Yes US as Putins friend does not belong to NATO anymore. Same for Hungary and Slowaky

DEF boot Hungary out.

US commentators are desperately trying to argue that Europe needs US support. I don’t think that is true. Many of them have nukes. Which they will use if they have to.

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If this actually feasible, they should also dump Hungary while they are cleaning house.

Completely agree. Having America at the table now is tantamount to having Putin sitting there. youtu.be/i9If_4f_604

Out of all the things that upset me the most after the election, our position with NATO was at the top. Dark days we are in.

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Otherwise any information discussed at a NATO meeting with US in attendance is likely to make its way directly to Putin.

Can we trust the us people to stop trump forming a formal military alliance with russia and wrlcoming thier troops?

Also should be figuring out how to get our military bases out of their countries.

when global warming starts to bite we are going to have to fight

For the time being I would like my taxes to go to the European Union.

NATO will probably need to increase military spending in order to fend off Russia in the future.

And admit Ukraine

Sincere question… Why don’t they expel us from NATO versus waiting for Trump to pull us out of NATO?

And let him be the victim? If he wants to leave there’s nothing stopping him!

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This is what narcissists do they abuse until you decide to leave so they can say they have no idea why you left. Ego intact.

So sad and you’re right. They do need to suspend the US Eisenhower and Truman are turning over in their graves.

NATO is dead. EU states must see the writing on the wall and proactively create GALDiS - Global Alliance of Liberal Democratic States (EU-Hungary, GB, Canada, Australia, NZ). One day, hopefully, the renewed US will join too.

NATO will continue but be renamed NATO-INO.

Replace it with Ukraine

I’ve been thinking the same thing.

I said this to friends after that debacle in the Oval. NATO needs to shove the U.S. out the door. We have betrayed the purpose and no longer on their team 😡

Increasing defense spending will probably create more jobs and help with their economy.

I don’t think there’s any provision in the NATO treaty for doing so. But Trump will soon threaten (again) to withdraw from NATO. He’ll also threaten to close all our European bases They’ll diplomatically tell him to fuck off. Then he’ll follow through with it. And sadly, Europe will be better off

Expel us before we walk away.

Something more tangible that will be felt by US citizens. Require visas for all travel. Any tariff against one is a tariff against all. The countries that can ally are U.K., EU, NZ, AUS, JP, SK, CA, MEX And they should do everything possible to defend against the USA and its oligarchs.

Agreed

And likely exactly what Trump wants…. Hell of a situation for an alliance that has overwhelmingly served the world in a positive manner. Not perfect. But a net positive. What a hellscape we now live in…..

Trump is the classic case of NPD. Check out the characteristics at Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5). It quite scary

They need to get rid of Hungary too.

They can't even expel Hungary so I wouldn't hold your breath on them expelling the U.S., and that will be the Achilles heel of NATO.

Yes, sad but true

And not to share anymore intelligence information with the USA since it’s just going to end up in mar-a-lago and sold to the highest bidder… making America greatly corrupted again. Should make his MAGA voters so so happy.

Or share disinformation.

Agree. Putin ally (US) has no business in NATO. • Blacklist USA as much as possible. • Sanction team orange. • Do not trust Trump. Ever. About anything. • Trump moved US alignment with Putin, Xi, and KJu. • Upgrade defense systems to STOP Putin without help from USA. Train. Train. Train.

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Does anyone know how a President on his own can withdraw from a treaty that was ratified by 2/3 if the Senate? Seems to me you should need the same vote.

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Yes expel USA from all cooperative world organizations that you can. Be first to do so before trump gets to say he did it first.

Hungary also needs to go. STAT.

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France should formally propose to replace the ‘Five Eyes’ top level intelligence classification with FourEyes classification with the United States prohibited from access. Any intelligence shared with the US while Trump is President is now being shared with the Kremlin.

Yes. And shame and shun us.

NATO countries need to make some hard choices, they kick out the US and Hungary and bring in any other friendly country because if one of them lose, they all lose and they need to survive and win.

YESYESYES do!!!!

IF, the US were to leave by whatever means (expulsion or voluntary withdrawal), NATO would also have to look closely at both Hungary and Slovakia.

I am thrilled to see EU countries and Great Britain taking a solid stance against Trump's bullshit and rallying around NATO and the Ukraine! Trump has consistently insulted America's allies and now is throwing tariff threats in Europe and in Asia, so it's time to wave goodbye to the US for now.

I like that but also don’t. Maybe 🍊💩 wants that, then what?

We need to expel you from the five eyes as well George

the United States is now irrelevant and Russian friendly - the others members of NATO should toss our ass out - USA not to be trusted

All the jobs in Alabama will shift to europe

Fully agree, the US cannot be trusted and is not representing the free world anymore.

George - I hate to agree with your comment .... but you are absolutely correct! Expel Trump and insert Ukraine and invoke article 5!

And please send NATO troops to Canada!

You should move to another country

That's just what they'd be expecting us to do.

People seem to forget that the reason there are such stringent requirements to become a NATO member is because you can't ask a country like Canada or France to sacrifice the lives of their young men and women in defense of corruption and fascism.

The only time article 5 of the NATO treaty was invoked was after 9/11 in defense of the United States. Could you imagine if there was a similar attack today within the current context?

Soon the United States will no longer meet the basic membership requirements to qualify for NATO.

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yes, and probably Turkey too

I wish I didn’t agree.

100%. #trump is saying #Europe should not rely on #USA help if they're attacked So what's the point of #USA membership then? Kick #USA out of #NATO and close down any #usa military bases in #NATO countries.

DOGE can cull the jobs of American servicemen posted overseas - save a fortune!

This is where I am, too. People are talking about the US leaving NATO. They should be the ones kicking us out.

They also need to remove American nukes from Europe and replace them with their own. If anyone thinks Trump would authorize their use if Russia nuked a location in Europe is delusional. Putin is well aware of this. They are no longer a deterrent for Russia to use nuclear strikes against the EU.

Confiscate them.

Appreciate the sentiment but that would be disastrous

I bet Trump would sell them though

I really wish NATO can go forward without the USA. We are too toxic right now and I don’t trust Trump anymore than I trust Putin

George, serious question. Would US ever ally with Russia officially if NATO expelled them? What would the US generals do? Elon can't run the Army/Navy. And his rockets crash.

The answer is no. Let's not go too far with the falling sky predictions.

IMO US is already allied with Russia, just not on paper.

What they need to do is expel the US from all those military bases dotted throughout Europe, or else they're going to be used to attack Europe, alongside Russia, from the inside. Remember folks - there is no more M.A.D. These people are capable of absolutely anything.

Yep. The Kremlin now pretty much control's the USIC.

There's only one good reason to acquire Greenland. It is a strategic spot for an attack on Europe from the west and Russia from the East. Trump is a Russian spy and trader of all free countries. These dictators have a goal..world domination.

Our former allies need to start treating us as the enemy.

Yes.

Certainly they need to suspend intelligence sharing. Or maybe supply US with disinformation to share with Putin. I guess they know the best way to spy on an ally who can't be trusted.

A clear need is for a domestic de-Russification plan to execute as soon as our current junta is out of office. It will be difficult.

Just suspend membership for 4 years. Subject to review then.

The days of complacency are over. The rest of the Western democracies need to step up and take charge.

So agreed. I also would suggest revisions of all treaties with the FBI and CIA- if we wanted Putin to know everything we would tell it to him directly- we don’t need Kash ir Pete as middlemen

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It probably would be for their own good, but it doesn't appear that they can. No provision in the treaty foresees the suspension of membership rights, let alone the expulsion of an ally. This question has been raised about Turkey on several occasions. www.justsecurity.org/66574/can-tu...

Which is why we need an EU army that doesn’t include Trojan horses such as Turkey, Hungry and the US.

I totally agree but suspend USA while Trump is in power with the ability to rejoin once he is out of power . Well I say that but perhaps with a review depending if the new President is not bought by Putin .

Fire trump.

Agreed. Make us a global pariah. Sanctions. Don’t trade with us. Just discard us. It’s the only way these morons will learn.

For our own good, we need to expel this administration from the United States.

or learn to speak russian

Would add that Ukraine needs to put their minerals up for sale to the highest bidder.

Yes! GCEsq, have been saying this now for over a month too! Oust us from NATO & FIVEY because we are demonstrably on the side of Putin, Kim, Orban, Xi etc. Our allies joining forces in tough love is the only chance USA has of coming back from this coup.

there will be a lot of friendly fire incidents if they don’t protect themselves “And, for their own good, they need to expel the United States from NATO”

Yes. The USA has to be kicked out of NATO. Anything else would be like inviting Darth Vader to join the Rebel Alliance at all of their secret meetings where they plot to overthrow the evil Galactic Empire.

And Hungary, that is basically a RU agent in both NATO and the EU.

What would all this mean for the 5 Eyes program?

We need an actual EU army NOW. That doesn’t include Turkey, Hungary and automatically The US.

Agree. Most definitely bud sadly.

What if Europe denied US the continued use of air and naval bases? Trumps preferred allies in the Middle East would be a long way from Big Daddy’s protection then. Goodbye to those condos in Gaza for the foreseeable future

and cancel the base leases in germany, italy and poland

TRUMP IS GOING TO PULL YOU OUT

This is correct.

Yeah to support democracy not tyranny. Pay attention US Russian assets.

The USA is leaving anyway from NATO. The EU need a legislation to ban buying foreign weapons.

Five Eyes is dead

And have Canada join the European Union.

Works for me as a Canadian.

Absolutely.

Agree. These countries need to kick the US out of military bases for their own security.

I only take some mild comfort in the fact that Ukraine has been able to completely decimate Russia's armed forces to the point where it's going to take a decade or more for them to rebuild it all, even without sanctions. If they hadn't Putin would be assembling forces to invade Europe as we speak.

Takes unanimous vote. Orban would never.

Add Hungary to the same eviction notice..

I don't believe there's actually any mechanism to boot someone out of NATO (oddly enough). There definitely should be, though. Kind of a dumb move by us,

Suppose that's the theory of article 5? Obliged to defend the other by design. If that defence doesn't happen or can't be trusted the whole system crumbles.

I guess it could be looked at that way if you're saying that we can't just boot someone out as they're attacked to say 'Not our problem'? You can still be in NATO and just not send troops and undermine all of it, though. Putin is going to try and attack super remote Finland or something to test it

Booting someone out as they are attacked would be a calous act, I don't think it would come to that? I think it's inactivity or passive response by the US that's the biggest fear.

I don't either I was just trying to interpret exactly what you were getting at in your previous post. It wasn't clear to me.

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Relocate the UN to Canada

Let’s not be hasty.

Sadly Trump's USA can no longer be considered an ally as far as Europe is concerned. The USA cannot be trusted any more. Any security and intelligence information flowing from Europe to the USA must be viewed as visible to Russia. There is effectively no such thing as NATO at this moment in time.

Right but the focus should be in security guarantees not a prolonging of this war. That case is closed...

And our permanent UN Security Council seat. Why should Russia get two vetoes? There is also no reason for us to still be in FVEY assuming it even still exists.

Don’t you mean expel United States from every base in Europe?

MORE FUCKIN WARRING

Would be better If the US can find their values back and stop electing corrupts, criminals scammers who destroy the country and everything it had stand for ;)

It's probably about time to make it the G6 too. At least until we rid ourselves of the shit stain on our country.

By now everyone should know we are the axis of evil.

There is no mechanism for removing a member state from the NATO treaty. But...all of the other NATO countries could withdraw from the treaty and then recreate an identical treaty without inviting the US (or Hungary). They could even include a clause allowing Ukraine to join despite the war.

Yes! The United States is an enemy to anyone other than Russia, well, and possibly China and Iran.

Make him stand alone in the corner!

I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't that take a bit more than what Trump has done so far? Like, provide material support to Russia or something that goes against the core aim of the treaty? Maybe you can hash that out in the next podcast? www.justsecurity.org/66574/can-tu...

Sad state of affairs when you are afraid your own country would betray allies.we had Boris Johnson when Foreign Sec leaving a NATO summit to attend a party in Italy with former KGB spy Alexander Lebedev without a security detail. He became PM and despite objections from MI6 made Lebedev's son a lord

That would really chap 45’s rear end. He wants to be the one to quit amid threats like a strongman, not get sent home like the bully he is.

That's exactly what #KremlinKrasnov is hoping for since they plan to pull out anyway. This way, they can balance the budget after their kleptocracy, paying back Pooptin for all he shelled out for the election.

I'm afraid I agree! Sad

Or just form a new alliance that includes Ukraine and not the US. That way Russia can’t cry about Ukraine being part of NATO.

Exactly. I would worry were I a NATO nation that Trump, et al. has to Putin any intel I shared with my fellow NATO nations -- hell I am sure he has already done so. Without the US NATO can actually support Ukraine, and protect itself from Putin and his plan to rebuild the USSR with European nations.

That same thought crossed my mind. But if Russia did cross over into Finland, or the Baltic States, or Poland, or Romania ... NATO provides at least some assurance the US wouldn't help Russia. For whatever that's now worth.

No it doesn’t. Putin will demand Trump help Russia & Trump never says no to Putin.

Well, that's exactly the worry. The only hope is that there's still some sanity in the GOP ranks. But that's no longer much of a hope. Even Lindsey Graham is now going Russian.

Remember he was hacked during the Trump-Hillary election. We don’t know what they have on him.

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Trump has already said that he would violate Article 5 and let Russia attack any NATO country that doesn't spend enough of its GDP on defense

What??? He actually said that? Surely that is enough to disqualify US from membership

Said it repeatedly Trump told story about "big country" who asked what he would do if they didn't pay enough into NATO and Trump said, "I'd tell Russia to do whatever the hell they want" Hegseth told NATO 2 weeks ago that US will not defend them vs Russia if they join Ukraine peacekeeping force

Yep

And five eyes

I have a strong comedic desire for it to be renamed four eyes anyway and now there is a logical reason

The first thing you do, you buy as many military items you can, submarines, aircraft carrier, jets, tanks, drones and you start reverse engineering everything so you don’t need USA anymore. You will save a lot of money and you won’t depend on them anymore. Canada has started Join us !

Expel us and put in Ukraine. That would really piss Putin and his puppet off big time.

A highly coordinated & integrated defense strategy is needed. A European Army has been discussed for decades….

But please, don’t think that Europe is not grateful for all that the US has done for us. Now, it is time for us to wake up and stand on our own feet.

Sadly I agree.

That is hard, because according to the treaty, for a party to leave the treaty it must write a letter to the United States indicating it wants to leave.

So all of the other NATO members send the US a letter.

Seeing all those boxes returning to Mar a Lardo makes you wonder if the cover up’s complete yet?

I wonder if Americans would contribute money if France asked. I would.

I agree

Or quickly invoke Article 5 to force Trump and Hesgeth out of the closet.

So in a way trump won the argument that the other countries should pay more.

Seriously, and accept Ukraine!

That plays into the GOP’s hand…wait until the USA has to go it alone. I can’t even begin to imagine how that plays out.

I think Europe would regret expelling the US; NATO would not be much different than the EU & they would be giving up on a country that until trump maybe did a thing of 2 for them. Many of us disagree with trump; or outright hate him & all his toadies. Expelling the US will empower him further though

More than just NATO George. I think they have to be removed from the G7, 5 Eyes and anything else that involves intelligence sharing. How can you trust the Criminal or anybody in his administration.

If for no better reason than to prevent US from blocking Ukraine's admission to NATO.

also announce..... .....there will be no more purchases of US military equipment additional spending will be on EU-made armaments

Absolutely this.

Excellent

Especially since France is now the second largest arms supplier, having pulled ahead of Russia.

The tough part is the NATO counties that spent billions on F-35s will not be able to rely on them. The first fallout will be loss of logistics support of weapons systems purchased from the US. After a month or two the only thing they will be good for is as pretty lawn ornaments…

Threatening to take over other members should be automatic grounds for removal.

Isn’t that what Thug-rump wants though? Why don’t they just expel him.

I read up on what’s expect of NATO members and our head of government talking about annexing Canada, acquiring Greenland & Panama, screwing Ukraine, and shifting control of military away from civilian control- seems we don’t qualify currently

... and make steps to have the American military removed from Europe. You can't discount they will be used against the EU. Keeping them around will result in intelligence ending up being shared with Russia.