2025, 2:49 pm • 6 0 • view
because Republicans in the Senate voted to take it away you follow the news lately?
aug 28, 2025, 4:16 pm • 22 0 • view
oh well if they vote to kill everyone i guess we just have to let it happen. like how the democratic leadership just allowed him to take office and do these things, and still are
aug 28, 2025, 4:22 pm • 8 0 • view
this is why people call you a bootlicker bud. you see that the game is rigged and choose to respect it and keep playing under the pretense that surely once your team gets control they will unrig it, when there is not even the slightest precedent for that
aug 28, 2025, 4:41 pm • 4 0 • view
yeah remember the bipartisan effort to prop up free public healthcare for israel? imagine if they funded their own healthcare infrastructure and we funded ours!
aug 28, 2025, 6:20 pm • 4 1 • view
the untermenschen must die, so the Reich might live! why cant these darned commies understand!
aug 28, 2025, 4:29 pm • 7 0 • view
Cuba figured this out just fine, 80 years ago.
aug 29, 2025, 7:14 am • 0 0 • view
aug 31, 2025, 3:34 am • 0 0 • view
You should expand this a bit more, think instead of Red states V Blue states think the World V the United States. If everyone agreed on the latter would you be okay? Every American disenfranchised for the actions of their leaders?
aug 28, 2025, 2:32 pm • 15 0 • view
A shocking amount US democratic party supporters basically believe the same stuff JD Vance does, weird!
aug 28, 2025, 2:52 pm • 5 0 • view
Have you not noticed that this is exactly what is currently happening? It's not a hypothetical.
aug 29, 2025, 8:38 pm • 2 0 • view
What if instead of posting this you deleted your account and also went and fucked yourself?
aug 28, 2025, 5:16 pm • 8 0 • view
@mcuban.bsky.social Hey Mark is there enough money
aug 28, 2025, 6:21 pm • 0 0 • view
The number of people replying to this as if it’s a hypothetical and not *what is happening right now* is astounding. Yes, theoretically the federal government can provide healthcare to everyone, even shithead republicans. Here in reality, the shithead republicans in charge just decided not to.
aug 30, 2025, 5:01 pm • 6 0 • view
This is ridiculous and untrue.
aug 30, 2025, 6:05 pm • 3 0 • view
Just another centrist pleading federal poverty as a stalking-horse for social Darwinism. There always seems to be plenty. of. money. for missiles and cops tho, right?
aug 28, 2025, 2:33 pm • 35 0 • view
Expect it's not federal. It's state.
aug 31, 2025, 12:53 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah. Why? Because the Republicans decided that we would have cops and missiles but not hospitals. Who put the Republicans into power? The people who are going to be hurt the most from the lack of rural hospitals.
aug 29, 2025, 8:32 pm • 8 0 • view
Gee, it's almost like you ignored the 'how much money is going to hospitals' and 'who voted to cut hospitals' points completely in favor of talking about military spending. Hospitals aren't closing because of money to military. They are closing because of cuts to health care.
aug 29, 2025, 8:53 pm • 8 0 • view
The decision to have missiles and cops was bipartisan. Thus, you are wrong. Deal with it.
aug 29, 2025, 8:55 pm • 1 0 • view
That decision is irrelevant to cutting health care funding. You want it to be a tradeoff. It isn't a tradeoff. It is two separate choices because we do deficit spending. We can have both, or neither, or just one.
aug 29, 2025, 8:57 pm • 1 0 • view
JFC, get real. Every thinking person knows that deficit-spending pressure to keep social spending down means more money for defense and law enforcement.
aug 29, 2025, 9:07 pm • 1 0 • view
"pressure" is just rhetoric. Conservative rhetoric. There's no actual linkage or reason to link the two. Plus, you missed the tax cuts. This is rich republicans not wanting to pay for poor people. No more, no less.
aug 29, 2025, 9:20 pm • 2 0 • view
gee I wonder why there's no money www.hrw.org/news/2024/04...
aug 28, 2025, 2:38 pm • 24 0 • view
You must have missed the republican budget that is actually doing the removing money from hospitals thing.
aug 29, 2025, 8:33 pm • 5 0 • view
Republicans have no agency and can never be held accountable, apparently.
aug 30, 2025, 4:24 pm • 1 0 • view
The money exists.
aug 28, 2025, 7:38 pm • 7 0 • view
Yeah. It's just illegal to spend it on hospitals because those are the choices the republicans have made.
aug 29, 2025, 8:40 pm • 5 0 • view
I love that my kids have to suffer so my neighbors can resent democrats even more
aug 29, 2025, 7:28 pm • 1 0 • view
I think we could find the money for all the children, actually, you fucking ghoul.
aug 28, 2025, 2:42 pm • 24 0 • view
Justify it however you want but I think you know exactly what you're saying
aug 29, 2025, 4:02 am • 0 0 • view
i reject the premise entirely. there's plenty of money and either you know that and you're an asshole, or you don't and you're a fucking idiot.
aug 28, 2025, 3:54 pm • 20 1 • view
There is only as much money as the republicans will allocate. Of course there's more money. It doesn't change the fact that there is no money for hospitals. Because of Republicans.
aug 29, 2025, 8:34 pm • 0 0 • view
where is the state of Michigan supposed to find several extra billion dollars a year
aug 28, 2025, 3:57 pm • 19 0 • view
State troopers is a billion right there.
aug 28, 2025, 5:53 pm • 8 0 • view
Why do you all have this same, completely unrealistic talking point? Does a single one of you have an actual solution?
aug 30, 2025, 4:27 pm • 0 0 • view
Why is that an unrealistic talking point? If you can explain to me how some dick writing a speeding ticket is more important than healthcare for Rural Americans I'd like to hear it.
aug 30, 2025, 6:17 pm • 1 0 • view
Well, I never said that and the fact that you think you have to put words in my mouth is pretty telling.
aug 30, 2025, 6:30 pm • 0 0 • view
What makes it unrealistic then. Do state troopers provide some function that local cops cant? Its not like I said that all cops are defunded. Do you have an actual defense of what you said?
aug 30, 2025, 6:43 pm • 1 0 • view
I try to not to put a dollar value on a child or any humans life but I’m built different. I don’t conflate a vote with whether a person should be denied basic human decency.
aug 28, 2025, 7:23 pm • 3 1 • view
I mean, I’d posit that they’re of equal worth, but I’m just a silly man out here whose brain isn’t rotted through by The Discourse.
aug 28, 2025, 8:22 pm • 3 0 • view
the money is being hoarded by the 1%. Your analogy would work better if there was also somebody on the island with more fish than they could ever possibly eat who refused to share
aug 29, 2025, 5:35 am • 0 0 • view
Since everyone here is twisting your argument in the most uncharitable way imaginable, it’s only fair that I restate their position in equally bad faith: They want thousands of Inner City Minorities to die so a few old trump supporters in the middle of nowhere can live a few more years
aug 29, 2025, 4:45 am • 10 0 • view
1% of the population controls 99% of the wealth. A lack of money is not the fucking problem.
aug 29, 2025, 2:59 am • 3 0 • view
Right. It's the republicans who are making the laws that say we cannot fund healthcare. They decided people are going to die so they can look tough. All we can do is try to minimize those deaths. Which is what keeping the urban hospitals open would do.
aug 29, 2025, 8:43 pm • 3 0 • view
Is it right to kill someone if they live in a red county/state/nation?
aug 28, 2025, 4:54 pm • 39 0 • view
of course not
aug 28, 2025, 4:55 pm • 16 0 • view
So why are you proposing to do just that?
aug 28, 2025, 4:57 pm • 56 0 • view
do you not understand how state budgets work? do you think Michigan is capable of replacing all the federal money they've lost?
aug 30, 2025, 5:26 pm • 0 0 • view
The republicans made it law to do so. We are proposing to minimize the impacts of that vote.
aug 29, 2025, 8:30 pm • 2 0 • view
do you think doctors are killing people in hospitals when there's not enough kidneys to go around?
aug 28, 2025, 4:57 pm • 31 0 • view
Huh, are you pretending that you are like pro-health care. You are a liberal. You do not support health care. You are the anti-health care people. You don't even let people have fucking insulin. Why are you talking about kidneys when people are dying in your state from not having insulin?
aug 29, 2025, 1:53 am • 18 0 • view
Wish granted.
aug 29, 2025, 1:39 am • 13 0 • view
I mean given that some in organ procurement already prematurely pushes families to terminate life sustaining measures in order to get the organs, this is an interesting question to ask www.nytimes.com/2025/07/20/u...
aug 29, 2025, 2:09 am • 3 1 • view
Do you even have a reason to be a liberal or do you just do it for the love of the game? You know they hate nonwhite people right?
aug 29, 2025, 5:34 am • 2 0 • view
A doctor who only carries out kidney transplants on people they agree with politically is deliberately killing their political opponents yes.
aug 28, 2025, 4:59 pm • 72 0 • view
aug 31, 2025, 12:46 am • 0 0 • view
it's literally violence, why can people not understand this, with holding a human right to medical care, is violence, ESPECIALLY when it's politically motivated
aug 28, 2025, 5:09 pm • 46 1 • view
A few reasons. 1) People like this *love* austerity. 2) They're fine with violence against people weaker than them while being too afraid to punch upwards. 3) They really strongly believe in the Just World Fallacy so can't conceive how this could be immoral let alone backfire on them.
aug 28, 2025, 5:13 pm • 34 0 • view
Well, denying medical care to anybody, hurts everybody, I don't like them either, but the suggestion that we just let people rural or voted for or otherwise die in mass 'because dwindling resources' which will in turn cause more communicable disease problems for everyone.
aug 28, 2025, 5:17 pm • 20 0 • view
This isn't a scenario where you're saying " oops dwindling medical care we have to decide from worst to best who gets care first " OK FINE it's a scenario saying : well, if you're in a rural area, tough shit, you do not deserve rights because people in your area voted for this. NOT OK, EVIL
aug 28, 2025, 5:12 pm • 15 0 • view
withholding* those are not separate words autocorrect
aug 28, 2025, 5:10 pm • 7 0 • view
It’s a trolley cart.
aug 29, 2025, 2:04 am • 2 0 • view
If you're looking for people to kill, why aren't you killing people in the suburbs, which has 10x as many trump voters? (I dont think you should kill anybody. you're insane)
aug 28, 2025, 7:31 pm • 4 1 • view
We don't get a choice about that. The republicans made the laws; people are going to die because of those laws. The thing we are discussing is how to minimize those deaths.
aug 29, 2025, 8:41 pm • 1 0 • view
Suburbs use the services of the city they surround?( that’s kind of the whole point of suburbs)
aug 30, 2025, 4:50 pm • 1 0 • view
from you bitch we're gonna turn you upside down and shake the money out of your pockets, fuckman
aug 28, 2025, 6:51 pm • 1 0 • view
aug 31, 2025, 3:33 am • 0 0 • view
That is genuinely one of the stupidest things ever posted. You have no idea how literally anything works.
aug 29, 2025, 4:35 am • 6 0 • view
aug 31, 2025, 3:32 am • 0 0 • view
i don't know what the hell you're talking about but the words don't sound good to me.
aug 29, 2025, 8:54 am • 0 0 • view
Explain to me why they are worth less.
aug 28, 2025, 1:56 pm • 38 0 • view
Are you asking why 100,000 is a bigger number than 10,000?
aug 28, 2025, 3:57 pm • 27 0 • view
Nice try. You know exactly what I am asking. What makes the lives of 100k more valued than the lives of 10k? Most importantly WHY WOULD ANYONE SUGGEST THAT THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IS FORCED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THEM? If you hate poor children - you might want to ask yourself why.
aug 29, 2025, 1:11 pm • 0 0 • view
"There. is. no. money" Boy you'd love Javier Milei, thats his fucking motto (aside from screeching about freedom like a moron). You're in the richest country in the world parroting that moronic ass excuse? Give me a break lol What is wrong with you?
aug 29, 2025, 3:14 am • 8 0 • view
"There. is. no. money." Mmmmhmmmmm very interesting. Have you ever considered *WHY* there is no money????
aug 29, 2025, 3:49 am • 3 0 • view
Apologies for butting in but- On my end I live in an industrialized nation where we have actual nobility living in literal castles. There's outrageous sums going into the pockets of CEOs and corrupt politicians. We live in a post-scarcity society, the economic system requires artificial scarcity.
aug 28, 2025, 2:50 pm • 7 0 • view
Do we need more doctors? Educate them. Do we need more hospitals? Build them. The resources exist. A single Javelin missile was valued at $25 000 during the Iraq war if my memory isn't failing me.
aug 28, 2025, 2:51 pm • 10 1 • view
I can't find info on what it cost then, but they cost $80,000 today and calculating inflation for 2005 25k would be 41k today, and reddit says the price has stayed about the same
aug 28, 2025, 5:06 pm • 1 0 • view
The people voted in Republicans who don't really believe in investing in public infrastructure at all. We, who vote for people who actually care about our fellow Americans, shouldn't purposely reduce our capacity to provide this infrastructure now that Republicans are trying to totally kill it.
aug 28, 2025, 7:23 pm • 8 0 • view
You live in one of the richest countries that's ever existed, tax billionaires.
aug 28, 2025, 3:31 pm • 14 0 • view
(Also you have a military budget of over $900. This is like the candles budget dude except it's not a joke and your children really are dying.)
aug 28, 2025, 3:34 pm • 13 1 • view
State governments cannot cut the military budget
aug 28, 2025, 6:04 pm • 12 0 • view
My point is that the money exists in the US, it's not that the money isn't there, it's that the political will is not. The issue isn't lack of money, it's that it's being spent on keeping rich people rich & bombs instead of on healthcare, & that's true under D & R admins alike 🤷🏻
aug 29, 2025, 8:15 am • 2 0 • view
No, Republicans passed the Big Beautiful Bill
aug 29, 2025, 11:26 am • 2 0 • view
Yup. They spend more on military than the next 17 countries COMBINED, and people are out here saying there's no money for hospitals? Come on.
aug 28, 2025, 7:44 pm • 4 0 • view
If the federal government wanted to cut military spending to support healthcare programs presumably it would not have cut healthcare spending
aug 28, 2025, 8:56 pm • 1 0 • view
Yeah that's the point.
aug 29, 2025, 8:15 am • 2 0 • view
Which is a fascinating way of pretending that democrats are responsible for things they have literally no control over.
aug 29, 2025, 8:39 pm • 0 0 • view
money is fake. made up. not real. we can print all of it we want anytime we want to. the allocation of resources is real and the money is a means by which to do that. every rural doctor you decide not to fund is a choice to kill rural people for NO reason except you hate them
aug 28, 2025, 2:37 pm • 35 6 • view
Came here to say this. It's all some fake bullshit we invented to justify why one group deserves to live and others don't. "Well, you see, those people over there didn't work enough, so therefor their kids deserve to starve while we have more than enough because we worked hard, we're good people"
aug 28, 2025, 3:47 pm • 9 1 • view
I got a question Cameron. Do you think we should shoot all the people who made us make this decision? Like should we kill them and take their money instead? Would that be a better option?
aug 28, 2025, 3:57 pm • 10 1 • view
No money bacause we gave it all to Israel so that they can murder children
aug 28, 2025, 2:11 pm • 22 0 • view
vile
aug 28, 2025, 2:17 pm • 38 0 • view
aug 29, 2025, 10:21 am • 0 0 • view
It’s more like every rural doctor you pay is 1.5 urban doctors you can’t pay, given how much more you have to pay to convince professionals to move to the middle of nowhere, and the intrinsic higher overhead of rural healthcare.
aug 28, 2025, 2:55 pm • 7 0 • view
Explain to me why we can't do both in the richest country in the world. Explain to me why basic medical care isn't free in the richest country in the world. The money DOES exist. It is currently being used for other more horrible things, but it DOES exist.
aug 28, 2025, 1:47 pm • 170 2 • view
The parents of Fucksberg decided so.
aug 28, 2025, 4:13 pm • 32 0 • view
Explain to me why it's our fault that racist rural whites want to destroy modern society.
aug 28, 2025, 8:26 pm • 12 0 • view
more people voted not to do both, try to keep up
aug 30, 2025, 3:55 pm • 5 0 • view
Sure but this a conversation for when we control the federal government. We do not, currently
aug 28, 2025, 5:44 pm • 156 1 • view
exactly
aug 28, 2025, 8:14 pm • 54 1 • view
Well see, the solution is Medicare for All. How do we achieve that not controlling any branch of the Federal government or 1/2 of the states? Not my problem. I’ll just criticize the hard choices my blue state governor has to make to plug a $10 billion budget hole.
aug 28, 2025, 8:24 pm • 40 4 • view
BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS RUN BY FASCISTS
aug 28, 2025, 3:58 pm • 192 0 • view
This problem existed before the fascists took over
aug 29, 2025, 11:37 am • 2 0 • view
That doesn't mean we should be just consigning those in rural areas to death, you fucking moron. If you're gonna fight at all for keeping hospitals open, you must not be discriminatory in that. That would be completely unconscionable.
aug 29, 2025, 9:11 am • 0 0 • view
Too fuckin bad, the fed took the money away, there are going to be a lot of people who get absolutely fucked over by that.
aug 29, 2025, 1:35 pm • 4 0 • view
And yet you must fight for ALL of them nonetheless.
aug 29, 2025, 2:41 pm • 1 0 • view
"Fighting" does not generate the billions of dollars necessary to keep rural hospitals open
aug 29, 2025, 2:42 pm • 6 0 • view
I never said it did. What I said was that you can't just bail out on rural hospitals and wash your hands of responsibility the way OP wants to do.
aug 29, 2025, 2:43 pm • 0 0 • view
You can and that is likely what will happen because otherwise you have to take that money from somewhere else that already needs it. What should get gutted in order to keep these rural hospitals open? What tradeoffs are you willing to endorse to subsidize these areas?
aug 29, 2025, 2:45 pm • 1 0 • view
This is a question of resources, not willpower
aug 29, 2025, 2:42 pm • 5 0 • view
FUCKING PAY ATTENTION
aug 28, 2025, 3:58 pm • 106 0 • view
JESUS CHRIST YES I AM AWARE CAN WE PLEASE STOP YELLING
aug 28, 2025, 4:04 pm • 23 0 • view
No, you are not fucking aware. You would not be asking such a fucking stupid question if you spent even five goddamn seconds thinking about what is actively happening right before your own fucking eyes. Jesus christ I am so sick of this shit.
aug 28, 2025, 4:05 pm • 30 0 • view
aug 29, 2025, 10:35 am • 0 0 • view
You started it
aug 30, 2025, 3:23 pm • 0 0 • view
No it seems like you have no fucking idea what people are talking about
aug 28, 2025, 7:07 pm • 87 0 • view
But maybe if they say they’re sorry for being hurt, they’ll have that moment with their dad they always wanted.
aug 29, 2025, 10:53 pm • 0 0 • view
"Ah jeez we gotta fascist government. Well at least it's rural people dying first!"
aug 29, 2025, 3:08 am • 1 0 • view
did i say any of that. you put it in quotes. did i say that.
aug 29, 2025, 3:20 am • 9 0 • view
Yes, coward
aug 29, 2025, 3:24 am • 0 0 • view
Oh okay so youre a fucking liar, nice to know I can dismiss everything you say
aug 29, 2025, 3:25 am • 5 0 • view
Managed to spin “we can’t have urban and rural healthcare because fascists run the government” and “it must suck to live where they’re shutting down hospitals” into “wow why are you taking a victory lap on the future graves of rural Americans you classist genocider,” what a vivid imagination
aug 30, 2025, 11:01 pm • 0 0 • view
would it be better if it was urban people who mostly voted against dying first
aug 29, 2025, 3:42 am • 5 0 • view
hot take: it would be better if it was fascists dying first, and it would be better if we were the ones actually doing it, instead of sitting on the internet fantasizing about who we’d be okay with if they maybe potentially happened to die, like absolute losers
aug 29, 2025, 6:08 am • 2 0 • view
So are you planning to grab a gun or what, because some hospitals have to close we dont get to choose that anymore Luckily the modal ideology of rural americans is fascism
aug 29, 2025, 6:29 am • 4 0 • view
It Is good when fascists shoot at each other, yes.
aug 29, 2025, 3:52 am • 8 0 • view
Because fuck everyone relying on these hospitals that voted against this, yeah?
aug 29, 2025, 4:01 am • 0 0 • view
Wow sucks to be those guys, they should get out while they still can.
aug 29, 2025, 4:02 am • 6 0 • view
Many people aren't able to do that. You sound like Ben Shapiro saying that if the ocean level rises people living on the coast can just sell their houses, so we should do nothing to prevent or mitigate it from happening. But sure, I suppose they should have been born somewhere you care about.
aug 29, 2025, 4:08 am • 0 0 • view
Wow it *really* sucks to be those people.
aug 29, 2025, 4:09 am • 2 0 • view
We told them not to vote for the "Kill Everybody Party." They don't fucking listen to us.
aug 29, 2025, 4:10 am • 8 0 • view
It's either that or fuck over vastly more people who are more likely to be marginalized.
aug 29, 2025, 4:02 am • 4 0 • view
So rather than demand funding for hospitals you would rather just kill off who you consider undesirables? What a reasonable belief I'm sure you're a wonderful person to be around
aug 29, 2025, 4:09 am • 0 0 • view
I think white conservatives have to understand that consequences are real and not just for other people.
aug 29, 2025, 4:11 am • 8 0 • view
So why don't the fascist have any agency or responsibility for this?
aug 29, 2025, 3:41 am • 12 0 • view
Basado
aug 29, 2025, 3:42 am • 1 0 • view
“Explain to me why we can't do both in the richest country in the world. Explain to me why basic medical care isn't free in the richest country in the world.” Because then Black people would get it, and right-wing nuts cannot countenance that.
aug 30, 2025, 5:44 pm • 3 0 • view
Bank account empty bc fascist empty bank account
aug 30, 2025, 3:13 pm • 9 0 • view
because the representatives that people elected to make laws for them decided very specifically and deliberately to take that money away. Please try to keep up. www.congress.gov/bill/119th-c...
aug 30, 2025, 3:02 pm • 15 0 • view
Because, as you might have caught on to if you had followed the news at any point in the past 10 years, there are people stupid and evil enough to vote specifically against it. Enough, in fact, to put that exact kind of person in power with a trifecta
aug 28, 2025, 5:49 pm • 33 0 • view
We could. We chose to let people die, instead. The question now is where we go from here.
aug 30, 2025, 4:32 pm • 3 0 • view
Bc we decided not to
aug 30, 2025, 3:41 pm • 2 0 • view
You're absolutely right. There's plenty of money. It's just not being used to promote the general welfare. Even when Republicans pretended to support the Constitution, they never believed in that part.
aug 30, 2025, 6:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Agreed, just ask rural communities to raise property taxes. They definitely won’t call you stuck up liberal/leftists that want to kill them. They love raising taxes.
aug 29, 2025, 12:41 am • 11 0 • view
the federal government could easily do both. but the question that started this was "what should the state government do, since the America-haters that control the federal government have stolen the money that they could use to keep all the hospitals open?"
aug 30, 2025, 3:32 pm • 9 0 • view
...in a state with hospitals that are already denying life-saving care because of threats from the federal government talkingpointsmemo.com/news/univers...
aug 30, 2025, 3:37 pm • 6 0 • view
Because the conservative movement in this country is built on a foundation of racial grievance and they would rather die than admit that brown people are their equals. The money does exist, these people don’t want it because it will help the wrong people.
aug 28, 2025, 6:51 pm • 19 2 • view
We can’t do both because the people in question voted against doing both and won.
aug 28, 2025, 9:27 pm • 14 0 • view
"Explain to me why we can't do both in the richest country in the world." Because folks didn't vote for it. Next question.
aug 30, 2025, 4:04 pm • 4 0 • view
congress could undo the bill it passed 2 months ago that cut that funding, but right now the money that funds these hospitals does not exist
aug 30, 2025, 3:34 pm • 4 0 • view
My dude, that boat sailed when a bunch of people from rural red counties refused to vote for the nice competent black woman and instead elected a fascist.
aug 30, 2025, 8:05 pm • 1 0 • view
The greater D.C. area, the NYC metropolitan area, Minneapolis/St Paul, freaking PITTSBURGH, all have a crap-ton of hospitals. This is because there's already a pool of money and patients! Those docs are already getting paid! Hospitals in lower-populated areas need help! This is not a zero-sum game!
aug 28, 2025, 2:56 pm • 36 0 • view
Move to the city then, problem solved.
aug 28, 2025, 8:10 pm • 19 0 • view
I'm unwilling to assume that. There are lots of medicare people in cities and those hospitals will be affected just as much
aug 30, 2025, 3:10 pm • 6 0 • view
It quite literally is a zero sum game. I'm sorry, but that's the nature of rural areas. People are sparse and spread out. It costs *significantly more* per capita to get the same level of service and materials to rural hospitals. There's a reason Shanghai hukous are coveted in China.
aug 31, 2025, 4:01 am • 3 0 • view
Thus resources should be *better allocated* to emigrate people *OUT* of rural areas. It is not only more resource efficient and sustainable, but also insisting on stretching supply chains so that rural populations have equitable service to urban populations is *catastrophic* for the climate.
aug 31, 2025, 4:01 am • 0 0 • view
it is, quite literally, a zero sum game. it makes me wonder if maybe you don't know what "zero sum" means?
aug 30, 2025, 3:02 pm • 26 0 • view
When the party of rural people took the federal government and its borrowing power out of the system they literally made it a zero sum game because state and local governments have to balance their budgets. They did this because they understand it as zero-sum even with borrowing on the table.
aug 30, 2025, 3:22 pm • 12 0 • view
I am not willing to give up my access to doctors in a major metro area so some people who want me dead and my friends deported can get healthcare
aug 28, 2025, 5:51 pm • 63 2 • view
There is a doctor shortage that is quite literally zero sum and it’s going to get worse from our fascist fucking immigration policy
aug 28, 2025, 5:52 pm • 43 1 • view
Me when I have never heard of an urban hospital crisis
aug 28, 2025, 7:17 pm • 28 0 • view
i work at an urban hospital, specifically its cancer center, in Rochester NY. we serve a massive catchment of 27 counties. not just Monroe where the city is, but over a dozen rural counties where we have satellite clinics and rural hospitals.
aug 30, 2025, 4:11 pm • 5 0 • view
we depend on Medi funding to cover so many of our patients, both from in the city and our rural zones. our ERs have massive wait times. our hospital beds always full. constantly understaffed. we cannot endure closing a rural hospital and having to send more patients to the city one 1 hr away.
aug 30, 2025, 4:13 pm • 3 0 • view
we can’t handle it financially or staff wise. and the rural patients will suffer. we’ll lose cardiac patients. i have chemo patients driving here 95 min each way for a bi/weekly infusion bc our rural centers can’t accommodate all the patients and those sites may close.
aug 30, 2025, 4:14 pm • 4 0 • view
if @martyvburen.bsky.social thinks there isnt also an urban crisis or that the rural ones aren’t intimately linked to the urban ones, they’re just wrong.
aug 30, 2025, 4:15 pm • 5 0 • view
People seem ignorant about how a lot of urban hospitals rely heavily on Medicaid.
aug 28, 2025, 10:29 pm • 23 0 • view
Red states have policies that are not even functional. If left to their own devices, they could not exist as a society. They are literally the epitome of welfare queens that could not survive in the wild.
aug 30, 2025, 8:32 pm • 2 1 • view
‘Welfare queens’ —are you for real?
aug 31, 2025, 1:29 am • 0 0 • view
I don't know man, were those five tuna rotten? Smell bad? Did they help kill a bunch of people on another deserted island?
aug 28, 2025, 1:51 pm • 20 0 • view
Waste of perfectly good mercury smdh we could have started a thermometer factory in an underprivileged neighborhood of the island.
aug 28, 2025, 4:07 pm • 3 0 • view
Shut up.
aug 30, 2025, 4:07 pm • 3 0 • view