Various media report that Dutch F-35 fighter jets used AIM-9X missiles worth $2.8 million against Russian "Gerans" over Poland. For comparison, the cost of a "Geran" is $10,000.
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not to mention the value of those 🍅🍅🙂
sep 11, 2025, 7:50 am • 0 0 • view
Yes, there have to be better alternatives, even using F35s, sheesh.
sep 11, 2025, 7:09 am • 2 0 • view
Poland was not prepared. And they were warned!🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
sep 11, 2025, 7:18 am • 0 0 • view
Except that’s an AIM-120 AMRAAM (“Slammer”).
sep 11, 2025, 7:35 am • 1 0 • view
Poland should acquire some of these automotive radars to get early warning of approaching Muscovite drones.
sep 11, 2025, 6:54 am • 6 1 • view
That's beside the point imo. It's not that the cheap drones can't be detected.
sep 11, 2025, 8:26 am • 0 0 • view
@koenb82.bsky.social Hoe lang houden we dat vol als Rusland elke nacht 300 drones van 10k per pop stuurt ?
sep 11, 2025, 7:04 am • 1 0 • view
Niet. Dit is onbetaalbaar. Dit gaat helemaal mis. We hebben een enorme zak met geld klaar gezet, en die gaat volledig op aan een probleem dat anders aangepakt moet worden. Als ik een regeringspartij voorstellen zie doen voor een vliegdekschip.... Ja, dan hou ik mn hart vast.
sep 11, 2025, 7:10 am • 3 0 • view
Maar ja, blijven ‘we’ (cc Trump) wel elkaar steunen binnen de NAVO? Het is al elf dagen na de ‘50 dagen deadline’ van daddy.
sep 11, 2025, 7:14 am • 4 2 • view
Ik ben voor herbewapening, maar om er maar een x% tegen aan te gooien is onzinnig. Ja natuurlijk moeten we zonder Amerikaanse steun Rusland buiten de deur kunnen houden. Maar het is nu Trump/de VS betalen om bij ons te blijven. Ik ben geen expert in toxic relationships, maar volgens mij is dit er 1
sep 11, 2025, 7:18 am • 1 0 • view
Telkens weer de vorige oorlog proberen te winnen. Moedeloosmakend.
sep 11, 2025, 7:20 am • 0 0 • view
Het is geen geld probleem. Het is het niet willen zien wat er moet gebeuren en er dan maar met geld naar smijten en hopen dat het weg gaat.
sep 11, 2025, 7:43 am • 2 0 • view
We zitten met totaal incapabele politici die geen nuchtere analyse willen en kunnen maken. En nog veel minder concreet doen wat nodig is want angstig ivm status quo.
sep 11, 2025, 9:40 am • 1 0 • view
Steeds heel lang uitstellen en dan maar vol in de ankers met miljarden. Gaan we ook straks krijgen met klimaat en nu al met stikstof
sep 11, 2025, 7:46 am • 1 0 • view
"We kunnen niks anders dan heel veel geld uitgeven. Het is te laat nu. Laten we een vliegdekschip kopen en nog een paar F35s waar we op papiermache drones gaan schieten!"
sep 11, 2025, 8:01 am • 2 0 • view
Precies. Er wordt weer met heel veel geld gestrooid terwijl niemand echt lijkt te weten wat we er mee gaan doen, en wat de consequenties gaan worden voor de rest van de begroting.
sep 11, 2025, 7:26 am • 1 0 • view
300 drones gaam iedere dag al naar ukraine en dat houden ze ook al jaren vol. Dus komt het moment dan is dat voor Europa prima te doen. Alleen komt dit wel knullig over.
sep 11, 2025, 7:09 am • 0 0 • view
Maar ja Oekraine pakt het ook anders aan dan voor elk hobbyvliegtuig van plastic met een granaat erin een raket van 3 miljoen dollar te verspillen, maar we gaan het zien.
sep 11, 2025, 7:22 am • 0 0 • view
Not $10k each. The drones cost $190k-$390k each And AIM-9X'S cost $250k-$400k each www.forbes.com/sites/ericte...
sep 11, 2025, 8:24 am • 0 0 • view
NATO mothballing hundreds of Gepard was a huge mistake when it was done with hindsight.
sep 11, 2025, 7:20 am • 1 0 • view
They weren't mothballed, they were torn apart and melted down.
sep 11, 2025, 7:37 am • 0 0 • view
Well then that is an even greater shame
sep 11, 2025, 7:39 am • 1 0 • view
While the system is great, you'd really need hundreds to cover a country like Poland. There were less than 600 ever built. There are over 900 km border to cover.
sep 11, 2025, 8:01 am • 2 0 • view
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sep 11, 2025, 7:02 am • 0 0 • view
In their defence it would be ill-advised to fire the cannon at Gerans and potentially harm more Polish civilians than the drones could have The AIM-9X is a one and done deal
sep 11, 2025, 6:32 am • 2 0 • view
Even if the F-35 had only used its cannon the whole affair likely still would have been a financial loss. I mean: how much does an F-35 flight hour cost? "Defeat through bankruptcy" remains an unaddressed weak spot in Western defense.
sep 11, 2025, 6:50 am • 2 0 • view
Unfortunately NATO still treats drones incursions the same as jet incursions This reaction is acceptable if Russian jets flew over Poland. They just need to adjust their response to threats
sep 11, 2025, 6:54 am • 0 0 • view
Inherent benefit of terrorist tactics. CHeap as fuck.
sep 11, 2025, 7:24 am • 0 0 • view
IMHO the issue is more fundamental than F-35 vs. Geran. Russian weaponry is inexpensive. It's not especially good, but it does enough damage and must be responded to. With what? The West ist mostly equipped with goldplated solutions of which it accordingly has way too few. Look at artillery, MLRS.
sep 11, 2025, 7:05 am • 2 0 • view
Interception drones are the more cost effective solution.
sep 11, 2025, 8:21 am • 0 0 • view
The most cost-effective solution would be to give Ukraine long-range missiles that can destroy drone factories in Russia.
sep 11, 2025, 11:27 am • 0 0 • view
I hope Poland is rapidly adopting Ukraine style air defence drones.
sep 11, 2025, 7:43 am • 0 0 • view
3 years into this war and NATO is still refusing to learn lessons ukraine established 2 years ago
sep 11, 2025, 6:30 am • 17 1 • view
We're about in the same place as where France was in the summer of 1939. Nervous, fidgety, and utterly unprepared
sep 11, 2025, 12:46 pm • 2 0 • view
Insane. The Russian attack was intended to test NATO's military alertness and precision. It seems substandard.
sep 11, 2025, 6:43 am • 1 1 • view
Future warfare will be drone against drone, and battlerobot against battlerobot. All the rest is generals fighting previous wars.
sep 11, 2025, 8:07 am • 0 0 • view
For comparison, a Geran that is not intercepted could cause much more expensive damages than that.
sep 11, 2025, 7:46 am • 0 0 • view
If there is a war, the Geran factory will be destroyed by NATO.
sep 11, 2025, 7:54 am • 0 0 • view
I don’t know where the picture came from or if it is related tonte post, but it shows an AIM-120 AAMRAM, a longer-range missile.
sep 11, 2025, 6:35 am • 4 0 • view
Picture shows a AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, not a AIM-9X Sidewinder.
sep 11, 2025, 6:41 am • 9 0 • view
Pointless overkill
sep 11, 2025, 5:05 pm • 0 0 • view
Exactly, and our Nato forces must asap do a complege rethinking of how our AD systems are going to be designed. Spending "AIM-9X" missiles on swarms of cheap drones is obviously an unsustainable task.
sep 11, 2025, 7:58 am • 4 0 • view
$2.8 million would be 7-10 Missiles. The AIM-9X Costs between $250k-$400k (depending on block and lot) And Shaheds cost between $190-$390k each. They don't cost $10k... That's a fantasy number. www.forbes.com/sites/ericte...
sep 11, 2025, 8:21 am • 1 0 • view
Whatever they cost, the Russians manage to produce an awful lot of Shaheds per month. Almost certainly more than the whole of the western countries group produces in AA missiles per month. So it's a losing bet either way, they will eat up our stockpiles and then Europe gets hammered into surrender.
sep 11, 2025, 12:53 pm • 1 0 • view
I think the $10k is the cost of drone decoys. Apparently that’s what Russia used to “attack” Poland. There’s no cost effective air defense responses, and it’s the wrong reaction because it diverts resources and does not punish Russia.
sep 12, 2025, 6:49 am • 2 0 • view
The major cost is the engine.
sep 12, 2025, 6:13 pm • 0 0 • view
So they fired between 7-10 missiles? That checks out.
sep 11, 2025, 8:14 am • 0 0 • view
Pic shows a piece of an AMRAAM (AIM 120 C-7)?
sep 11, 2025, 6:31 am • 18 0 • view
How much ?
sep 11, 2025, 7:50 am • 0 0 • view
AMRAAMs are worth about a million. Exact costs of each individual missile are difficult to give as AIM-120's get upgraded in sections regularly. New guidance sets on existing motors, etc. and AIM-9X's sell for between 250k-400k depending on production lot and Block 1 or 2 model.
sep 11, 2025, 8:12 am • 3 0 • view
Lets count this as a target practice for pilots. I am ok if it leads to some systematic, cheap and safe solution how to down those drones
sep 11, 2025, 6:30 am • 13 0 • view
European countries could have learned from Ukraine long time ago but nah.
sep 11, 2025, 6:32 am • 18 0 • view
Yeah, but better now than never
sep 11, 2025, 7:43 am • 1 0 • view
Also the actual cost of Shahed drones was discovered to be more like $250k Which puts them on par with the Cost of an AIM-9X ($250K-$400K) Definitely less than the cost of the human lives these would have taken. www.forbes.com/sites/ericte...
sep 11, 2025, 8:19 am • 0 0 • view
Shaheds and Gerans are different drones. The latter are produced in russia with Chinese components and have to be much cheaper than those initially imported from Iran (Iran overcharged russia for no reason)
sep 11, 2025, 9:25 am • 0 0 • view