(The concrete justice system being proposed here as a model for the US is a system of ritualized blood feuds among nomadic Bedouin tribes)
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For an academic I’d say your reading comprehension is lacking if it wasn’t so obvious you engage in bad faith to activate your replyguys
sep 1, 2025, 2:20 pm • 1 0 • view
I'm not proposing it as a model. I'm interested how traditional bedouin justice has been combined with the modern administrative state in Jordan (insurance claims, military benefits etc.). But you'd rather hippy-punch and scoff at academics for your know-nothing fans than actually read something...
sep 1, 2025, 12:57 pm • 1 0 • view
It would no doubt be very interesting to understand how the Jordanian Bedouin have adapted their traditional cultural practices to the modern world. However, the usefulness of this example in a discussion of police reform in a country that lacks those cultural practices is not obvious.
sep 1, 2025, 1:01 pm • 12 0 • view
"The problem w/ this discourse is, there is too much pontificating & not enough concrete policy solutions." "Well what about this paper?" "This is a horrifying and fantastical policy solution that creates worse outcomes by its own admission." "Well I'm not proposing it, I'm just pontificating!"
sep 1, 2025, 1:03 pm • 12 0 • view
"Here's a system that I believe is superior!" *Points out why it isn't superior* "Well I never said it was superior..." To me it just sounds like you wanna wank your own field of studies but don't want to actually talk about meaningful reform that could actually be applied.
sep 1, 2025, 1:02 pm • 19 0 • view
Please show me where I said it was superior.
sep 1, 2025, 1:23 pm • 0 0 • view
Because the thing with Jordan is that you are advertising a justice system based on a society of norms and traditions mixed with the modern administrative capabilities of the state and if you did that in the US what you'd end up with are just black people getting lynched.
sep 1, 2025, 1:05 pm • 15 0 • view
That's what a society of norms would look like in the United States. I'm sorry, I hate it too, but that's what it would be just because that's what the society of Norms as seen within new world settler communities largely were.
sep 1, 2025, 1:08 pm • 12 0 • view
Funny you say this because I directly address this at length in the article because it's not true: many former settler colonies have revived these traditional practices *because* POC are now in the majority and are reshaping justice in their own interests. But I don't think it's all upside...
sep 1, 2025, 1:25 pm • 1 0 • view
That's good, I think those are good changes What traditional practices of justice could be applied within the United States that make sense within its justice system? That wouldn't just immediately devolve into white people getting on their own worst impulses?
sep 1, 2025, 1:33 pm • 4 0 • view
The article is about the idea of mercy, but the whole point is that mercy has a dark side and that you can't really separate out retributitive and restorative justice. I definitely do not think that reintroducing traditional indigenous justice is always a good thing and go out of my way to show why.
sep 1, 2025, 1:35 pm • 1 0 • view
Then what is your point to begin with outside of fellating your own ego?
sep 1, 2025, 1:37 pm • 2 0 • view
Not gonna bother engaging if you're going to be like this. The article is free to read!
sep 1, 2025, 1:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Well glad to know you've wasted my morning with being Schrodingers cuntbucket.
sep 1, 2025, 1:42 pm • 2 0 • view
Answer that question because no, importing other traditions isn't going to work when those traditions don't have any weight. We don't have any continuity with the tribes of North America because outside of a few examples most of them didnt develop deeply complex societies like the Incas of Aztecs
sep 1, 2025, 1:36 pm • 3 0 • view
We also nearly completely genocided them, segregated the rest into Bantustans, and intentionally tried to obliterate their cultures.
sep 1, 2025, 2:13 pm • 2 0 • view
The largest remaining tribe by population (Dine, or Navajo), has just 400,000 members.
sep 1, 2025, 2:14 pm • 2 0 • view
Or, going back further in white history. burning “witches”, or the heresy charges of Europe. Sweet Jesus, just being from a small town I can say this is a *horrible*, *horrible* idea. It’s just conservatism. My home town would still be locking up gays. Hell, this is the kind of shit Texas is
sep 1, 2025, 1:26 pm • 3 0 • view
trying to do right now. They want “communities” to be able to ban books that the “community” doesn’t value.
sep 1, 2025, 1:26 pm • 3 0 • view
Its funny that you started with the idea as an intellectual exercise and are now defending it and calling people racist.
sep 1, 2025, 1:00 pm • 11 0 • view
A) I am an academic, and part of why I find posturing like what you’re doing irritating is that it crowds out work on the topic that grapples seriously with the actual issue B) you absolutely were proposing it as a model lol bsky.app/profile/geof...
sep 1, 2025, 1:43 pm • 16 0 • view
A) Nobody likes scoffing at academics more than academics B) I'm definitely not. I'm trying to illustrate how the whole idea of policing (and justice in general) has become very rigid by showing something messy and hybrid that's absolutely got its own problems
sep 1, 2025, 1:45 pm • 0 0 • view
I get it though: I'm not a Nazi so I'm not entitled to a good faith reading!
sep 1, 2025, 1:45 pm • 0 0 • view
You called it a "best practice", come on.
sep 1, 2025, 1:48 pm • 13 0 • view
What is "it" here? And where?
sep 1, 2025, 1:49 pm • 0 0 • view
You: too much pontificating on the platonic nature of law enforcement and not enough ***treating it like a concrete policy problem where we look at best practices*** from peers that get better value for money Me: ***Does that*** This is you, in your own words, confirming that you are doing that.
sep 1, 2025, 1:54 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah, you got me. I think mercy might be a best practice!
sep 1, 2025, 1:57 pm • 1 0 • view
Mercy and forgiveness are also at the heart of why priests were moved around to church after church. They repented, were given mercy, and went on to abuse someone else. So no, it’s not always a best practice.
sep 1, 2025, 2:00 pm • 0 0 • view
That's definitely not the Bedouin idea of mercy! Read the article! You might find it interesting!
sep 1, 2025, 2:01 pm • 0 0 • view
You suggested "the Jordanian model where they've hybridized policing and tribal blood feuds" for discussion, and then a few posts later you said that you had presented "best practices from peers that get better value for money”.
sep 1, 2025, 1:53 pm • 3 0 • view
Interesting. Maybe there's a reason you have to lean on OP's dishonest characterization of my work to make this stick?
sep 1, 2025, 1:56 pm • 0 0 • view
Those are both quotes from you, bb.
sep 1, 2025, 1:57 pm • 1 0 • view
Well, sure, but you can't really connect them up in a way that makes me look bad. (Hint: the "best practice" as I see it here is mercy)
sep 1, 2025, 1:58 pm • 0 0 • view
Seems like an American quirk to describe cutting essential public services as "better value for money". The European inquisitorial system combined w/ consolidated PDs, automation (CCTV, red light cameras), & slightly fewer defendant rights (weaker exclusionary rule) probably has the highest ROI tbh
sep 1, 2025, 5:12 pm • 0 0 • view
That's actually me quoting him but you make some good points. You should go post this as a reply to the guy who said this.
sep 1, 2025, 5:16 pm • 0 0 • view
So you don't think the Jordanian model is a best practice from peers that gets better value for money?
sep 1, 2025, 5:56 pm • 0 0 • view
One that gets better value for money, even!
sep 1, 2025, 1:49 pm • 2 0 • view
Are you denying that these are factual statements? They're hardly the only metrics I care about, though! Read the article! I discuss the problems in excrutiating detail!
sep 1, 2025, 1:51 pm • 0 0 • view
I think you're denying these are factual statements to some and scorning others for doing the same. I won't try and grab a snake by the tail, I think. bsky.app/profile/geof...
sep 1, 2025, 2:39 pm • 2 0 • view
This is incredibly fucking offensive. You wandered into the thread here to basically accuse OP of either being a Nazi or sympathizing with them because they're skeptical of your (insane) take on public safety reform that would poll well below 1% in the bluest state in the country. Unserious.
sep 1, 2025, 7:36 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm not. Good grief. Learn how to read.
sep 1, 2025, 7:42 pm • 0 0 • view
"I'm not a nazi so I'm not entitled to a good faith reading." Break that down for me. You're suggesting that OP has shown some willingness to hear nazis out, to find the good point they're making. You're attempting to smear them as cozy with the far right.
sep 1, 2025, 7:48 pm • 0 0 • view
It's fine and arguably good to read even Nazis for what they're saying and not make up lies. I would just like the same courtesy!
sep 1, 2025, 8:29 pm • 0 0 • view
What is the thing you were trying to imply by saying he'd give nazis a good faith reading and not you? Say it with your full voice!
sep 1, 2025, 8:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Lol, I hope he sees this bro!
sep 1, 2025, 8:34 pm • 0 0 • view
oh so American college football is coming to Britain?
sep 1, 2025, 12:58 pm • 4 0 • view
They already have this with soccer.
sep 1, 2025, 1:01 pm • 5 0 • view
Jesus Christ I thought you were exaggerating
sep 1, 2025, 12:55 pm • 14 0 • view
My genuine surprise when it wasn't hyperbole.
sep 1, 2025, 2:28 pm • 1 0 • view
The literal fucking abstract outright notes that this system even at its best fails women and poorer people.
sep 1, 2025, 12:56 pm • 38 0 • view
The south would love to have community based restorative justice back. They loved that shit.
sep 1, 2025, 3:21 pm • 5 1 • view
Imagine basically advocating for lynching and thinking you're smart (this of course is why that chucklefuck is putting so much effort into claiming he totally isn't advocating for the thing he's constantly advocating for).
sep 1, 2025, 3:23 pm • 2 0 • view
I'm fucking pinning this skeet, goddamn.
sep 1, 2025, 7:52 pm • 0 0 • view
I’ve lived and worked in places without a state monopoly on legitimate violence, where “justice” is meted out by what is euphemistically called “justicia popular”. State monopoly on legitimate violence is superior to the alternative in practically every way imaginable.
sep 1, 2025, 1:45 pm • 6 0 • view
Police abolition progressives backing themselves into supporting revenge killings the way anti-gentrification progressives backed themselves into supporting segregation.
sep 1, 2025, 1:13 pm • 14 2 • view