“We may have to rename this show because you’re a little bit more than a far-right Republican.” @mehdirhasan.bsky.social called out a self-proclaimed ‘fascist’ on the show ‘Surrounded’ where he debated 20 far-right Republicans. Watch the full episode on Jubilee’s YouTube: zeteo.com/p/is-this-th...
He needs to be on a watch list ASAP!
Ok, but why are you giving these people a platform?
I think you’re a fantastic journalist Mehdi, but I find it so difficult to listen to evil stupid people, and since it’s been proven that racists are stupid, I don’t think I can watch this. It honestly fills me with rage to hear these morons speak.
I know he can debate ANY one (he even wrote a book on it), but I cannot listen to these morons blather their QAnon views. I just can't.
I feel the same. Deep respect for Mehdi, but, honestly, this endeavour is actually useless. He won’t change their minds (they’re factually too dumb), he won’t change the minds of their followers (or comrades), he’s preaching to the choir with us, so what’s the point. We know stupid evil Nazis exist.
They’re everywhere these days.
Why would anyone do or watch this show
CAUCASIAN FASCIST Call them out This is not what we want for our future
I know that violence is wrong, but this is what happens when people don’t get punched in the face when they say dumb shit.
Violence is not always wrong.
My atheist heart is praying for this young man. At some point karma is going to bite his “fascist” being.
Connor is an aspiring serial killer or mass murderer. He will cry and cry about how mean people treat him
should have asked why its okay to kill communists
Why are you guys elevating these clowns and giving them exactly what they want? Dumb, dumb, dumb… 👎🏽
What if giving them exactly what they want leads to destroying their career prospects by warning future employers about their poor character and racist views? Smart.
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Scary how easily this guy went full nazi
i hope that guy says “quite frankly” a few more times
Platforming nazis for profit is bad for humanity.
These conservatives are defending the bases of their identities. “They” are rationalizing their belief system. To understand the bases of their argument, a psychological or background history of their education & geographical cultural “conditioning” would give insight into their triggered defenses.
Wow a literal self proclaimed fascist and people clapped for him, Christ.
They all were and he just helped them gain more followers.
They think somebody else is going to do their dirty work for them without believing that they could possibly be the target of their own oppression one day.
still was too juicy
Mehdir should have asked him why he's trying to look like Charlie Kirk. Mock these fucks.
The problem is the fascist will take that as a compliment
Not after you ask them "isn't that kind of faggy?"
Not if you show them who Kirk’s daddy is.
You can debate things like fiscal conservatism, gun control, immigration reform, etc - there are pros and cons, even if some are just bad. But there's no reason to debate fascists because their ideas carry no merit and platforming them only creates the idea that maybe there IS merit to what they say
Embarrassing to participate in this circus to give these horror clowns any oxygen
Same for Piers Morgan. But after punching them in the face, how do to deal with these ignorant, horror clowns? Horror clowns 🎯
Keep punching them. Do not stop. The fact that we stopped punching them is why they’re in control of the gov’t.
Also, just to be clear. By “punch them” I do not mean debate them for West Wing masturbation points. I mean assault them with your body. They should be afraid to leave the house.
Fascism has been festering in the darkness for decades, and it needs to be put in the open for everyone to see how big a problem it is. Pretending these people don’t exist is what Americans have been doing for 50 years, and look where it’s gotten you.
The point isn't platforming a fascist. It's that you can't even grab a random group of 20 Republicans without ending up with actual 'then just call me a Nazi, bro' fascists being in there.
There's many Nazis in the video that it has to be intentional.
The Venn diagram of that is a circle. ⭕️ 20 RepubliKKKlans = 20 Nazis
Like the quote goes: "If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you've got a table with 11 Nazis."
I watched the full episode and while Mehdi was incredibly impressive in his ability to make his arguments, not a single other debater was. Mostly though, I was utterly ashamed of every person who told him to leave, and stunned that every person "against" Israel was antisemitic, not anti-genocide.
I'm a guy who refuses to watch Bill Maher wine and dine fascists. I rant when a Chris Cuomo or Ari Melber platform a fascist. Don't give them oxygen. I felt this exercise was different & a worthy effort by Medhi if for no other reason that I LEARNED just how uninformed & extreme this faction is.
Platforming Jubilee's nonsense and giving oxygen to these people is gross. This just makes these clowns look more legitimate.
Stop platforming fascists, start hiding their bodies in the woods.
Did he say Franco? If my mum understood English she'd slap his fat face into sense. What an attention seeking ignorant waste of oxygen
MASA Mexicans Against Stupid Asses
After two and a half minutes of debating a fascist, he said “I’m not debating a fascist,” and then I’m gonna guess did not walk away from the debate pervert bukkake.
Oh wow, that's cool how Mehdi can use his sock puppet account for his Substack disguised as a "media company" to promote his reprehensible bullshit platforming these ghouls twice!
Those that don’t want to air or talk about it…you’re part of the problem…
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Ignoramuses super-size Unbelievable what a bunch of racist, fascist, un-American group of dweebs. Thanks, Mehdi You're right it's our country.
All the commenter should stop platforming this post by giving it engagement and making it more viral in the news feed. Shame on all of you for platforming the link platforming the video that platforms fascist. And now im platforming you, platforming the link... fuck!
what good was this episode? it just promotes these racists .
All you've really done is platform fringe fascist influencers and given them a wider audience. Pretty stupid thing to do.
FFS, Republicans are Team CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR CHILDREN and death camps in swamps . . . Republican are leading edge Reich.
"quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly quite frankly..." -fascist dicklord
fucking love when he accused the other guy of being pro-rape.
what the fuck are you expecting "far right Republican" to be lmao if that's not another way to say "openly fascist" I don't know what it's supposed to mean
Stop platforming Nazis, fascists, and Republicans. ...I don't know why I just said "Republicans" three times.
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Not beating the debate bro allegation, Mehdi. This helps no one
Who is this for? All it does is amplify the reach of these morons
It gives us names and faces...
Exactly, you can point to this and say: Look MAGA, this is what you are. Only 3 people in that group objected to being represented by a guy who proudly proclaimed to be a fascist and a fan of what the nazi's did.
Any of these “kids” think future employment might be limited based on their extreme rhetoric? I do.
In this country, in many states, they're likely to be more employable, not less
Get his ass Mehdi
Whose ass did he get? The guy that bragged about the interview and got 2.1 million likes? Is that the ass that was gotten? Yeah thanks Mehdi. Appreciate you giving hate a platform and content to spread.
It's bizzare you think these people aren't platformed and don't use every chance they get to appeal to the masses with no pushback. How did banning them after 2020 help. Look at the comparison between debates and laugh at their stupidity youtu.be/0i0xPMWsOVE?...
Good job platforming the worst possible humans you can find. You're really tossing a can of gasoline into the trash fire that is the unraveling of society.
His shamelessness in being fascist is appalling…
Ever notice how Nazis have arrested development and never actually grew up into maturity?
But enough about the Volkssturm.
So beyond the platforming, what's the rationale for deliberately driving engagement for a bunch of fascist and white supremacist influencers by linking to their accounts? It's pretty clear Mehdi didn't know beforehand these were all for-profit bigots, but you certainly did.
I honestly didn't think they were this aware that they are fascists. But no - they are PROUD. Un be lie -va ble
Probably time for everyone to stop doing this show if everyone is a Nazi.
Mehdi it is impressive how you deal with these sociopathic creeps so eloquently.
There's only one thing I can think to do with 20 Nazis in one room and it's not talk to them.
"A good start."
I fear you might not be thinking of the long term goals. Marburg, marburg is what you bring to a room of 20 Nazis. Why settle for ending 20 Nazis when they can become the vector to spread suffering & death to their besties? (before you say it, hover over my avatar, see the word sociopath, move on)
You don’t have to debate them, just ask them questions and they will tell on themselves…. I’m not an advocate for these programs as they are counter productive in general, and what you see is a good reminder of how to deal with this kind of fuckery. Let them embarrass themselves, and walk away.
debate with already famous ones, don't platform these nobody nazis
Great show. Occasionally platforming awful people is healthy for society. It helps to combat their influence on society by alerting the information siloed to their presence and their thinking. I was shocked by how unconcerned these racists were in exposing their views for future employers to see.
no, studying them helps society. HELPING them does not. we do need to address what they say, but we don't need to give them a platform to say it. just like any podcast that rips apart a book or speech.
1/2 If you watch the entire show, you’ll see Mr. Hasan did not give them an uncontested platform to make fascism look wonderful. He challenged them constantly, and made cutting, good points, which hurt their cause. They lost the debate and we learned what their pitiful “arguments” are.
2/2 How can you address what they say without quoting them? Isn’t quoting them “giving them a platform”? It’s better to challenge them in person so there’s no question about misquoting them. Let them hang themselves.
no, quoting them is not giving them a platform. Hannah Arendt didn't invite fascists, who still existed, to speak publicly.
So quoting them in a book or newspaper article is not giving them a platform, but having them speak live or recorded on video or audio is, even if their live or recorded speech is quickly followed up with a debunking rebuttal?
I’m sure Hannah Arendt, living in a more genteel age, probably could not envision the hardball, instant response debate tactics of Mr. Hasan.
they still use these to attract more followers. YOU think they lost, but every single debate like this, whether it's this, or evolution, or whatever, the people inclined to side with them think they won, and they gain more notoriety and followers.
If you’re already inclined to side with a certain philosophy, then in this Internet Age, you will quickly find like-minded leaders, no matter if there are or are not debates over the philosophy. What’s the evidence that fascists gain more followers as a direct result of debates?
it's like the difference between reading a psychologist's take on why men are lonely and angry, or become nazis or incels, and listening to those men say why they did in person. those men, like most of us, are not being honest with themselves.
serial killers are the same. i've read books by psychologists on them, i have no interest in what those killers say personally. Bundy flat out lied about his motivation. he wasn't worth listening to. these fascists are the same.
Why are you giving platform to nazis and fascists? It’s 2025, my man
Another sweep under the carpet. Typical enabler.
Are you living in the same 2025 I am? They already have all the platforms. Your concerns are out of date.
Fair enough. But liberals debating fascists is pointless if anyone should be its communists
Jubilee is the bad place. Yes, it can still be worse. Platforming known white supremacist influencers is bad.
Holy shit what a trash take. You people are so damned good at rolling over, it's insane. Get out of the way and let people with spines actually accomplish something.
Ok I will. But out of curiosity, what are you actually accomplishing? I mean I have no interest personally in going on Jubilee and doing what Mehdi Hasan is doing here, but what tactics will actually work against people like this?
I'm not going to pretend I have all the answers but one thing I can say for certain is, as a baseline, I wouldn't be giving them a platform to speak on if I had any sway in the political strasosphere. That kinda just seems like common sense. They inherently argue in bad-faith. So why argue them?
Mehdi even reaches that conclusion on his own. Like, am I to believe he really needed to do this in order to realize it would be like debating a racist brick wall? How incredibly naive.
It's the other way around, the show introduces a drop of sanity to the audience of 20 fascist influencers
why legitimize these losers?
This is not going how y'all thought it would, huh
Don’t give Jubilee views. Remember when Jon Stewart called out Crossfire for doing theater when they should be doing politics? This is 100x worse than that was.
If it was me in that chair and not Mehdir, they would have to use a shop vac to clean what’s left of me out of the upholstery. There is no world where these violent Neo Nazis should be argued with. Only killed.
That witch cackle really summed it up. Edgelord internet enjoyer
It was so cringey 😬
You should be backing away from this and condemning the producers for throwing actual white supremacists at your talent, not re-transmitting it.
Was jubilee unable to find 20 "conservatives" that were not full on nazis or did they lie to you on who would be in the video?
🎯 Has that gross Maury Povich/Jerry Springer vibe, using the most gross and extreme to get viewers. 🤢🤮
No.
I think everyone knows by this point, far right is just another name for Nazi. I don't agree with giving them a platform at all.
You lost me at “far”.
They already HAVE the platform. It’s time to get FACTS out there.
I agree that's why this ain't accomplishing anything. Letting Nazis spread their ideology to millions of viewers on Youtube is just plain irresponsible and dangerous.
1:24 when Mehdi Hasahn is starting to think maybe this was a bad idea
Yeah, up until then he was laboring under the delusion that the people he was there to debate had the same basic moral compass as him.
Do these young people believe this won't ever come back to haunt them...it maybe years but it will be his downfall. Good luck...the internet is forever 🤫🤫
Many disagree with his approach but I think what Hasan is doing is documenting history..you may disagree but it is very pertinant and significant. Wait until you see this 10 years from now..u will see it differently
What the heil!?
stop platforming these people, we can study their horrible messages without helping them address others directly. a podcast taking apart their positions is different than giving them a platform which increases their own podcast reach
Hey, stop platforming fascists and bigots yeah?
I’m disappointed that Mehdi went on Jubilee at all. You should know better than to engage with these people... “Debating” fascists only serves to legitimize them. 😑
I disagree. This is doing giant numbers. These kids aren’t masked. Their identities will be discovered. They may lose friends and jobs and the like. Good. Make a billboard campaign off their faces and quotes, especially while they wield their Catholicism in the same breath.
Giant numbers among *whom*?
Any update to my prediction from two days ago that you poo-poo’ed? The self-proclaimed fascist was immediately fired and he took to the internet crying. Medhi, meanwhile, has been interviewed over and over and over.
Maybe! It's too soon to tell what the overall effect will be.
I don’t think you understand how the right-wing alt media ecosystem works
It works amongst the right-wing alt media ecosystem it exists in. A big circle jerk, if you will. There’s a reason the majority of people watching this “debate” had no idea they’re “influencers” in their corner of the internet. Not anymore. May their faces be shunned everywhere they go.
It also works amongst the mainstream. "Oh word, if this kid doesn't care who knows he's a Nazi, I won't have to hide it as much."
According to Elad Nehorai, who is trustworthy, most of them are "influencers". Their names & faces are known. This is just 22 bad decisions in 1 room, platforming fascists. Every little chud is getting free advertising & has posted it on social media for clout. bsky.app/profile/elad...
Did you pay these nazis to say this shit for your clicks?
Exposure is the only way people will believe these people exist and these views do too. Crazy…
The "I am a fascist" guy has 72,000 followers on Instagram. They have plenty of exposure.
It was disqualifyingly stupid for Mehdi to platform these freaks. How do you get to the position he’s in without understanding this?
They walk among us.
hey man, this is when you stand up and walk the fuck out.
The way the dude laughed. F!
There's precious little room for debate with someone who's determined to improve on massive stupidity.
I wouldn't have platformed 20 gleeful bigots even if it was meant to be a freakshow. Giving these assholes a bigger audience, even as objects of ridicule, is a bad idea.
Someone needs to mess that Natzi's face up
“I’m not part of the group that the autocrat kills.” Simultaneously depraved & obtuse. “I don’t care if he kills, as long as it isn’t me & mine.” And, as we know from the history of fascism, if you think that you’re in a protected group, you’re naive. Just wait a while & they’ll come for you too.
Debate doesn't work when one side refuses to live within reality. These people don't deserve a platform - nor a voice to share these hateful opinions. Stop giving them oxygen. Stop giving them safe spaces to operate. The "outrage machine" you are waiting on isn't coming.
ok, i saw the video and i am genuinely shocked. but right now...i'm asking myself if this is the right approach to do? we didn't learn nothing about the bolsonaro and trump? they're where they're right now because someone thought that was great to grab something from them with their racist shits.
and now bolsonaro fucked up the entire country turning himself as president and... at least now he's facing prison. trump? turning the fucking not-united states in an autocracy with a creme de la creme as dictatorship.
At this point, plausibly yes. It’s not just a one off victory. If they are going to be defeated your coalition needs to know they are terrible dangerous people who potentially need to be repressed.
otally get your point, for real. but the risk of amplifying far-right figures like bolsonaro or trump is real and there’s a big difference between talking about them and promoting them.
it’s about generating talkability without feeding their ego, without turning them into the headline. that means framing the narrative in a way that exposes, questions, deconstructs INSTEAD of echoing or fueling their rhetoric!
The Schmitt enthusiast also knows Schmitt from based Twitter, otherwise he’d know that he was quickly expendable to the Third Reich.
If you watch the whole thing they fare very poorly against Medhi, regardless of how one feels about him, he’s a good debater and they come off as dangerous morons.
but i watched. and i find the video itself funny because it synthesized how poor they are intellectually. but meanwhile i could feel a certain discomfort because i wasn't expecting that they would show their worst side: one guy wasn't even ashamed to assume himself as nazi guy.
and i must emphasize what he said: 'and if i was? i'm fine being targeted as nazi'. i never would be fine. if someone targeted me as nazi, i would be offended.
even a tiny piece of shit can turn into a big mess.
How does anyone other than the fash benefit from debating them?
Depends who they are debating.
Does it, though? It gets their BS out there either way. This debate gives a platform to 20 little Hitlers. It's just normalizing their rhetoric, no matter how wrong they are.
their bs supposedly appeals to young white men with bleak economic prospects yet they dont offer anything better. their real enemy is communism hence the explicit approval of killing communists but not liberals like mehdi
their ideal future is a class based capitalist society with no minorities. liberals a multicultural class based capitalist society. the economic prospects of young white men are pretty much just as shitty either way.
Fuck you
This is Mehdi and Zeteo platforming well-known Groypers to build their own cred. We all know they are self-declared fascists who love performative cruelty and jingoism but hate democracy or pluralism. That is not a revelation. I bet they only gained followers from this.
Hasan sucks and has for a long time.
He's been doing the "leftists and liberals are the same" schtick.
He is legitimately sharp as a tack and an extremely good debater on substance. This dick-waving at Nazis for clout is just embarrassing.
Democratic Party leaders told us in the ’90s and 2000s that decades of losing federal, state, and local elections would change once old racist voters died off. But waiting for a voting demographic to die isn’t a political strategy. It’s cowardice. And all it cost America was everything.
That dude is ridiculous. He’s pro nazi, is fine being a fascist but wants to uphold human dignity? Bro, just wear a swatstika already and stop hedging.
a) Mehdi knows what pundits and the establishment thinks. Here’s contact with GOP base. b) still putting Zeteo on the map. 👍🏼
The first generation that had all the information at their fingertips from birth and they wasted it listening to their small minded parents.
Putting a journalist on this show breaks the format, because they actually know how to ask questions.
As creepy as 'conservatives' get. The only way to get rid of these kind of Tucker Carlson-ilke psychopaths is if all women ignore these lunatics so they won't have the confidence to think their ideas hold any meaning/value. They have to understand that being a nazi is to die as a virgin.
They do this because they do not fear liberals and liberals need to give them a reason to be afraid. It’s where I am at this point.
the nazis didnt win the popular vote.
Yall really platformed Nazis and thought you had something there
you don't have to give these assholes airtime ya know
They will never understand that “they will only kill people they don’t like” is stupid, because one day they will not like you.
He's on the side of the ROYALISTS not the American Revolutionary PATRIOTS. He's a traitor and RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES.
This bozo is just another 4chan edgelord. Dumb, boring, fucking loser.
“I’m not part of the group that the autocrat kills.” Maybe a good time to remember that Martin Niemöller, famous for his "First they came for the socialist..."-Quote was also an nazi sympathizer and ardent antisemite, until they came for him...
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Holy shit! What are we teaching our youth? This is horrific!!
What an oversimplified understanding of history. There were plenty of Catholics who were against fascism regardless of clerics being abused
Maybe don't help the Nazis create content?
It’s a good thing that Nazis are exposed as Nazis and pay a price in terms of greatly diminished career and employment prospects and general societal shunning. It sends a message to their fellow Nazis, too.
But that's not happening
Imagine being that stupid... imagine thinking the fascists didnt kill women and children..
Yeah I am not going to watch you platform Nazis You need to be smarter than this
Sweeping under carpet is what brought this to America.
They are running the country. They are platform sir. Its time to metaphorically bring out the tire irons and beat them back
I disagree. The ones in the video are doing it for clout, and possibly for a job in this admin. Mehdi just helped them achieve that.
Stop watching these racist or far right people debates. If you don’t believe in them do not fund them. Do not engage with any of their content they are making money off of you.
Some of the left (Cenk) will pretend like this isn’t the whole MAGA movement. It is.
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Surely you are not this naive..You willingly platform the very obvious, and self-titled, fascists. And then act brand new when they are.. fascist.
Not sure I'd be giving self-proclaimed fascists a platform, but that's just me.
Debating fascists normalizes their rhetoric. It spreads it further. This is irresponsible.
"I don't debate fascists." Buddy, you just posted a whole video of yourself debating fascists.
You and 8 other purple drastically missed the point.
You do not treat white supremacists as equals worthy of debate. You do not look for compromise with white supremacists, as Jubilee states is the purpose of these videos. I'm not saying dehumanize them, but we should be choking off platorms as much as possible. It has been proven to work.
This is the guy in the video, reposting it & bragging. 2.5 million views. Hasan helped him grow his audience.
My point is these people ALREADY have a large platform re-writing history and spinning facts. No one seems to be able to give them facts. This segment gave him facts and while it won’t change his mind, it will for some of those millions watching.
I mean, me & the other people calling this out as platforming Nazis are quite aware they're Nazis. You don't debate them live, you show they're the same as every other fascist murderer & tell them to shut the fuck up any time they try to talk.
I truly get what you are saying but we have high schoolers being exposed to this unchallenged and not being taught history. While I agree with you in theory, I feel challenging the new status quo needs to happen. How would you approach that?
have you considered not spreading the views of literal nazis
Never debate with fascists. By doing so, you put their ideology at the same level as yours.
TBF, he didn't pick the participants and clearly didn't realize he was going to debate Fascists.
Then he should have said "I don't debate fascists" as soon as that came up instead of almost a minute later, and more importantly 1. Get up right that second and walk out And 2. Not publish the video and/or platform or link to them.
That's your take. Mine: Mehdi does what Mehdi does--which is argue. There's also some merit in seeing how far down the Cult has hit. And I'm pretty sure that not too many of these 'influencers' are gonna clip this vid as some sort of 'win:' but we'll have to see.
It doesn't need to be A Win. Publicity is Publicity.
An entitled, ignorant child. Shameful when one thinks he’s absorbed those views from his family.
