The same puppet masters (Thiel, Heritage Foundation, Miller, etc.) will still be pulling the strings. JD owes his entire career to Peter Thiel.

But JD is not “dear leader” and never could be. 🙏 My opinion- and i HAVE been wrong before. I NEVER thought trump would be elected in 2016.

I agree. I hope

Yes, I think the same. And vance has zero charism, so...

Maybe underestimating cult’s capacity for worship? Once the leader dies, he becomes something much bigger and use of their “legendary likeness” literally cancels and replaces any leftover accountability, every due explanation of everything they do. Modifies it into an open religion. Hope I’m wrong.

That’s a thought BUT once they have people in place, Judges, Lawyers, MSM, Election Boards, Treasury, City and State offices, WE ARE SCREWED! Trump could be on his deathbed, perhaps even dead, and using AI lie to the country in order to buy time.

Make that power vacuum and watch the infighting and while they are busy screwing each other over you take back your country.

Hello, how are you today?

The cult is one thing, specific to the US. Technocracy is another thing, potentially a global problem, which will be addressed by many nations working together.

Maybe….

I am concerned that too many systems in our government have been compromised especially the media

Makes sense to me as well💯🎯

I've been saying this also - much less influence on the cult from JD or whatever his name is.

They will eat each other alive, to get more power... can´t waite for the carnage 😁

I'm not worried about Vance. the maganuts hate him and the cult will implode. The sooner trump is dead the better.

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It’ll be a knock down drag out to see the next leader will be.

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Absolutely agree. My prediction: Vance will try to pull of the bullish attitude of TACO. It won't work. The puppetmasters will falter as they scramble to replace the void. Collapse

Yes- when he tries to bully, the way dear leader does, it come off like a 12 year old boy that nobody likes.

Hmm. I seem to recall that what turns a cult into a religion is the death of its chief character.

I agree with Claude. JD Vance is no substitute for Trump as far as the MAGA base is concerned. JD Vance is as fake as Ted Cruz, and even MAGA will realize it. He will try to appeal to the base, but he is so uncharismatic that he will fail.

Exactly right. One monster at a time, please.

A figurehead, is a figurehead. It's not Trump nor Vance but the Pharaonic conservative corporate scaffolding that put them where they are to fulfill the role they're supposed to fulfill.

As long as democratic leaders think “very strong letters” = fighting back, MAGAts will always be a threat.

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I’m not convinced. Trump is merely their useful idiot. He got them through the door, like a Trojan horse. They’ve had this planned for years. And Elon was part of it.

That is what experts call wishful thinking

Manifesting Lol

Been saying this for a long time myself.

Let's just get him to pass....

Big facts, Vance does not have the same draw that Trump does and there will also be a lot of competitors for MAGA King and they will destroy themselves

Vance is so universally hated that even MAGA won't back him when it matters

Vance ain’t got the mojo to carry the MAGAts with him.

I take it he hasn't passed yet! Damn it!

I hope you're right, but Vance is genuinely threatening. Even if MAGA falls which many would celebrate, something worse could easily take its place. History teaches us that political collapses often birth greater evils. That's why I caution against wishful thinking.

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Some cults do survive the death of the leader. I can think of three off the top of my head.

This has been my pov. The Debbie Downers who jump to “but Vance”-we get it. We know he’ll be awful. But give us a minute to enjoy when IT happens,then we’ll face the next shitstorm in office. maga is all abt the felon-it is literally a cult of personality. Vance is highly unlikeable, even for maga.

Try it. Let Trump die. What do we have to lose? The clickbait media will mourn his death the most. We will celebrate.

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Thiel is a special problem, most don’t know of him; he shuns the limelight that Trump, Vance, Musk crave. Instead, he is like a slow growing, undetected cancer no one knows exists until it’s too late.

This is an excellent description of the problem. Theil is the cancer no one is aware of.

Vance isn't favored amongst MAGAts. He's shady AF, stands for nothing, and with MAGA being so fractured because of tRump, nobody can put them back together, and that includes tRump. I'll be shocked if he can even get Congress and the Senate to fall in line. They won't. LOL, f*cking couch bumper.

It's going to be... soon??? Amen Every one with you my sweetheart 💓 Kitty.

It's going to be big orbitury.. Amen.

Thanks Kitty my sweetheart 💓 😘 for reposting this. It's probably one of the best chance for Blue democrats 💙. Love you Kitty my sweetheart 💓😘

JD Vance is a dud. The intense infighting to succeed trump with be awesome to witness.

But he's not the leader. He's the funded leader.

Me

So what’s his big announcement tomorrow?

Marshall Law?

*Martial law.

Who knows. A war? More crime intervention in more cities? An arrest of Biden? Mexico is 52nd state? The native Americans no longer have reservations for their tribes? Lottery names will be drawn to live on Mars? The Department of War needs immediate stockpiling? US will no longer be part of NATO?

Funny 😄 Not funny

I know. Part of it hurts

All the above... I'm resigning will be the highlight!!

I can only hope. There's an entire media ecosphere and we'll of hatred behind that cult.

100%

That’s what I am hoping for. Fervently.

Republicans won't blindly follow Vance

It will fade away like the No Nothing party. MAGA memories will continue but only in the minds of 20% of voters. It is easy to be cynical considering the disgusting aftermath of 1/6, but it is just as easy to think the fat guy's boot can be lifted from our necks.

I agree. Maga obsession rests with the Cult leader. It starts and it ends with that.

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Agreed.👍🏻

It's the billionaires and tech bros I worry about.

This post by Claude is shortsighted. They no longer need the "cult" to survive, nor do they need their "cult" leader, Trump. Hence, which is why he is now disposable to The Heritage Foundation. Stay focused. They ALL HAVE TO GO.

absolutely agree. but we must understand this: there's a window to stop him. having said that, I don't think Vance is well-liked. it's that face. second, there may be just a few GOP Senators looking for a reset if Trump dies

He's an asshole who wears it as his face

indeed 😂

*stomping Vance I think it should have said that

Vance IS Thiel. We need to cut them off at the pass.

Concur - Vance is a serviceable lapdog & has nothing close to the influence & cultist drawing power of the malignant sociopath.

And more Maga will die before their leader. Nobody gets out alive!

I agree. The reason why is because MAGA/Trumpism is not a political movement. It is not a defined ideology. It is, as Claude said, a Cult. #Cult47 Cut the head off the snake and the rest dies. Figuratively speaking of course….

Disagree. It was never about Trump. They never for one minute thought he would survive this presidency. The danger was *always* Vance. And he is precisely where they want him to be. I hate to say it, but by the time we focus on him, there may not be a USA left to save.

Agreed

Vance is anti-charisma. Vance has all the charm of a cold sore. Vance will not turn out the rural moron vote like Trump did.

Thats what i think. Not even likable.

MAGA loves a bully and when Trump goes, there's no obvious loud-mouth bully to take his place. Vance doesn't have it because literally anyone could bully Vance. Kids could shove that guy into a locker. Stephen Miller isn't a bully, he's a cruel sadist, with anti-charisma. Huge power vacuum coming.

To the people saying "MAGA will outlive Trump", of course, because hateful assholes won't stop just because their leader is dead. But the rallies will collapse because there's no one to fill that position. There's no one to stand up a stage and whine and *still* get treated like a god by them.

Sadly, I think your hopes and ambitions are misplaced. Project 2025 will go ahead with or without Trump. Vance will be the same if not worse. You'd better get used to it.

IDK. If Conald survives, and we have Midterm Elections, and JD announces that he wants to run for the Office of the President, MAGA will hate him the same way they hate Pence. They're dumb enough to believe that Conald can seek a 3rd term. It is a mess for the GOP.

One thing at a time yes

MAGA does not like the couch potato- MAGA might stop hating minorities for a minute to spread their ire against the Regime.

I keep repeating this. Totally agree.

I agree. They won't have the same power/momentum without Trump. Their morale will collapse while they mourn/worship Trump after he dies (they are going to wallow in self pity for a long time), but the rest of MAGA doesn't have the charisma to keep MAGA going. We can defeat them.

Yes. He’s the only thing holding all those asshats together. They’d eat each other without him.

Hypothesized wishful thinking. So much more protests to be had. We will STILL need to hold the line

Vance has all the charisma of a cockroach. He will not be able to lead effectively. There will be a power struggle and the Right will balkanize.

Hopefully MAGA after the Cheeto hits the dirt

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Vance might not have a cult following, but he is in a cult. Thiel, Curtis Yarvin with their totally twisted ideology. All that white Nationalism, Nazi shit. Those people are dangerous. Trump has greed & a lust for power, these people have that and their ideology that is pure evil.

👏agree if your read "The Spider and the Starfish" a book about two different types of leaderships the starfish will live on, the spider not so much.

Agree wholeheartedly.

We need to get rid of those in Congress that allowed this BS

Totally agree and the entire world hate Vance in an entirely different way.

I agree...focus on one asshole at a time.

they will lose their brownshirts

Vance, an empty-hearted zero. Minus-factor charisma and ugly to boot. Don jr. ? stupider than his dad and drug addled.

tRump is the distraction. Read Project 2025 and look at who sits in key spots. Think commanders of the Handmaid's Tale.

JD has no weight with the MAGA crowd but the backing of the insane billionaire class. I hope that the crowd will at least in part snap out of their mass psychosis when #COan-DON dies. The underlying issues however will remain

Oh it won't collapse. It might struggle for a short while until Theil/Miller help find them a new antichrist to worship. There are several names that come to mind.

MAGA existed before Trump became its leader. It was then known as the Tea Party; in the 20th Century it was the America First and American Nazi movement, and in the 19th Century the Know-Nothings. There's always another ambitious demagogue in the wings eager to manipulate a confused and fearful mob.

the cult will collapse, but it's too little too late they own the government now and they're not giving it up trump was never more than a means to an end for them, and he's achieved about 80% of what they need him to once he's no longer useful, i don't expect him to survive much longer

Tell Saikat.

you and claude are deluded if you think maga will just go away after trump is dead. nope.

Cut off the head of the snake = they will be easier to defeat! They will never totally go away - like the confederates, but they won't have power over us anymore 🤪

only way they go away...too scary to even talk about.

Not go away, but split into factions that fight each other. There’s no one else who is going to be able to step into its shoes.

the church has plenty of lunatics ready to feed, i mean, lead.

I’ve been saying this for months but everyone I say it to says Vance will be so much worse! He was handpicked for his sleaze not his charisma. The cult will implode

Me.

I'm in

Trump has left us vulnerable and exposed to attacks on so many levels. They won't see what's coming, and maybe Vance will get a Bush Push in patriotic spirit as we prepare to go to war with all who would dare attack the us.

The sienna facepainted wicked will die whether Vance is VP or not, whether the governors allow the National Guard into their cities, or not, whether Putin is dispatched/replaced or not, and whether he speaks today at 2pm about Venezuela, his health, limestone, grass or windmills. Sick he is.

It is not a cult It is a bunch of billionaires paying ppl to do stuff. Or making them Blackmail, drugs, perversions all up for a good employee. When the dummy dies much more ruthless and cleverer as%hats take over. If ppl don't strike at them personally all children are doomed. Crime will rule all.

I’m with Claude. Vance has the charisma of a turnip.

Agree

Vance could be an upgrade. He might not be, but he COULD be. In any case, it's out of my hands. I'll oppose whichever douchebag is in charge until we get somebody competent and honorable elected.

There will be a power grab by the project 2025 promoters in an attempt to maintain control. JD Vance is a tool and ignorant enough to be used by them because all he cares about is power.

Someone posted that Peter Theil is actually pronounced T-Heil. That’s it. That’s who he is now.

Besides, you can’t stop him from dying

Agree

Hope so

This is true. MAGAts will not follow Vance. Everyone hates JD.

But the racist nazi project 2025 heritage foundation behind trumps maga will continue on their oligarch marching orders

Even if the cult is not as strong without their leader, these 71 million people will be a danger to America until they can be deprogrammed or die. Most of them truly believe it is righteous to hurt people, deny science, and enable wage theft.

Not all cults are the same. Maga will survive because billionaires, watch. Also, primary everyone on their dole. Vet candidates thoroughly. Fight voter suppression, the closing of voting sites and the attempts to stop mail-in voting. Extra credit is: Expose and stop #Starlink election interference

The important point is not whether MAGA will follow Vance. The question is whether Republican politicians will follow Vance. The only reason Rs followed Trump was because he brought in votes and could punish them. Vance won't get that. So Congress can override Vance's orders with impunity.

Same!

ChatGPT is; If Trump dies soon, it likely becomes easier to stop Vance from “destroying democracy,” because Trump’s personal cult doesn’t automatically transfer. The risk is that Trump’s death could radicalize his core base in unpredictable ways, but Vance alone doesn’t command Trump-level loyalty.

Noteworthy; ChatGPT talks about "Trump's personal cult". I didn't say anything about a cult in my question. So it appears now obvious to everyone (and everyTHING) that it's a cult - except to those who are in it.

Who's got that kind of time? 🤔

Trump is MAGA. MAGA follow him like rats followed the Pied Piper. When Trump passes MAGA implodes.

I totally agree with this. Vance is not liked and is soft like a marshmallow. Not to mention his brain suffers from stick foot in mouth disease.

Theil is already in Its just about too late now

Unless trump endorses Vance in exchange for a pardon? Epstein’s victims are going to be holding a huge press conference the day after tomorrow, so the timing gives me pause

I don’t even think an endorsement from teump would help vance. He is not “their daddy”. 🤮

Ughhh the daddy trump thing is so repulsive

IDK. I truly feel Trump is a choke point for Miller, Johnson, Vance and the rest of them. It might be the beginning of the end but it wont be the end.

Precisely! It will crumble away so focus on the felons last breath

GOP will turn into Lord of the Flies. Sycophants never rise to the top.

Claude nailed it. Vance is no threat as no one likes him. Once the #PedoFurhrer is gone they will collapse and try to pretend they weren't Nazis. It will be our job to make sure they all hang.

Vance is a threat. But without the cult trump had, there is hope he can be stopped.

Name one loyal Vance supporter...and not his owner Theil...he's no threat.

I agree with you but not without a lot of concerns. Trump has set him up with many opportunities to continue the madness. One question is will the Reps in Congress do his bidding? I’m hoping there will be enough who join the Dems to stop him.

They will infight for power...hopefully the Democrats can get their shit together. They need new leadership badly.

I agree!!!

no one is afraid of Vance - that's what I think trump's puppeteers are afraid of - and they are trying to find another way to control US before they have to announce that trump is dead... (he's probably hooked up to life support till they figure out their new strategy)

No one has the conman charm that Trump has in that group.. I still expect whoever were to take his place in the event Trump dies or leaves as President will get a strong online propaganda push by the Russians or whoever is spreading garbage on social media.

I’ve been saying this since before the election. Vance is universally hated. No one will ever follow him, but they will go after him.

I don't know if Trump is actually the "Head of the Snake" here. If he's just a "useful idiot" propped up as a figurehead, the real powers behind him will regroup and find a new one. Remains to be seen.

I’m with you, Mary.

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Agree

Be 70% o' th' battle won right there! Oh. Orange streamers and roast pumpking snack on the day. As soon as you find out, stop work and go into the streets and celebrate. The highway to hell awaits him.

No one welcomes vance wherever he goes. Beyond weird and creepy.

Agreed. Also, those Republicans cowards who were afraid of Trump's retaliations will come to their senses when he passes and vote with Democrats against Vance and MAGA'S.

There are cracks in MAGA, no small number of which Trump himself created. When he dies the infighting will begin, especially over who will be the new "leader." The question is, will the Democratic party be positioned to capitalize.

It’s a cult. It will dissolve when the leader dies.

I had the same fears, but that is a very good point. Vance is not well liked, in fact many in Trump's base were pissed Vance was chosen. He doesn't have the charisma to keep a taco folded, let alone keep them together.

I agree, but to an extent. It’s the Heritage Foundation that’s been running the show. Trump was only a figurehead.

I as just saying this earlier! Not even Jr. can inherit the cult.

My guess this is. Exactly why vance got his vay-kays in, The 🍊🐔 regime is likely, shall we say,' helping him down the ramp to install shady v b4 midterms thiel & putin for that matter won't give up thier I'll gotten power over WeThePeople

He is so right. maga will fold.

By the time #DodgerDon kicks the bucket, his administration will have institutionalized #MAGAism. DJT is being used as a prop by the people behind #Project2025. Just look at the havoc wreaked since his inauguration.

Agreed

No one else has the very ignorant MAGGOT cult following that the convicted felon/sexual predator and accused pedophile has.

Cut the head off the snake.

I think it could go either way. Religious cults have survived the death of its cult leaders before.

Fact

In fact, about 2022 years ago, the death of a prophet launched a new religion that’s come to dominate the Western World.

My initial thought exactly. They’ll have to spin some magic into the tale once someone passes but it’ll be easier for the followers to believe a fairy tale than to admit they were wrong.

Yes, but Trump is Jim Jones x10. If he weren't, we wouldn't be where we are.

But they’re all dead. The ones that survive are religions without violence. MAGA seems so violent.

Rarely. But I can think of some, Scientology and Mormons being two big ones.

MAGA loved that Trump was his authentic horrible self. Vance has zero authenticity and zero personality. They won't like him.

Oh, I do so hope this is true. But I seem to remember a history teacher saying 7 out of 8 times a US President has died in office, his party kept the White House in the next election.

Vance is an opportunist. If the military is already in the streets, he will amplify it and use Trump's death as an excuse to impose martial law. Yes, someday he will be gone, but it could be years and years.

Me.

Tuesday Sept 2nd, 2025, 2 PM Eastern : "I'm going to play golf. GuyLiner is in charge but it's not 25A so, not really. Thank you for your attention to this matter."

And all candidates for its succession have said enough publicly against DJT that they will start and endless shitfest.

Optimism feels good, let's hope it becomes reality.

JD definitely doesn't have the mojo; none of them do.

Got to stop the Heritage Foundation, which Vance helped write Project 2025!

What a great day tw'ill be!

My opinion is let's find out !!

Only one way to find out!

An impeachment would remove his whole administration.

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Vance has been going places with Stephen Miller who is the architect of all this racism and supremacy movement. Thiel and Elon Musk support Vance. Recently, Elon said that he doesn’t want to start another political party. He wants himself and others to get behind Vance.

Do you reckon Vance will make Miller his VP? Can he appoint anyone ?

The answer may be found in the 25th Amendment. Congress is involved.

Congress will confirm whoever they’re told to. All sides are compromised.

We must put up a good fight!

Vance won't make that decision. Probably already has been made by Thiel/Musk/Putin.

Thiel yes, musk is a nobody now. Leo Lenard yes, Israel Yes. Putin who?

I sure hope he's right.

Agree!! Thiel, Murdock, Musk, Miller, GOP, and Heritage Foundation are the most dangerous YT men in America. Trump was their Trojan Horse. They are the ones that need to be dealt with.

I agree.

But if he does not die but step back because of health reasons, that would’ve a shit move. Vance is at his final destination and the #fckMAGA will stay behind him

Vance will have a Seance in the Oval twice a week and MAGA will nod their heads in awe as he delivers St Don’s messages

I'm of the book of I'm glad that they didn't say, "Hey, let's just see how this plays out" on April 29, 1945 in Berlin, Germany. The sooner he's gone, the better. We'll figure it out from there, lol.

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MAGA may collapse, but Vance will be in control of the government and his handler, Peter Theil, is very dangerous.

I’m not afraid of these people. I know you are not either!

I agree. This all goes when he does. Vance has no appeal and no following. Theil, Miller etc can not exist without Trump. Trump and Trump alone is MAGA. It dies with him.

It won’t be simple because there are oligarchs, others pushing the fascist project 2025, Thiel & Musk want techno fascist government with JD as front man; there will be significant disruption and infighting. Clearly JD cannot command a cult following - we have to use the opportunity to crush them.

Luckily, it won't take a rocket surgeon to do this math:

Easy agree!!

Claude is spot-on. Some of the most vile, disgusting MAGAts can be found in "Boaters for Trump" Facebook groups. Rest assured, they're not going to rename them "Boaters for Vance".

Rename the boaters to “Vacation Vance”.

Claude is wrong.

I want to believe this. There are some cults that do survive a leadership change because the members are brainwashed enough to accept it. But I know Vance doesn't have the ability to keep the cult. So there is that.

We need to focus on each step to oust these people. Trump, then Vance Thiel and the rest of the

I think MAGA will fall in line with whoever the new leadership is. It’s not like they’re going to start voting for democrats.

👋👋👋👋👋👋👋 I AM!!! But my greatest fear is that Thiel's Palantir has ALL our information and that South AfriKKKan fascist will try to rule over us by threatening our personal financial stability.

Then we go all French Revolution on them.

COUNT ME IN!!

Same! 👋🏻

I just said this today when my bf said the same thing. No one fears Vance...Vance does not have a cult following. When Trump dies, there will be the stragglers having reunions at Motel 6.

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Even Boy Scout in Chief Gerald Ford could not survive the fallout from Nixon.

Truthfully, I do not think there is a spineless GOP politician anywhere who fears getting primaried by JD Vance. Or Marco Rubio.

Some cults survive the death of their leader. Look at North Korea.

Trump doesn't have a successor who's got the same conman abilities he does.

No, but that's why they've pushed to breakdown the Constitutional protections and subvert the norms, so we can't just snap back like we have before. It will be easier with him gone, but not immediate or guaranteed.

I agree.

Vance would be unpopular as he doesn’t have the “power” Trump has. My sibling thinks Vance won’t survive.

Vance won't be the same as he is now when he doesn't have to suck up to Donald anymore.

Maybe he will grow up. I doubt it though. He can’t fill the vacuum!

Exactly

Trump is only one head of the Hydra. Project 2025 has many people in positions that can continue to destroy America from within. You fight , America, is going to be a long one unfortunately. A fight you cannot afford to lose.

You don't deliberately miss the mole in front of you. You whack him and then move on.

It's progress!

Agreed and Trump looks horrible. I can’t see him making it another year much less three and a half.

It will collapse, for sure. But not immediately. In the meantime, how much more damage will Vance cause in his efforts to cling to power?

Walk and chew gum, attack on all fronts all the time. This is a criminal organization from top to bottom, it's not a snake it's a hydra.

Since we can't change the channel, a change in cast is our next, best option.

If Trump dies now, it is before the entire infrastructure has been subjugated so we may get by. The people who inherit the actual power are Thiel, Miller and Vought. Vance is weird, but he is the bridge between Thiel and the Christian Nationalists so they will back him with media and money.

This is an absolutely assinine theory. Putin has worked for years to groom his little American puppet. In Putin's dream of what happens in America, this is it.

No one said conspiracy theories were sane. But fun to dream

Why would russia kill its biggest asset?

He has outlived his usefulness or has messed up too badly.

He would be dead

Interesting.

Couch rape Vance is primed by his handlers to institute Project 2025 and Fascism.

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We can hope so

That could be a possibility .

I had this exact conversation with a buddy on Saturday. The cancer in our government is far from gone when IQ45 dies, but the cult dies with him.

It will be a switch from population based hate and destruction to billionaire financed hate and destruction. The latter is more powerful

No doubt that’s the plan, but they need a hero… none of the Silicon Valley lost boys have an ounce of charisma, same goes for JD.

Donald Trump is the world worst evil