… have come away with the strong conviction that the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for a person like Elon Musk, who was neither born in the United States nor otherwise a citizen of the United States at birth, to be eligible to serve as co-president. Don’t @ me (2/2)
Trump follows the Constitution the same way my HOA board follows our governing documents.
It’s an attractive distraction to focus on Muskolini, but all of the American right wing oligarchs who produced Project 2025 are still working on implementing it and other atrocities while not drawing attention to themselves or their machinations.
I'm not an Ivy League lawyer or anything, but I'm also pretty sure they didn't intend for the American president to be a king. Especially considering the risks they had run to get rid of the king they had.
You must need a refresher course from one of the five GOP Supreme Court justices who are ivy League lawyers. I recommend the opinion one of them wrote for the others in Trump v. US. It channels James Madison. Or maybe it's Thomas Jefferson. I forget.
This is one of the reasons I detest George Conway. Imagine the contempt he must have for anyone he considers "leftist", at least with this post.
Actually he’s does not have contempt for the left. Being left means we trust the truth. He would have good reason to hold us in contempt if we didn’t. What is happening right now is unconstitutional and we voters have failed to uphold our constitution.
I know. But him and Kelly Anne gleefully helped us get here. Along with Joe and Mika. I don't trust George Conway. He has grifter vibes.
Well if only corrupt scotus read it correctly
Would need to be a picture book version.
They did, they just chose to ignore it.
Well, if only the side protecting the 14th amendment offers a better all-inclusive vacation
It's not a misreading of The Constitution, but a calculating "Conservative" Court to reframe The Constitution to read as they want it to, starting with "Money is Speech" and Corporate United, aka "Citizens United" decisions. Our enemies are using our own institutions against the people of the US
The SCOTUS "conservatives" have demonstrated they're willing to twist the law and the constitution any way necessary to get the results they want.
Agree!
I’m also pretty sure they didn’t expect to have a sexual abuser who also happens to be a convicted felon as president either.
Or a rapist!
I have some bad news for you about Thomas Jefferson.
Very true. Lots of them were hypocrites weren’t they. That’s why the oligarchs want to take us back there.
It's worth pointing out that even today, importing him from the past, King George III would probably be a better President than trump. Probably not King George IV, but that's another conversation.
Ahahaha 🤣
As @gtconway.bsky.social pointed out in this article, the Framers of the Constitution expected the presidency to be occupied by special individuals, selfless people of the highest character and ability.
And just in case that failed, the checks and balances they set up were supposed to provide some protections. That also fails when a single ideological movement or personality cult gets hold of all the levers. And here we are.
I will forever hold Mitch McConnell responsible for destroying checks & balances.
Also USC 14.3 prevents insurrectionists from holding office without a 2/3 vote from Congress to waive the restriction. We need a Congressional vote!
The footnote says there is no such thing as a ‘co-President’
Co-president to someone constitutionally disqualified to hold office, due to said amendment.
You are a weak weak excuse of a man. Go and get butt fked by the perverts on "your side" you pathetic insignificant inhuman.
Ask yourself why does he seem to have so much pull. What did he do to deserve a seat at the right hand of Trump? Plenty of people donated huge sums, what makes Musk's any different? Think about it, hard, then answer. Hint: it ain't the money.
It was the AI on November 5th.
the "Framers" had nothing to do w/14th (and 15th) Amendment, cf Thaddeus Stevens/John Bingham & Joint Committtee on Reconstruction
I believe you are correct. Also, if elected speaker, he can't be in line to be president
I think he is disqualified from serving as speaker because, in the event of a catastrophic event resulting in a vacancy in the Offices of the President and Vice President, he could not automatically ascend to President. It would cause a constitutional crisis.
He can be Speaker. He just can’t be President.
So, he would, effectively, be out of the line of succession from Day 1? Somehow, that seems wrong but, as the 45th presidential administration demonstrated, there's a WHOLE lot of wrong in the Constitution.
The line of succession was never intended to restrict the people who can hold those positions.The Constitution does not require Cabinet members or Senators and Congressional reps to be natural born citizens. But only those who are in the line AND meet eligibility can become acting. He’d be skipped.
Secretary of State is in the line of succession and Madeline Albright and Henry Kissinger served in that position despite not being eligible to step into the Presidency. That’s why there’s a list of other positions.
I almost hesitate to give voice to this but, what would be the disincentive to only put those ineligible to serve in the presidency in positions that are in the line of succession? In that case no one could effectively remove a president under the 25th Amd. because there would be no successor.
They’d elect a new speaker.
I suppose that would be the only available strategy. By the way, I am enjoying this discourse. It's much better here than that other place. 🙂
Thanks @mariamwatt.bsky.social. I don't have to like it but I get it. ☮️✌️
I only wish they had precluded convicted felons from ever being POTUS. Seems like an oversight
The founders believed in Common Sense. Sorry for the Paineful reminder.
They were all, technically, criminals themselves….discuss….
Just women and minorities, amirite?
Trump’s recreating part 2 of the TRUMP SWAMP. Time for the return of the swamp creature!
Swamp creature is smarter than rump
Elon is Trump's ticket to keep up his golf game, hang out at his clubs, and "do Presidency" at the same time.
Maybe say you citizens or patriots than you liberals. Sounds like you paint us as others I wouldn’t do that to you.
George, I get the echo chamber label. We’re guilty as charged. We’re ranting & raving about whatever topic is on the hit parade at any given moment, but in our defense, we’re pissed. So pissed we can’t even watch MSNBC anymore because we’re in pain. In truth it’s the fault of those who didn’t vote.
Well said.Understandably, y'all are pissed. But this affects some many more than just yourselves. You have citizens from allied countries worldwide worried sick about the same things. We all suffer now because you failed to protect yourselves. There were warning signs in '16 but were ignored.
Agree! As an American, I can’t stomach how we have NOT protected the People. We have NOT protected the Constitution! We have not used existing law to put away the coup’ers & traitors so now they run rampant & will rule & RUIN the WHOLE WORLD! Repubs r criminal traitors but Dems let them be!!!!!!🤬😢
As an outsider, this entire thing has weakened America to the point where new alliances are being formed with the intention to exclude a trumsk whitehouse. This is distressing to watch as innocent people are going to be hunted and persecuted by a trumsk government. It is really very concerning 😟 sad
So, George, do you think that Elon Musk and Trump have an understanding between them to back Trump for president? Is that why Musk turned X upside down to support Trump and flooded his campaign with money? Or is Musk just overly enthusiastic right now, and Trump will eventually put a stop to it?
That's great. Now, how do we get rid of him? He's acting like he owns the place...oh...yeah...he does, doesn't he? Bought it at the Republicans' fire sale.
Does anyone have any spray or traps that will do away with Muskrats?
What or who can get Musk out of our government???
Spot on😀😀
Can the GOP vote him in as Speaker of the House?
Yes
Anything's possible, but it won't happen. But he deserves to be made responsible...
Pretty sure they could.
That should make the next 2 years extremely entertaining.
If you find house fires entertaining. 🥵
Yes before Mike Johnson they were kicking around the idea of tfg being speaker
The House Speaker is 3rd in line for the presidency. Musk is constitutionally not qualified... not a technicality that the GOP will likely pay attention to.
Not necessarily true. Yes, the Speaker is in line, but can be simply skipped over if they don’t quality. It’s never been tested in court, but there have been plenty of folks in the line of succession who don’t meet the qualifications.
However, there is now a Supreme Court that believes presidents are above the constitution
Six SCOTUS Rs . . .
Secretary of State springs to mind as a role that's been filled with folks who couldn't meet the birth qualification, and it's fourth in line.
It’s fifth if you count the POTUS. President Pro-Tem of the Senate is right after Speaker and before SoS.
I feel this administration will be 1 long constitutional crisis.
It’s a nationwide civics lesson. If we manage to get to another vote, I’m pretty sure more people will show up, especially if they lose their healthcare.
We're there, dude...
No, the line of succession would skip over anyone not eligible to be president.
Agreed. By the time Musk assumes the VP office after trump is disappeared, the constitutional requirement for such a thing will cease to exist.
Yes, they can.
As absurd as it would be were that to happen, he couldn't be second in line to succession since he can't be POTUS. But I guess that would just bump the President pro tempore of the Senate from third to second in line. Not sure who that will be. 🤔
Patty Murray, senator pro tempor from Washington State. I know she wields a lot of power already. I worked on her Mom in Tennis Shoes congressional campaign back in the day!
Unfortunately, Patty Murray won't remain in that position in the new Congress; it will be a R. 😒
You’re right. I forgot we lost the senate too. 😩
Apparently yes. ???
Yes. He is not eligible to move up into prez job (citizen issue) but that does not prevent him from being SOH.
Please no
Yes but hear me out. GOP nominates him. That slim majority says "fuck that noise" and votes "present". Every DEM votes for Hakeem and he wins the majority 👀
But Moscow Musk has threatened to have them fired if any of them cross him in his initiative to govern. They would rather be voiceless and useless to the republic than unemployed and heroic.
Don't think speaker can fire a rep and needs a 2/3 house vote for expulsion. Moot if they elect Hakeem by majority. 38 voted against CR, like 8 or less to vote present and Dems to unanimously vote for Hakeem. I'm by no means certain but research seems to support. Elon couldn't stop it 😂
Who is going to enforce/follow up on it? Say….someone wants to sue him, will the Supreme Court and all the “followers of originalism judges” take up the case in good faith?
The Framers were all keenly aware of the threats that piracy posed, they just never imagined that they would actually be taking over the leadership of the U.S. government. They thought only those of honor, ethics, and the highest standards would be elected to the Presidency. They were wrong.
Well, that’s simply not true.
Don't compare them to pirates. Pirates voted democratically, resisted early capitalism and organized their workplace while fighting imperial forces.
You are correct. Pirates functioned as cooperatives. They took care of their own. They had an early form worker's compensation insurance. A pirates' life for me.
bring back ethics and morality
Actually, the founders assumed that scoundrels would be elected to all political offices. Thus the checks and balances. See, e.g., Federalist #51. What they inadequately anticipated was two branches of government surrendering to the third.
Benjamin Franklin may have anticipated this in saying that the republic will come to an end when people figure out that they can vote themselves money. We live in the decline of the republic under exactly such terms.
actually, 🤑 corrupted all branches
Good luck with that! not in the trump administration!!
That ship sailed off into the sunset a while ago, unfortunately.
What do you mean by bring back? Our founding fathers were not perfect. This country was built on immoral and unethical acts. Do you think the electricity you use came about through morals and ethics? No, it was through ruthless millionaires taking what they want and using politicians to get it.
I don't believe that, I think the founders of our constitution new full well this could happen. George Washington himself warned of it in his letter to Congress. I am a liberal who has read The Federalist Papers and the Constitution. Not just the Bill of Rights. Trump has never read any of those.
I believe the founders would be shocked at the power of the Presidency. Except for maybe Hamilton. Congress has abrogated it's duties for decades. I am not a fan of the imperial Presidency, both parties love it but only when their guy is in power. ALL HYPOCRITES!
I think they would be more shocked at women having a vote and Black Americans' holding office. I'm just saying.
I don't think Hamilton, Adams, or Frankllin would be shocked, the slave owners like Jefferson would. They would all be shocked at women voting. After all God wanted men to make all the decisions.🤣
You are better read than me, but I think that President Harris would have freaked them the hell out. A woman of color having MORE power than a white land-owing man! Just look at how many brains broke in our generation. 🧠 💣
She scared them just like Obama. Worse, she had tit's, and that makes them mad and scared. She intimidated men and women on the right.
Yep, one more thing that pisses off the religious right voting block.
The whole original point of the electoral college was to allow educated, smart people to avoid an election of a conman who could convince idiots to vote for him. But it failed it's true test.
It had many reasons to exist, but you are 100% correct it's outlived it's never been usefulness.
Agree, Elmo now believes he is the most powerful puppet to ever be handled by Putin and he now fingers Trump from that experience. Fun play group.
Did same and the Constitution is clear but there’s nothing to stop him being House Speaker …. sadly …. He’s been a US citizen since 2002 ….
Border czar said he does not read it as conveying birthright citizenship, so…
Too bad republicans lack the willingness to honor the constitution. They voted for a seditionist.
Now that Trump has exposed us all to how easy it is to screw up the greatest nation in the world, anyone/idiot can be POTUS
I have been saying that for years!
It wouldn’t be so easy to screw the greatest nation in the world if it were the greatest nation in the world. It ain’t. Sincerely, RoW
Yes, and we seem to be showing true colors. Sad 😔.
Good point!
Wow. Talk about subverting the dominant paradigm. Well done you!
Dominant …according to?
The dominant paradigm is that America is "the greatest country on Earth." As you rightly point out, that can't be true given how we've managed to fork it up so badly.
then why don't you become potus if anyone/idiot can be potus?
Any idiot with rich friends n zero shame*****
Republicans don't know what's in the Constitution
A convicted grifter and yes, a rapist, by definition.
Had me in the first half 🤣
Agreed
Can we amend to include nor Speaker of the House, 2nd in presidential line of succession.
You mean the framers who wrote the document after seceding from an empire because its head of state enjoyed immunity and impunity and was thus above the law, which is, quite frankly, insane? Now please excuse me while I go catch up on what's new from the Supreme Court this year.
Kings did not have total immunity. Charles I was beheaded.
Countdown until Trump makes the Supreme Court give him immunity from physics: 5... 4...
So you're saying there's a chance? 🤞
I plead the 5th!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 yet TFG will let him waltz right in. He must hold trump’s paper. Bought it from Putin. 🤬🤬🤬
This doesn't have anything to do with where Elon is born, and everything to do with him being a wealthy, unelected, privileged donor.
Where he was born does matter when MAGA is hating on immigrants and giving their vote to someone who wants to denaturalize citizens.
I think you’re on to something George
It to be clear thou, originalism is a tool employed to find the outcome some like imho
I knew that is where you were going....
But what can we do to stop this guy?
Illegal immigration is destroying this country unless the illegal immigrant is wealthy and wants to destroy the country to make himself more wealthy. Isn’t that in the Constitution?
It seems like they didn't intend for insurrectionists to hold the Presidency either, but that's the plan in one month.
Or liable sexual abusers but here we are
My discerning eye agrees with your discerning eye. Actually, I use both. My discerning eyes agree with your discerning eye.
LOL
There’s one “Founding Father” intention that isn’t open for interpretation, it’s pretty clear but has the Constitution ever stopped Donny when Donny wants something?
I get what you’re saying but Musk will be the real President and tRump will be a figurehead living in a FL hotel like my nana did at that age. 🤷🏼♀️ #Facts
I believe the same thing!
Hey @gtconway.bsky.social, the Framers of Amendment XIV didn't intend for insurrectionists to become Presidents either. "But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability." Visit usareset.net/forum/viewto... to see how to get this corrected. Won't 2/3 pass, then enforce!
George you had me at “You know, I realize how…”
Right. Trump was the man with the charm but Elon is the real guy. Wow.
Trump went out to play 18 holes and came back to learn Elon demoted him.
😂😂
He should be immigrant zero in the upcoming deportation epidemic.
As far as I can tell, he is even an illegal immigrant, he came into the country on a students' visum for 3 months, and never left. But for Trump, at least his skincolor is the right one. RIght?
Bro actually CHOSE his skin color (orange)
Is he a citizen? I’ve heard both sides.
Wait until we find out Elen is actually Ralph Wiggums?
George, gimme a break!!! He’s not the “co-president” (such a position, doesn’t not exist…) He’s the owner! Big difference…
I mean my issue isn't originalism per se, it's that consistent originalists don't (and can't, imo) exist
The population of the US in 1776 was 2.8 million; now it is over 300 m. There must be statesmen now just as smart as the founders, who could never predict social media, internet, etc. Get over the reverence, re-amend and straighten out the mess. The founders would be revolted by the corruption today
But can Mr. Musk become Speaker of the House?
He’s setting himself up to be Speaker of the House.
I agree but they do not care. Nothing gonna stop it!
But, but....but; So many of the SCOTUS Right-wing see themselves as "originalists". How can that be @George?
He is not co-president. He is the president. He purchased the presidency from Trump for an undisclosed amount of money. Trump is merely his spokesman, the WH Press Secretary essentially. Musk bought the presidency just like he bought Tesla. I assure you this is the case.
Trump is complicit in this. $$$ That’s why Trump has not kicked him to the curb. Musk is paying him a daily fee. Musk is the realDonaldTrump.
Absolutely right, Sir! Trump had one goal - to save himself from prison. So it's actually free. The money was given for bribes and trolls.
We should shout it loud and wait for the ego battle to begin😁
Mr. Conway, I respect your principles. If we're going to go with Constitutional Originalism, then let's go with it in the fullest sense: A. SCOTUS has no explicit authority to declare executive acts or Acts of Congress or state legislatures unconstitutional..
Oh fuck you. Not this shit. Weirdo.
Can you read it again? Because, I'm pretty sure trump will be the co-president and Elon Musk is his boss.
George, as a smart, conservative lawyer, how can we execute the clause in the 14th amendment regarding excluding insurrections from public office to prevent the president-elect from assuming office?
Not mad at you at all George. You call it like you see it.
Musk is a real James Bond villain. Richest man in the world, always wanting more. Instead of replacing the President and Congress with robots, he bought the President and Congress.
Democrats getting replaced by robots (Manchin, Sinema, Fetterman, for starters) sounds pretty realistic for Musk all things considered.
Rachel Maddow did an excellent piece on why Musk got involved with Trump this year. 1st part of her Monday 12-16 show... Summary: Government data tracks auto-driving crashes. Tesla has most by far. Govt opened investigation. Musk gets Trump elected and investigation will go away. Corrupt.
Occam's razor ... Yeah this is the simplest. (No sarcasm)
I literally said this the other day to someone. He literally is like a James Bond villain!!
Mike is the BEST!
You’re kidding, right?
Mike Luckovich; the political cartoonist. He is consistently brilliant.
At following others and taking orders
I think they meant Mike Luckovich, the political cartoonist.
Exactly.
And who’s going to stop them? I see no obvious sign of anyone, or anything that will prevent this from continuing, and becoming even MORE entrenched than he already is. ☹️
Two narcissists will eventually combust
That’s my thought! There can be only one comes to mind.
If only we could send them both to Mordor, back to where they came from.💍
I hope, but they’ve managed to continue so far. It will likely happen, just not nearly soon enough. ☹️ Worse, they’ll still find a way to continue their chaos, only from some remove position, instead of a public explosion we all wish would occur. There’s money to be made and libs to stomp on. 🫤
"Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it, nothing can succeed." Abraham Lincoln. Give it time....
It’s fucking horrifying. Heartbreaking. And terrifying
I still think Putin is at the controls. Maybe with Elmo inserted as a minder.
Nailed it!
Not bad for a third grade back seat driver.
😆🤣👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
George I would like to personally thank you for all you did and all you spent to save us from Trump. If you decide to leave the country, will you take me with you? Oh I guess I cant even afford a passport. I keep feeling he won't get inauguated. Wishful thinking or claircognizant?
Life is like a Boomerang. What you put out to the world sooner or later comes back to you. If you put out evil, then he can come back 10 fold, often after you think you got away with it. What will one do to feed their greed? I claircognizance he will end up indicted by more than one country.
That would be terrific.
How about Ketamine use, did they mention anything about that ?
He is apparently the actual president elect with the driveling senior schmuck as his side piece. Here's what I want for Xmas:
I have a black belt in patience.😎
The very fact that Musk has literally bought his way into the American government, to a level of immense influence on vital policy, is a grave concern. Especially given that his financial success is intimately dependent on the nature of those policies. The conflict of interest is beyond palpable.
I thought he was first lady?
Trump became a GOP star via his birther attack on Obama and as karma he’s now stuck with a co-president who actually was born in Africa.
Except WE’RE stuck with him, too.
South Africa… Africa is not a country
But Musk is pasty white.
The pastiest white that ever was seen in fact.
By "co-president" do you mean "boss"?
Can't they just go over his road to citizenship and get him on something? There are so many claims about cheating on his citizenship.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
President musky man bows down to nobody except daddy!
But he has lots, lots of money so it is OK.
Why do you listen to people like Conway? He's a bore. Valerie Jarrett, an Iranian is Obama's best friend and co President through the Obama years. The pallets of cash, ISIS, and other gifts to the country that chants death to America... all lead to that relationship
Trump has announced 3 South African Apartheid racists to help run his kingdom of doom. The TRILLIONAIRES not billionaires, ( $43T sitting in their offshore accounts evading US taxes) would rather kill off half the population,(Musk's plan) rather than part with a dime.
Trump’s an OG racist (and draft-dodger).
No notes.
But he has the same melanin deficiency...so more acceptable I guess?
and an "exotic" accent also EM is as erratic as DT can be so he's getting a dose of his own medicine...karma
Trump has always required hand holding, the lawyer who was his mentor, Putin and now Musk.
Didn’t Trump call Africa a ‘shithole country’ ?
On a point of grammar is Elon Musk co-president or Co-President? This is, perhaps, a question for Miguel Cardona... although I'll accept Linda McMahon's take on it.
It was the Black part. not the idea of Africa per se. It was because Obama was Black.
What???? You’re kidding!?!? How did no one know this before?????
Appears this wasn’t clear for everyone…
Scratch a Republican and a racist bleeds... Too preoccupied with their own hatred to notice that we ALL bleed the exact same colour 🙄
No, EVERYONE knew it was about race. The entire tea party movement was about having a black president.
I’m Black, I know very well that it was about race, so bringing up Obama in the context of white Afrikaner Elon made no sense to me.
Because the republicans pretended it was about birthplace, not race.
It made no sense.
🎯🎯🎯 Thank you - I knew I wasn’t the only one who caught that.
When I read it I wanted to say the same thing you did…I knew if I scrolled down in replies someone would point out the obvious.
Like minds 🥰
I don't believe in karma but if it was real it would be a b**ch. 😁
He’s not co-president. Musk is the president. He bought the position with his millions, and the orange ass served it to him on a golden platter!
Brilliant 👏
But his co-president is white so apparently that makes it acceptable.
It would be so cool if a Democrat with communication skills would say this. I was hoping they’d say it during the campaign!
This is funny
So true!
I like this.
Hmm... I feel like there's a glaring difference between Musk and Obama but I can't quite put my finger on it!
Besides Obama being physically fit and good looking and the other not so much? 😉
Ah, you're right. Must be the his tan...
And came here illegally
Musk is African American
But he’s the right color for them
You can't write that level of comedy.
#PresidentMusk
Musk is not a co-president. He is the incoming POTUS. Don't believe me? Ask Trump to throw Musk out of Mar-a-Lago. He won't because he can't. Musk owns him, hook, line, and everything else.
This. All. Day. Long.
Bingo! The Felon OWES the Interloper. The Interloper OWNS the Felon.
The difference is that his South African co-president is not black but an Afrikaner. It has nothing to do with the birth origin but from the color of the skin. Remember when he said why couldn’t we get more migrants from Norway instead of shitty country.
Excellent point!
but white
Just like 2 of 3 of trump's immigrant wives.
You're a genius.
You can't make this sh*t up
Irony!!
That and his completely false "Apprentice" character as a master deal maker and businessman. He was actually near bankruptcy and the show saved him. The Trump Tower offices were so shabby that they had to build a boardroom set for the show.
Ha!
It’s all good because he’s the right type of south african
But, but…he’s a white man! So that makes it ok to have Musk as Co-President! ( sarcasm)
🤣
Apartheid enriched, entitled South African billionaires don’t count.
That’s fun for him. Not the rest of the world
True but the actual root of his birther attacks centered around the fact that he was Black . Trump is a virulent racist .
South African Afrikaners are African only in regard to geography. They and all white supremacists need to be outlawed. The world is not safe with the hate they practice.
Oh the irony…
But the important part for Trump isn't Africa, it's White.
Bwahahaha!
The press should ask Trump at his next news conference.. have you spoken to Elon Musk…what does he think…
An immigrant richer than him, smarter than him and equal attention whore. Gonna be fun to watch
This is the kind of post that gives me hope there aren't stupid people everywhere!! Just voting majorities that's it.
In essence, Queen Karma has gifted Trump with an Afrikaner American co-President…
President, not co-President.
But Elon is white, so that’s ok. (Please detect extreme sarcasm.)
it always comes back to GOP HYPOCRISY.
I do see the humor in that😝
Excellent observation
yes
Yeh true, it doesn’t matter he’s the richest person on the face of the place, what once was in gone, the rule of law, integrity, corruption is in and no one will stop Trump and his goons.
I'm pissed that nobody has called this out until now. This was a major problem at the time, and every time I brought it up I was shut down. Well guess what happened
Logic is not part of the Trump half page dictionary.
I disagree. His dictionary is a post it note.
All BS smoke and mirrors Just like the wizard of oz
Neither is objective data
They're not co-presidents. Elon's in charge.
He owns Trump. Bought and paid for. And it is so obvious so when does Trump start to react. He is all Id
Trump is acting the same way with Musk as he has with Putin. He is in their debt. Both men secured the Presidency for him.
You are right. Musk is just the most obnoxious avatar of a human fronting him with a legion of equally willing assholes to be clown themselves. But hey get rich or die trying as Nancy Mace says
Well said and by the way, IMO Nancy Mace is a desperate and pathetic media whore.
I suppose trump could always try to deport him if he gets too annoying. Why not? It won't be trump's money fighting leon in court for the next 50yrs.
He will get someone else to do it. He is a wimp after all.
Nobody owns Trump. He can't be bought, even though he can easily be rented; he's too gullible not to be rented by multiple people with conflicting interests at the same time.
Agree since Trump doesnt have the mental nor physical ability to govern. Musk knows this.
We all know this.
I'm thinking the same. His dementia is getting really bad. Musk is pulling the strings
But treasonous Trump knows when somebody else is getting more attention than his attention whore ass is.
And Musk has computer game experience. Almost makes him over qualified for the GOP.
actually i think Musk is in charge not because of that, but b/c he paid $277M to Trump, in exchange for a HUGE list of demands. Musk's demands will be the first 50 executive orders Trump signs. Musk has kompromat on Trump.
Not saying you are wrong but he bought trump
There is no kompromat capable of tarring Trump. Moscow knows its per tapes would only win him more sympathy from his minions.
Agree. That’s one reason he calls Putin. To thank him.
I consider his whole $44 Billion purchase of Twitter to be a Trump campaign contribution
So does Putin.
Time will tell. I truly hope you are wrong. 🙏🏼
The orange menace is also dependent on Musk(rat) to threaten GOP congress members with funding primary opponents if they do not toe the line. Parasitic symbiotic relationship between those two. Musk needs the gov't power the orange one has as president, and orange guy needs Musk financial power.
Right. Don’t forget he went visiting Putin before the election.
His ties to Putin are keeping him from a TS/SCI clearance too. And his drug use.
The terrifying thing is that Putin has kompromat on both.
Luckily, Trump never pays his creditor!
No one needs kompromat on Trump to get what they want. All they have to do is provide effusive flattery about his "big brain" and good looks.
And as he continues to sink further into dementia, he’ll be susceptible to suggestion.
Putin
Nope. Putin is.
Need to start calling him president Musk
Elonia bought the presidency! Little Donnie is the First Lady!
I think Elon represents a cabal of unnamed oligarchs. They see how Trump has gone off script numerous times & blown their plans. Now Elon has been assigned to babysit him. #TrumpIsAUSEFULIDIOT
Fair
This!!!
Putin is in charge of both trump and Musk.
He became a racist idol for racist Nazi magas, Many GOP hated him. He used to be a Democrat in name only, We saw him for what he is a Lying sack of BS Always has-been and always will be...tRumpledthinskin
Yeah but he’s white. You think Trump has any problem with Charlize Theron?
"What's the difference, I wonder?" She asked knowingly....
And is an illegal alien as he lied on his citizenry application. He worked in the US without a green card. I say deport the bastard.
My confusion here stems from not knowing exactly which one of them is kissing the other one's ass....
You can’t write this.
Well yeah….but he’s got that trump approved skin tone.
Never made that connection. And, it’s not a conspiracy theory, just fact. I wonder what kind of crappy immigration system would allow someone who blatantly lied about his reason for being here to become a citizen. He was supposed to enroll in graduate level classes, but had no undergrad degree😆😆💩💩💩
Definitely something for Democrats to explore in various confirmation hearings and the like. Chancers are they're too cowardly to go thee, but we can always hold out hope.
Hahahahaha!!
And isn't "Africa" one of those sh*hole countries!?
Hmmmm… what’s different about Musk’s African birth?
Thats a great point. Bill Moyers did a great job of highlighting this a few years ago too. youtu.be/idKUyllNHbI
Whst do you mean, "co-"?
In other words — the Universe is chuckling with amusement!
Does Elon count as a “shithole” country immigrant?
Trump is trying his best ignore Elon's illegal immigrant status because tech bro' owns him now.
Post it far and wide. I’d love to see images like this drive a wedge between them.
Thanks for sharing with us. It's perfect!!
I check the other place mostly for non-political stuff that isn't here (yet). But every now and then...
I was going back but it just has been feeling like way too much work lately.
🤣🤣🤣
No Karma here. Musk is white.
A1
Hilarious!
Damn, that’s good
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Trump will tire of Elon and it will be glorious TV
But he's white, so...
😂😂😂😜
Following you for that!!!
“Co-President” 🎯
And wasn't his son born before his mother became became a citizen?
You win the internet today!
Very good point!
Karma
Yeah, but Elon's pasty white.
But not Kenya.
Make me rethink my "I don't believe in karma" stance.
Perfectly said!
And who was 18 or 19 when Apartheid ended. When do you think he started looking for another predominantly white country where he could ramp it up again? Two of the most petty and ignorant men on earth - it's a perfect match.
But, he’s the right color, so.
Elmo is white though, so that makes it all right...?
It's insane that none of you know that the original birth denier of Obama was none other than HILLARY CLINTON
South Africa, raised in apartheid.
Thank you for pointing this out.
pardon me? where are you getting your information from? I didn't know Ohio was in Africa
Ahahahahaha! Funny.
IMHO the co-president is the Orange Menace.. South african is de-facto President! He has the Money!
This!!!!!
😂😂
Doesn't count. Elno is white. You know. The "good" kind of African.
great observation, something very poetic in this situation.
Prediction: Once the press starts reporting that Musk is really in charge and that Trump is only a figurehead, Trump will dump Musk so fast it’ll make Elon’s head spin. Then Trump will call Musk a loser every chance he gets.
I agree, thanks for the chuckle!!!!
HOWEVER, he bought that position and the man that sold it would sell his mother for less!
Or as Speaker of the House.
It's not about where he's from, it's about what he wants to do. Trump is breaking the system to allow a takeover by Musk.
I’m thinking perhaps, maybe, I agree with you.
Echo chamber website ? You like being called a nazi or stupid ?
It's satire.
We really need a sarcasm emoji. As I am fluent in sarcasm (spoken & written), it’s easy for me. The invention of social media has been an eye-opening experience regarding the number of people who simply can’t tell the difference.
😏
¿ if I remember correctly
I use this 🙄.
That’s the one I use, too. My face has been in a permanent state of eye roll since 2016. Usually followed with, they’re kidding, right?
We have one. It's called the sarcastrophe and is composed of the character / (forward slash) and the character s (lowercase letter S). For example: What a great idea /s
Yep.
George was not being sarcastic. He stated his legal opinion on the constitution which I support.
I was pissed when I read that at first, but I do think he was being sarcastic.
Sarcasm. Literally.
Go back and re-read in the sarcasm font…
He's being sarcastic.
Over your head much?
Please. Deep breath. Satirical take.
Easy man. George is one of the Good Guys. 👍
You always make me laugh. And you know Ion is the actual president. How long until Trump says I hardly knew him. He helped me with nothing.
Yeah, the framers greatly underestimated the potential for depravity amongst all those that are supposed to be checking and balancing each other.
Article II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5 of the Constitution says, "No person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President." Would that disqualify a person born in South Africa from serving as President? 😉
Felon Sissy-Pants was an easy target. What a bargain tho... Musk got a real deal for a presidency, a 24 hour ATM machine, and he gets to bully weak-kneed MAGA Senators with threats of getting primaried for fun.
Ok, keep digging. I don’t know if you heard but scientists still rereading the stream theory of Einstein's, I guess because "Theory of Relativity” change in context therefore what it make you believe that interpretation of our constitution didn’t change ? Remember human factor is corrupted.
Of course.
I thought the big switcheroo was going to be between Trump and Vance. But now that we have President Musk, all bets are off.
George, we’re all on the Enemies List. All the way from the soft right to people like me, who inhabit the dark, unknown areas to the left of Bernie. It’s the better part of wisdom for all of us to put our disagreements aside until such time as we’re no longer under threat of ideological cleansing.
You had me there for a second.
Can't always rely on the drafters. In 1866 republicans reached super majorities in both houses of Congress and pushed through a civil rights bill Andrew Johnson vetoed and was later overidden on. I think had Lincoln survived reconstruction would have included less carpet baggers.
The problem with "federalists-constitionalists" is that you insist on applying the thoughts and social views of the 1700s on today's society and populations. That's why your boy "brewski brett" is comfortable destroying the rights of women, non catholics, and minorities.
Finding a few things that appeal to you doesn't make it a relevant document in 2024. There's too many problems trying to apply the boundaries of 1700s to today... starting with the electoral college.
He’s not our boy
Brewski Brett is a member of the Federalist Society and was STRONGLY endorsed and promoted by George Conway.
If I were advising Trump, I'd mention to him that playing Elon Musk's puppet isn't the best look for a pol whose schtick is *toughness*. I'd love to see an SNL cold open illustrating this. www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/u...
But that’s not what AI told me the fourteenth amendment says
I think they are on the same page. Trump/Musk will pull us out of NATO, re-align us with Russia/China, threaten our current allies with destruction unless they accept the new world order. Musk’s end game has always been king of the world, he already has the US with the biggest army in the world.
But it doesn’t say that he can’t be a shadow president
You are correct, sir. He has no business in the United States government. Why anyone isn't stopping him is beyond me. The Constitution is very clear.
... bring back Christmas I was this days old when I realized the horror, Herod I was still alive when Herod II killed Jesus
where did Christmas go? Bring back Saturnalia!
I’m thinking that as soon as trump is inaugurated, he will stab Elon in the back, and dump him… these two egos will never get along… IMO 🤪😜🔥👍
What’s that have to do with being liberal? Regardless of party we all understand this so wtf? This feels like unnecessary nastiness. What, are you sick of playing nice? Missing the L/C war? There’s not a liberal that I know who thinks Musk should have the influence he does over Trump so…🤷♀️
Constitutional originalism becomes an issue when some who wish to promote it do so based on a racist agenda, who define what they wish to support, to hold no equality at all. Aside that I take no issue with it. But it seems some originalist could care less with having a proxy President in Musk/Putin
Everything for my friends, the law for the rest of you. #NoToFascism
It’s not constitutional originalism that’s bad, it’s just when it is used to justify the denigration of other people. The Constitution enshrined rights only for white men, so we really do need to keep a critical eye toward it. I’m not a fan of you lumping liberals together either, it’s beneath you
Hey @gtconway.bsky.social , did you happen to see anything in there about a postal service, by any chance?
Not @ you at all! Total agreement. Lucky use 2 slippery eels with big mouths & want to own all!.😩
**lucky us!
You’re right George, how much longer do you think Vice President trump will play second fiddle to Elon?
‘Co’ ? Looks like Musk is planning to have the resolute desk all to himself.
Completely agree with you.
Pretty sure the idea of any non elected co president was not on their playbook )
Well, no shit George we know that he doesn’t have any say so in any government here he’s not a citizen
And yet…he’s got money and money bought him a president
Yep, it bought him a President and it makes him ugly cars and so-called trucks that are also ugly
Yep
Yet he has had a say so because of Trump. Check his recent activity.
Absolutely he has, but it’s not legal and that’s a difference. It’s legal in the mentally unhinged, lunatic dementia, psychopath pathological liar 34 time convicted felon convicted rape his eyes but in the eyes of the law it’s not legal in our not their fucking law.
ONLY if someone enforces. Otherwise it's a collection of meaningless words.
The Dominionists don't care. They need a stand-in for the Beasts of the Sea and Earth for their little ritual.
And amazingly we keep thinking that if we point this out, it will matter to someone. They dont give a sht and neither do the people who voted for them. I actually saw someone who said Elon is a good idea because he has so much money, he will be able to leave some for the rest of us! jeez
George. I’m very liberal, a lawyer, I & respect much of our Constitution. However, the Framers loved & enshrined slavery, as well as the characterization of women as being less than men. Also, would Asians have been in a Framer’s government? Please parse this out for me. Many thanks.
Your conservative views and knowledge are so necessary at this time. Keep going!!!
Appreciate the analysis. FYI, though- it's not an echo chamber just because people choose not to argue or engage with an agenda laike maga that is designed to troll. It's like turning off the NFL pregame show that prefers to scream rather than inform.
Maybe we should ask Garland? That’s if he’s still alive…..our country is being destroyed and we’re all sitting back watching it burn down,while texting on social media, we need some real leaders to organize and fight for our country.ASAP We have an African born billionaire just buying this country
He's hoping to buy the UK too.
Musk should be the #1 immigrant in line for deportation.
Thank you.
You are right
Well! Just remember that Baby Hitler is getting along in years and needs a little help now and again.
Oh, my dear George. This is no longer about liberal vs. Conservative. It’s about intellect, truth, critical thinking and reading skills. Elon musk is a clear and present danger.
The richest man on the planet has bought the U.S. presidency and obviously trump is ok w/Musk shadowing him. Perhaps that was their deal. trump is in mental decline. He may rely on his fellow billionaire Musk’s “guidance” for their goal = $ and power grab.
This is what happens when right leaning courts green light the purchase of a presidency. You get a de facto President Elon (with a suspect visa) and a felon VP Trump (cosplaying POTUS on Truth social at 3 AM.) Elon Musk has a faulty J-1 to H-1B visa path. Trump, a record and broken moral compass.
I agree with you, George!! What the hell is going on here!!! We didn't have an election for president, there was election for the next big tv star and his cast of crazy, stupid, mean friends that come in a ruin everything for everybody except their own circle. Cue the canned laughter.
Bold assertion.
I'm starting to understand why establishment conservativism no longer has a constituency
Eeehhhhh
When Elon removes people's social security, will this be labelled an act of terrorism against a country?
Yes. It will truly be a tyrannical government if that happens
What about an insurrectionist becoming president?
And Musk shouldn’t be Speaker, since that would make him second in line for a job the Constitution says he can’t hold! But do Republicans care? Heck no!!
I believe they would just skip over to the next eligible person. Nothing prohibits him from being Speaker (other than good sense)
Good point.
#PresidentMusk … hopefully this will drive Toddler Trump crazy
I AGREE. In fact, I think Elmo plans to be acting president.
And we were worried Vance was going to run things. Show me the pecking order and where he fits. 🤔 Is he just the legal sub? because Musk can’t be president until they amend the constitution anyways.
Right? Because there can’t be three “alpha” males😆
So Mysk will amend it through Trump before they remove Trump as POTUS. A mentally ill dementia victim is easily manipulated, and fascists don't care what the actual process requires.
😂😂😂 thoroughly enjoyed this one.
Is Elton even registered as a lobbyist? What is the approval process for co-President?
Thomas Jefferson argued that future generations of Americans should NOT be tied to many of the original tenets laid out for THOSE times. He said it was unfair to shackle future generations of Americans to Outdated principles/rules and societies needed to evolve as necessary. See 14th, 2nd 4 example
That is why they created the amendments. So that the constitution and government could grow with the country.
Some additional ones need serious updating is my real point there. Apologies.
Cute that you still refer to the constitution
Well, I'm not a constitutionalist or a lawyer. I'm a female retiree with an intact brain. And I knew that.
Thanks for expressing what my also intact brain was struggling to say.
Thank you for saying that.
My pleasure. My brain is a little tied-up this morning overprocessing all the shitty news I’m reading.
It is overwhelming, & it's only just begun. 🙏
Indeed it has. 🤦🏼♀️
And we should what about that? Petition the corrupt courts who aided and abetted the election of this disaster?
We should DO what about that? If Fani convicts RG in GA can he be pardoned?
Let’s try again, shall we? This time with more ketamine
Oh, you mean President Musk?
Hard agree. So hard it hurts.
Thank you for keeping us informed.
😆
I want to run for president of the @gtconway.bsky.social fan club. Also Elon needs to be deported.
Controversial opinion tbs, but I concur
Intentions of US founders have no relevance anymore. Reality begs (I mean chooses) to differ with originalism. Not @ ing you sir. Just replying here.
As a great man, who is wealthy enough to hire 24 hour security for his family, once said, "Money is people my friend".
Nah, ain't mad at you, George! Stay the course and continue to tell the truth about Muskrat's illegal attempt to become President of the United States. This unwanted immigrant from South Africa needs to shut the hell up, take down his tent, and get gone! Adios, Pendejo!
Oh well. Should have voted.
The ones who didn’t vote aren’t paying attention now either. They will keep their heads buried until a policy change hits them in the face (or wallet). Then they’ll be full of shock & anger but will blame “both sides” being terrible instead of Trump.
Nailed it!
So billionaire 'President Muskrat' wants to shut the federal gov't down with a 100 or so of his jumping-up-and-down tweets sent on his X platform in the early morning hours. I guess the convicted felon who was elected to be the next president has forfeited his position. Talk about Stop the Steal.
Psychologists call Musk’s behaviour right now a “narcissistic explosion”, like when OBL destroyed the World Trade Center
You know some libs who are not apoplectic about that?
Not “co-“. Musk paid cash and owns presidency outright.
Did you check the penumbra? You have to look in the penumbra, George. You can also find presidential immunity there.
It also precludes trumper from being president. So what's your point? No one is enforcing our laws, nevermind the Constitution. America is no longer a functioning democracy and certainly not shining anything on any (mole) hill. The WTYS excuse isn't getting anything back for us.
George don't be naive. Elon has no intention of being a co- president. He paid for the presidency, he has no plan to share it. He will orchestrate the use of the 25th amendment and with the rest of Trump's cabinet of loonies, they will oust Trump.
THAT IS WHAT I SAID LAST WEEK. Elon Musk shouldn’t be allowed in government‼️
At this point, does the Constitution even apply anymore? These people don't play by the rules. The 14th Amendment means nothing to them.
Co president 😂 he bought it outright.
I. TOTALLY. AGREE!!!
But now they want him as Speaker.
Is he eligible. 3rd in line, would need to be a citizen.
That's what I think too. There must be a rule to that effect. But the Republicans will try to change it.
Man we know this what U don’t seem to ever realize is that the GD USC was written BY AND FOR THE RICH and not FOR THE PPL. I am sick of being Britain 2 and it’s sick monarchy. ALOng w stupid colonialism that never ends until the entire GLOBE is subsumed
www.msnbc.com/the-last-wor...
What no one in the news understands is: Felon45 & his Musky give a DAMED about how things in our traditional government work and they DO NOT even want to learn, because they are school yard bullies that are about to crown themselves kings on inauguration day, so they DON’T need to know jack*
How does that work national security wise when a South African national, who has meetings and discussions with Putin, has free access to the same intel as the President? If I were the ODNI I would be scared shitless about all our secrets will be handed over to our enemies, and be destroying them.
That worries me more, but yeah, they're pretty much throwing out the Constitution by having an un-elected official running the government unilaterally since Congress won't do their job and make their own decisions.
Preaching to the choir, George.
Not sure I agree that he’s co-President. He’s it with Trump as the PINO (POTUS in name only). Dude is the second administration’s Trump’s Brain. Now if we can get a magazine to put that on the cover ….. Musk might get “fired” in no time.
It is not about Elon Musk but Trump’s childish character that can be easily manipulated. He was as 45 & will be as 47. Whoever who has most $$ & most vicious intentions will control him. GW Bush was also similar
And who apparently arrived illegally, just as Melania did. But who's counting? 😀
Yes and notice it says Congress advises The President on his choices before approval, where does it say they can reject a choice or refuse to consider, (SCOTUS) as an example. Just wondering as impeachment for any position is the cure for a ‘bad’ choice.
Agree! 💯
I am in no way comfortable with Elon Musk’s seemingly high degree of influence on the coming administration. However, I don’t believe this is the first time unelected friends of a president have had an oversized level of influence. The egos will soon clash I believe.
language is a malleable medium that exists in a social and political context; i don't see any of the scotus folks who claim to be originalists believing that the word "vehicle" would not include an airplane, even though planes did not exist in the colonial imaginary.
You are right. I don’t think they even wanted the current 🍊-elect to be President based in his actions.
If nothing else Mr Conway you have completely dispelled my theory that conservatives are unable to be funny
Constitution shmonstitution
Co- president..... I think that's covered in the 666th amendment.
Seriously? Don’t @ you? 🙄
100%!! He's not even an elected official, FFS! What are we even doing?!
I wholeheartedly concur.
Musk is not a co-president. Must is the president. The man with the most money gets the job. Trump is just a frontman.
The Trump administration’s purpose is to repeal the 14th.
I have said this before on this platform but will say it again. Trump is playing checkers. Musk is playiong chess.
He shouldn't be Speaker either.
Especially since he'd be 3rd in Line and can't be as a foreigner
I'm nobody, but I AM someone and, although not a Constitutional scholar, I can read that which is printed in black and white. Not only do I agree, but assert that the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, would deny DJT's confirmation into office. Am I wrong?
Agreed. Nor did they EVER anticipate a felon like Trump being elected. Maybe they thought Americans would turn out smarter than they are?
Co-president?? He is the President and Trump is just his chief of staff.
President Musk President Musk President Musk President Musk Say it with me!
I️ve noticed the Constitution doesn’t stop Trump and MAGA in anyway from executing their policies.
No. Lol. Trump said he'd tear up the Constitution. With immunity, he doesn't respect any law. Including those contained in a document he enclosed in a Bible. 🙄 He's a traitor, and is about to show everyone around the globe how true that is. Americans suffering from it, is the idea... 💯From Russia.
I agree!! And I'm tired of ol' Elon
If we all started big time Musk worship and adoration we’d be rid of him in a week. TFG couldn’t deal.
If Trump wasn't such a pathetic greedy whore he wouldn't let another pathetic greedy whore tell him what to do.
You act like anyone in this incoming administration will respect law or precedent. They won't, which is why the country will be in such deep trouble.
