Ignorant commie murderer, capitalism was not even invented when those events you are attributing to it have occurred.
Ignorant commie murderer, capitalism was not even invented when those events you are attributing to it have occurred.
mm no I have never done any murders and “those events” occurred today, idiot baby Everyone who dies because they couldn’t afford health insurance. Everyone who dies in a cobalt or lithium mine. Everyone who dies of homelessness. Just one Polish anticommunist who isn’t a moron. Just ONE.
Everyone who died at Bhopal. Everyone who died from Fukushima. Everyone who died during the GWOT. Everyone killed by American soldiers during the Korean and Vietnam wars. Everyone killed by the Nazis. You know less than nothing, and you do not think.
Your standard “directly by capitalism” is meaningless cherry-picking, and by that standard, nobody who died in the Holodomor or the famines during the Great Leap Forward were killed by communism, because they didn’t make the crops fail.
BUT EVEN BY YOUR STUPID STANDARD: 1. Millions and millions of people were killed by the British Empire and the American genocide of Native Americans, both capitalist; their total exceeds 200 million, much worse than communism 2. Capitalism has been around since the 17th century
1) happened before capitalism, it was imperialism not capitalism. Typical for a commie to lie and misrepresent history and facts. Just like commies nowadays say white men invented slavery... While they were not first to start it, but first to end it. Muslims practice slavery to this day.
And no, nobody died in a cobalt or lithium mine before capitalism, you botched abortion. Interesting for you to use revisionism, a thing communists are accused of.
So let’s sum up your idiocy, before I banish you to the shadow realm: 1. You claimed American deaths due to capitalism happened before the founding of the United States 2. You claimed imperialism is not capitalist 3. You claimed that only deaths from centrally-planned economies count as deaths
4. You accused me of murders done decades before my birth 5. You couldn’t stand to keep your white supremacist nonsense out of it 6. You accused me of several things I have never claimed, or which have never happened
If you have to lie and falsely accuse this much to make your case, it means you’re wrong. Poland was better under communism; at least they bothered to educate you. Stay mad your country doesn’t matter!
I’ve never said white people invented slavery, but you’re showing your true colors by bringing Muslims into a conversation that has nothing to do with them, racist.
Nice deflection, I brought it up as an example of the most prominent communist lie. Have I lied about muslims still practicing slavery?
It didn’t. Capitalism has been around since the 17th century; definitionally, everything the US has done and most of British imperialism happened after that. Imperialism and capitalism go hand in hand. Capitalism, in fact, depends on imperialism. You know less than zero about this.
What other lies do we debunk today?
Pre-capitalist empires (e.g., Roman, Mongol) show imperialism existed long before capitalism — so one isn’t a prerequisite for the other. - Modern critics note capitalism can function through voluntary trade and mutual investment
Early mercantilist economies were heavily state-controlled, which is quite different from classical laissez-faire capitalism. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations (1776) critiqued mercantilism and helped shape capitalist theory — suggesting capitalism as we define it wasn’t fully “born” in the early 1600s
While many historians trace capitalist elements (markets, private capital, profit motives) back to the 17th century, the fully developed capitalist system — with industrial-scale production, mass wage labor, and global financial markets — largely emerged in the late 18th to 19th centuries.
Hlodomor was a direct result of a centrally controlled economy by soviet commies. Those killed by great leap forward were directly killed by communism.
Centrality is not part of the concept of culpability, especially not when applied to systems. This is both cherry-picking and a goalpost move. The death being decentralized doesn’t make it not death; everyone who dies because their lives were not profitable are killed by capitalism.
Nazis were communists. National communists to be exact.
WAHAHAHAHAHA your mother must have had sex with a dog, dude. Hitler himself said that National Socialism was not Marxism, and stood in opposition to Marxism.
You didn’t even get the words right when making your nonsense semantic argument! It’s National SOCIALISM, you fucking buffoon. National Communism isn’t a thing.
Marx has a broad definition of capitalism that is diverged from economic definition. Which is understandable. Marx is a XIX century take on economy and society. Both goid economic data and good data about societies wouldn't be available until Marx was already dead for more then half a century.
1. How does Marx’s definition diverge from “an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their use for the purpose of obtaining profit”? 2. What is your definition of “good economic data and good data about societies”? Be specific.
Oh boy. 1. Your good old Marxist definition applies to every monetary system on earth starting in around 3000 BC. Private ownership exists probably since ce the times of first stone tools. Oldest Summeru writings are inventory od stocks of food. Hammurabi codex from 1772BC has both.
Oh, I forgot to attack this one point by point: 1. Money is not a feature of capitalism 2. Possession of stone tools is not private ownership of the means of production, nor is it an economic system 3. Inventorying things is not capitalism 4. Arguing that capitalism is old weakens your case
What is different about possessions laws in times of Hammurabi that were state enforced and mandated by law from current laws about possession? In both systems if I own an amfora of grain and it is under my control it is protected by law and violence sanctioned by the state.
Stop, your argument is already dead and buried, no need to deep your hole even deeper. You lost, you may deny reality all you want but this won't change the fact that the worst genocides in human history are all caused by communists and their actions. Even hitler would not get to power without KPD
Not an answer to my question. Try again. How does Marx’s definition deviate from the commonly accepted definition that I gave you?
2. You don't get to any meaningfully centralised statistics till 1950s and 1960s. For example modern definition of GDP dates to 1934 but it was widely adopted from 1944. BUT first estimates of GDP per capita for most countries are as new as 1978 share.google/auF9PskqM725...
Not to mention that “centralized” is a goalpost move…and awfully communist of you to value centralization 😘
You can't have good statistics without having them compiled. In the same way, you can't have a passport register without one central register or linking all registers into one ecosystem.
You didn’t say compiled, you said centralized; those mean different things, and this is a key example of why you shouldn’t argue complex topics in a secondary language with a native speaker. Passports have nothing to do with this. Explain how Marx’s definition differs from the one I gave you.
This is not a definition, it is a story. Try again. What, specifically, makes economic or social data credible?