JD Vance: "Russians want certain pieces of territory, most of which they've occupied but some of which they haven't. So that is really where the meat of the negotiation is. The Ukrainians want security guarantees, the Russians want a certain amount of territory."
There they go again peddling false equivalents. Territory to Russia is the same as security for Ukraine. So, Trump will proclaim his solution: Ukrainian land for Russia, security guarantees to Ukraine for whatever is left
Evil
Trump is despicable and this awful guy is waiting in the wings. What a world.
Like Hitler was going to stop with Czechoslovakia
Jesus.
2 Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapes...
Ukraine doesn’t want to give up ANY of their territory. Go on vacay or something 🙄
JD doesn’t have time for this nonsense. He has a vacation to plan on the taxpayer dime. He’s nothing more than a potted plant biding his time until Trump is with his maker.
Couch fucker is highlighting exactly why the Russians need to be expelled from Ukraine.
yeah cuz the security agreement they violated before totally doesnt matter. theyll totally abide by this new one, right? and not just betray everyone. again? especially when we dont actually push back or stop them in any meaningful way
They want territory? What if we give them Florida and a few other red states? Seems like a win-win.
JD Vance was promoted from couch sex-worker to russian propagandon.
I thought Ukraine was supposed to have territorial integrity before they got invaded, are they going to get Putin to say scouts honour, I promise, I double promise, trust me as a guarantee
What a genius. True statesman right there. Barf.
Hey, J.D....... The territory IN Ukraine BELONGS to Ukraine, NOT Russia! Invading and STEALING the territory is why Russia are the BAD GUYS!!!!! #FckJDVance
No, that territory had already declared independence from Ukraine and is filled with ethnic Russian Ukrainians. Russia saved them from Ukraine's shells and Nazis
Traitor VP wants aggressors to succeed. They will roll out that red carpet again when we become an annex of Russia with all this appeasement of a dictator. It's Donnie's friend so it's ok. MFers
He’s not this stupid, is he? I thought not, but I may be wrong.
He is or just a liar like his boss.
Or both?
This stupid shit is getting too much air time. Makes me really wonder what will be dropping from 47. He likes to fk up Fridays, most weekends
This guy is a menace.
It's been another bait n switch ab intio. They talk about security guarantees, which "might include US troops", but immediately back away from that. Those new "guarantees" aren't any better than the old ones.
Kind of like the Native American treaties we continuously broke, or am I know longer allowed to talk about that.
Vance is a meathead
Vance’s HEAD is where most of the negotiations are.
Yep
Fuck you traitor.
The Russians want to be rewarded for invading a sovereign state, killing and maiming its civilians and kidnapping its children. Is that really where the ‘meat’ of any negotiation is? Really?
taco, ie pussy ass bitch
Dude, the whole 'no more wars of territorial conquest' thing was decided globally after WWII. We don't just GIVE THE INVADER the ground they invaded (and a bit extra). We stomp the invader INTO the ground.
Exactly. That is the whole premise of the post WWII order. No one gains by aggression. This applies to Israel too.
What a disgrace
It’s worth noting that since we’ve been invaded by Venezuela Trump and Vance haven’t even said thank you. Not once. And they haven’t even given up Florida either to stop the invasion.
The Russians want to steal land that’s not theirs How fucking stupid are elected Rs?
"...most of which they've [illegally] occupied but some of which they [will simply be gifted]."
VP Chamberlain says what?
I wonder if JD came free with Russia’s purchase of trump. Not much of a gift with purchase, regardless.
Ask him what he thinks of “stand-your -ground” laws.
"The Germans want Sudentenland, so that's the meat of the negotiation. The Czechs want security and the Germans want a certain amount of territory." JD Vance in 1938, probably.
Shove it JD. Ukraine can’t give up an inch. Trump’s “guarantee” is worthless.
I gagged at the sound of his voice
In the name of what would they get those territories that belong to others?
+ reparations and return of POWs and kidnapped children
#Putin will not follow anything but his cold black heart.
OMG. What planet are these people on?
Land for peace has never worked. Europe has a lot of history with this subject.
Apparently he’s Russian now too.
The epitome of foreign policy failure.
And our approach, after the humiliation, I mean meeting - in Alaska, and after the second one with the EU and Ukraine, is to do sweet Fanny Adams.
Ukraine wants security guarantees from Russia taking their territory you dumb twat.
JD Vance once again showing his lack of knowledge of important world affairs. Moron.
I’d like to expand my property. I think I’ll go take some of his. I’m sure he’ll be cool worth it. He’s a fascist MF’er!
Donald Trump is a Russian asset and a traitor. He's also a liar, a sexual deviant, possibly a pedophile, a convicted felon, a cheater at everything, an adjudicated rapist and an all around bad guy. Release the Epstein files! Keep that war criminal Putin out of our country
So .... just do what Putin wants? Got it.
FUUUUUUUUUCK THAT! It never needs to be said, but - The US Policy is to never negotiate with TERRORISTS, so what changed?
''the Russians want a certain amount of territory." No Putin Putin wants a certain amount of territory- Ukraine Poland Moldova The Baltic States The Balkans Romania Bulgaria That territory... The Former USSR Vance-better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
www.bbc.com/news/article...
Russia can want what it likes, meanwhile the most powerful nation in the world should be telling them to get out of the territories occupied via a criminal invasion not acting like they are making a reasonable claim. Suspiciously like a regime that wants to occupy other nation’s territory.
I want my Vice President to not wear eyeliner.
Vance is a couch-humping nimrod. Ukraine gained its independence from the Soviet Union on August 24, 1991, following a referendum where over 90% of voters supported the Act of Declaration of Independence. This event marked a formal recognition by Russia and other countries of Ukraine's sovereignty.
This is how you speak when you are a sly brazen shill for Putin. This shit is intended to slip into peoples' minds. You know, if you just listen to Vance, why, he's perfectly reasonable! RUS, reasonably, just wants some territory, UKR wants security, it's all just some misunderstanding.
Is anyone listening to this fool?
I can’t stand that Curtis Yarvin sycophant. Vance is just evil
This man is a walking garbage liar.
And Britain wants part of the US! This is how “f’ing” stupid they sound.
So his opinion is it's ok to steal from and kill your neighbors. This is todays GOP.
Do not give Putin any Ukrainian territory. Make him give back crimea and return all of the kidnapped children. Putin is a liar and a war criminal and needs to be treated as such
Aye aye aye! Give the Russians something that belongs to JD Vance! He’s pretty glib about giving away something that he doesn’t own😕
JD vance belongs to russia - they own him and trump.
I really want to punch him in the face.
You have an agreement to protect Ukraine, amateur.
Talking about stolen territory like Putin just found a nickel on the ground.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_6L... .
Would you trust Hitler and make a deal with him? Over some territories somewhere? And would you trust that he would stick to that deal? What does the history say?
I want a president who doesn’t rape children. And a vice president who isn’t a lying piece of scum.
So, if Putin wanted, let’s say, Alaska, you’d give it to him, JD?
What does he know about it. He has no experience. He’s just another mouthpiece in the authoritarian regime.
We previously gave Ukraine security guarantees and we reneged on them.
Putin is really playing you 2 BITCHES. Grow some balls.
Wow, thanks for the explanation, Captain Obvious.
What he said is russian lie which has bothered to do with reality. Russia doesn’t want just some piece of land, or pile of certain resources. What they want is the conquer piece of Ukraine to turn it into bridgehead to conquer more Ukraine to turn it into bridgehead to conquer Eastern Europe etc.
*nothing to do with reality
They did it in 2014 - russian occupied Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions became that bridgehead. Also, population on the occupied territories are deported and replaced with russians. It is pure colonial genocide. So all the “exchange territory for security” is nothing but bollocks.
Just completely oblivious to how fucking evil that makes Russia. 🙄
JV is the simpleton of all simpletons. The moron of all morons. He understands nothing and has all the charm of sweat stain. Did I couch that right?
Hey Cletus, Ukrainians want THEIR territory back. All of it.
Au contraire, you plum faced chair molester. All this has ever been about for Ukraine is getting the invaders out of their country, and leaving the lines in place as they stood before Putin started throwing old men into the grinder. Everything beyond that is Trump taking orders from Putin.
Putin invaded a sovereign country and is murdering people and kidnapping children. Putin is killing his own people for his vanity war. The Trump regime rolled out the red carpet for Putin and gave him a military flyover to impress him. Birds of a feather supporting each other’s authoritarianism.
What is he saying?
Yes, Russians want 'certain pieces of territory'. They are called Ukraine, Moldova etc. How about giving them Alaska? The orange narcissist already thinks it's part of Russia anyway.
Sounds just like Hitler! What could go wrong?
Territory they took by invading and illegally occupying a sovereign nation, you absolute sofa. Whilst committing atrocities. Don’t come back to the uk, Vance, you’re not welcome. Next year, go to Moscow.
Can Ukraine just surrender already so we MAGAts can get on with our pillaging of America? Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Imagine if Canada or Mexico were to try and take some US territory. By the current GOP stance we would just give it over to them then if they placed enough troops ion the ground? Thats how it works now, right?
It doesn’t matter what Russia wants. Where has he been? Russia wants? Tough shit what Russia ‘wants’
Invade! It’s called invade and steal certain territories.
Wow. So if Canada wants the grey area of Oregon, they just to invade the country and stake their claim? I’m liking your logic more & more, Mr. Davenport.
*have
…Even if it’s sofa king full of cracks. 😜
JC
Fuck you JD
Dumb as a box of rocks
These guys are not great on the concept of consent are they? 🙄
Who is this guy anyway? Most unknown Vice President in history. Out of nowhere. Wrote a book. Then….
JD is misrepresenting Ukraine's wishes. He does that a lot when he argues. He begins with a false premise as if it's some well understood truth and works from there.
As @darthputinkgb.bsky.social put it once: Russia became an empire by defending itself in other countries. Also I won't even watch the tiniest clip featuring JD because the devious malignant lying gets my blood pressure out of control. So thank you, Aaron, for posting text with the clips.
No Vance, the Russians want all of Ukraine and are opposed to any security guarantees. Any you and Trump and Rubio and Witkoff are too stupid yo see it and have no balls to oppose it.
We are a terrible people to foist these incompetent shit-eaters onto the world stage.
So if Putin wants Alaska back Trump will just give it to him?
The Russians want territory that would guarantee that Ukraine can never have the guarantee of security.
These fucking people would have folded and given up the original colonies to the British.
Paging Chamberlain. And Petain. And Quisling. Vance is trying to fill all their shoes but his foot as usual is in his mouth.
www.reuters.com/world/us/tec...
And the Trump administration is desperate to appease Russia. Weak - sad.
So Russia wants to take land that was established to be Ukraine's decades ago instead of putting on their big boy pants and getting the fuck over it?
Ukraine would like the territory Russia guaranteed to it when Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons that the old USSR had placed there. To cede any part of Donbas to Russia would be to reward brazen violent aggression undertaken to change borders by force.
No JD. It’s all about territory and power. Ukraine wants sovereignty over its territory. Russia wants to own as much of Ukraine as possible.
Not one square millimeter, couch fucker
And if Mexico exhibits an interest in reacquiring, say, Texas…?
They can have Texas.
🎯
Agreed, but I was asking the question to the wing nut MAGAts. They would blow a gasket.
The Trump Administration if full of traitors and appeasers! What the f*uck does Putin have on them! The can’t bend over any lower!
someone should do something about these idiots.
Fuck him.
A certain amount including……
Vance is a pussy! He can't go to Union Station without an armed military team? Pathetic! Vance is a pathetic LOSER. This kid is an idiot who's playing dress up as VP JV is a COWARD & WEAK! He's a sick, disturbed NAZI scum,Russian asset & trump sock puppet. He will see no mercy face & retribution
And he's a couch-fucker.
Territory is real, Russian promises are imaginary.
typical MAGA (*/Putin) we want we want we want ..
Russia is not going to comply with security guarantees, even if they were willing to agree with them. I mean, c’mon.
Yeah, that’s what wars are about. No shit! It’s not their territory.
Glad to see he’s not on vacation.
Germany wants certain pieces of territory, most of which they’ve occupied but some of which they haven’t. So that is really where the mea to the negotiation is. The Czechs want security guarantees, the Germans want a certain amount of territory.
The Germans want half of Russia. They haven’t conquered it lately. But they did in the past. The Russians want markets for oil and natural gas. It’s really a win-win.
Trump wants a cut of the minerals and metals Putin is sitting in in occupied Eastern Ukraine, it’s always about money.
This is so fucking shameful. He's a disgrace
jd wants a lacey couch. None of these idiots should be taken seriously when it comes to negotiating, but we have to take them seriously because dumber people voted for them. With liberty for some and justice for less.
He has no idea what he’s talking about. The territory Russia wants is about the size of 6 US states including Texas.
Ukraine has security guarantees from both the US and Russia in the 1994 treaty, you fuckfaced piece of psychopathic shit.
Just Disgusting Vance is.
Nobody cares what JD has to say
Rewind a few years: "The Polish want security guarantees, the Germans want a certain amount of territory."
Fucking disgraceful.
How stupid does he think people are? Or are they... 1994 Treaty Ukraine gives up nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees. OK, the NATO thing, but why a condition in the first place? 2014 Crimea annexed followed by continual invasions. Lavrov wearing his CCCP t-shirt laughing at Trump🤡🤡
Hey, stupid... Is the Turd Reich's idea of a peace plan to give the invaders what they started this war for? That's not a peace plan - that's capitulation. Brilliant, dumbass.
The bank robber wanted a certain amount of money. Some they already had, some they didn’t. The bank want security guarantees, the robbers want money.
Wow! So many great posts. It all comes down to one thing: VP Vance is a piece of shit just like Putin
A guy that won't even let people pick their own CLOTHES, but thinks it's normal to just give away swathes of your country?
Let me see if I got this right. I want part of my neighbors property to build a pickleball court. I can just go over and take it by force if necessary? I don’t want all his property, just enough for the pickleball court. That’s ok?
Substitute Russia with 1939 Germany and Ukraine with 1939 Poland and see how that sounds
Vance is a piece of shit
Shut up Fucky McCouchface
Ok,Neville
THIS is the best America has to offer as it attempts to broker peace? Not gonna happen. Ukraine would be smart to turn to Europe, it's not like the US is helping in any significant way anymore, and is actually hampering as well as suggesting wholesale land grabs by the Rooskis.
Traitors. Working for Putin. Putin illegally invaded Ukraine. He needs to get Russia out of Ukraine. Trump. Vance. The entire Cabinet. They’re traitors. Look at what they are doing. Ukraine was illegally invaded. Russia gets nothing! Traitors. Helping a War Criminal. But yeah. Owning the Libs!
No territory will ever be enough for Putin. He wants Ukraine, then the rest of Eastern Europe, then... First, he wants to regroup in the strongest defensive positions - which are currently held by Ukraine because Putin couldn't take them, so he wants USA to gift them to him.
Exactly. He wants to rebuild his forces and supplies then take the rest of Ukraine. Then Poland and so on. He’s on his knees. FINISH HIM!
In other words, we're trying to normalize what the US current admin was going to do all along.
"Russians talking to Ukraininans". This couch f* ker makes up just like he made up that immigrants are eating dogs and cats.
Couch fucker
So profound out of his depths.
JD is so very intuitive. Who would have guessed that Russia wants Ukrainian territory! Couch genius!
"The Russians want a certain amount of territory." a.k.a. Ukraine, a sovereign state illegally invaded, you choad.
So reward a war criminal with stolen territory in exchange for Trump/Vance's word that they won't ever let Putin do the same thing again? What a deal.
The russian federation has the biggest territories and resources. They do not want territories, they want : - to plunder what is other's - more slaves to devour Because russia feeds on humans and their production. It doesn't try to develop and to produce to self sustain
Wrong answer!! Russian propaganda!!
Fuck you and fuck that, traitor asshole
That makes about as much sense as giving parts of TX and CA to Mexico because they used to occupy them. Jesus, they are some stupid f'n people.
I like the logic. How about if we just voluntarily give up Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas to Canada in exchange for security guarantees? #MAGA!
I’d rather that we give Texas back to Mexico.
No one believes him. Or his shiz book that was contradiction after contradiction.
Vance need to take another vacation - a long long one.
Russians alrady have a sh**load of territory, so I doubt its about the land. Most likely its not what Vance and Putin are saying.
Guess what mascara boy Ukraine has a Security Agreement with the US. Clinton conned them into giving up their real security, nukes, for a promise from us we'd defend them. The US lied. Obama didn't Biden didn't Trump sided with Russia. Our Agreements our word are worthless Ukraine ain't stupid
J Dance Vance drag queen in mascara out working for Putin again like Trump. Russia is not going to get to keep land, eventually they are going to lose it. Reagan told the USSR to let East Germany go, Putin fangirl puppet Trump tells Ukraine give it up. No one listens to weaklings
Give them Alaska back.
No!🍁🍁 They are right next door. If you want to donate Alaska, give it to us. We will give them health care, education, empathy and compassion, but no guns all over the place. Those things are not nice and leave a mess when used.🍁🍁
How about we just give Vance to Russia and call it a day.
Make a 4 for 1 deal. They can take back agent Krasnov, BowmanHamelVance, Sissy SpaceX, and Peter Thiel for good measure.
JD Vance is a complete turd for selling Ukraine out to Russia along with Trump.
What a maroon!
This guy is such a horrible sac of pus.
It isn't the Russians' land to covet!! The Ukrainians want security, they want their children back, and they want to protect their people from living under a cruel dictator. The Russians are not entitled to jack shit!!
"Hillbilly Elegy" is not anyone to talk with about International relations or politics. Doesn't matter of he's an Ivy leaguer.
Why are you even entertaining Russian demands for another country’s territory? God help us.
Look, they don’t get to occupy any art of the couch
Ukraine is 2nd biggest country in europe don't give any back
The Russians also want to destroy the United States Of America and JD Vance and Donald Trump have reported for duty to deliver.
That’s not a negotiation you fucking clown.
The Ukrainians also don’t want to give up territory that the aggressor Russia hasn’t conquered.
Certain pieces, like Poland, Germany, France?
On the other hand, Russia should just get the fuck out of Ukraine and get nothing.
Vance is a fucking idiot.
Heads I win Tails you lose deal
Another instance of stating everything as tho it’s somehow “known” fact. And we’re all dolts for somehow not knowing it. 🖕🏼 him. It’s #distraction to keep you from the obvious fact of who the aggressor is here. Oh & those pesky files. Some that were stolen,,,some that need to be released -etc.
How many couches can he get in this deal?
"Russia wants to take, while Ukraine doesn't want to be taken. It's a classic he said / she said."
No it is defence.
The territory belongs to Ukraine and Ukraine were assured security back in the 1990s when they gave up Soviet era nuclear weapons. Putin/Russia violated that agreement while taking over Ukraine territory. Only Russia started this war.
Maybe Mexico should seize Texas back. I’m sure it would be ok with Trump and Vance as they’re up to giving territory away.
"You want to be ailve and I don't want you to be. So that is really where the meat of the negotiation is."
Amazing how he makes it sound as if it is ok just to "want certain pieces of territory". No condemnation, nothing. Soulless ghoul, who would sell out Ukraine in a heartbeat.
So he is now spouting Russian talking points?
Clearly: Krasnov and now Olga.
Yes.
Must be hanging out with Witkoff and Gabbard.
There is a picture of him wearing a USSR shirt. It makes sense.
What do you mean "now" Have we forgotten "Did you even say thank you?"
This clown is going to get dog walked through Russia.
HA instead of giving anything back Putin wants more Ukrainian territory than he already has... that meeting in Alaska sure was helpful
GFY hillbilly, signed the real world
