The very premise of border control is the very premise of fascism: that there is one group of people, defined by nothing but the circumstances of their birth, that is entitled to a legally privileged position over others, defined by being born into an outgroup.
Are you saying my country Canada is *fascist* bc we control our borders, CBSA requires passports and for some, student/visitor/temporary worker visas to enter, we ban convicted felons, intercept & arrest traffickers and terrorists, secure our country from foreign threats, and secure our sovereignty?
When John Lennon sang, "Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do" He didn't mean *literally*. Nations exist. They have borders, for many valid & necessary reasons. It's bonkers to define a nation that enforces border security and distinguishes betw its citizens & non-citizens as "fascist".
He absolutely meant it literally. Not only does the song make no sense at all if you think he didn’t, he also did interviews where he talked about “no borders.”
Come on dude, pick your battles. Fighting against the idea of countries is not gonna be productive. It's like the kind of garbage stoners talk about in dorm rooms.
Is it your position that the US did not exist as an independent, sovereign state before 1875?
Who gives a shit about a hundred and fifty years ago, dude? Do you want to live in a society like the one from 1875?
You're the one who made the implicit assertion that immigration controls were a necessary condition for statehood, an assertion that is utterly untenable in face of even the most cursory knowledge of the history of immigration laws in the US or very nearly everywhere else.
What country in the world is going to let you just walk into their nation?
What's that got to do with anything? Is does not imply ought, in my day they covered this shit in high school.
You think all the countries in the world are fascist?
I think their governance structures incorporate elements of fascism, yes.
I don't see why the modern world makes immigration controls any *more* necessary for statehood than they were 150 years ago.
If states could defend their independence and enforce their laws internally with the much more limited admin and coercive capacity they had then, surely they can do so just as well now. If you have an argument otherwise, please make it.
Good thing I'm not doing that, then!
"Every nation on earth is fascist for controlling their borders" kinda renders the word "fascist" meaningless. Absurd to use the same term to describe, say, Canada today, a country which controls its borders, and Germany under Hitler or Italy under Mussolini. Words have meaning.
I hope you don’t lock your front door and deter random people on the street from entering whenever they like. To do so would be to enforce a fascistic regime of shelter denial to people who don’t have access to a nice home, purely due to their circumstances of birth.
Door? Why would he have a door at all?
I find the Cedrine position difficult to integrate into my world view. Eg I have front and rear doors on my house that I lock. Referencing Kerbal might be the clue.
Don't get out much do you?
Except that is not "the very premise of fascism." Different legal privileges resulting from "circumstances of birth" describes nearly every known form of society.
Gee golly, it sure is a good thing I never said it was *exclusive* to fascism, then, isn't it?
Then how can it be its *premise*?
Very easily. Here's an example: (a) All dogs are mammals (b) All mammals are vertebrates (c) Therefore, all dogs are vertebrates (a) All dogs are mammals (b) All mammals are motile (c) Therefore, all dogs are motile See how "all dogs are mammals" was a premise to two distinct conclusions?
I see the confusion. You say "premise" when perhaps you mean "predicate" or "attribute." In any case, if the predicate/attribute/premise/etc is too common, the point is so weak it seems no point at all: 1) All fascists have heads 2) Having a head is a [premise] of fascism
"People who were born here have an absolute, automatic, and irrevocable right to live and work here as they choose, while people who were not might or might not have a chance of obtaining limited, conditional, and revocable permission to do so" is just master race shit in coded language.
Oh, come on …