“I’d like to see the cost of VFX artists come down.” — ‘Avatar’ director and Stability AI board member James Cameron claims effects workers are too expensive, putting blockbusters and the VFX industry at risk. www.cartoonbrew.com/vfx/vfx-arti...
“I’d like to see the cost of VFX artists come down.” — ‘Avatar’ director and Stability AI board member James Cameron claims effects workers are too expensive, putting blockbusters and the VFX industry at risk. www.cartoonbrew.com/vfx/vfx-arti...
Dude could just make a practical effects film or just...shoot a script with fewet effects shots
practical effects aren't cheaper.
Then why is VFX the problem?
they aren't. him being a greedy little bitch is the problem.
Here's a bright idea: maybe not EVERY movie needs to be a blockbuster. Hollywood worked VFX artists to the bone without adequate compensation or benefits, but THEY'RE the problem? Not studio heads making multi-million dollar paydays? Cameron's talking out of his ass to push his AI bullshit.
I am now refusing to see anything Cameron makes because of his antagonistic attitude towards the very artists he has owed his career to ever since Terminator 2, whereas previously I refused to see anything he makes because all he cares about anymore are these shitass Avatar movies
The only thing Avatar is going for it is it's world building, but even that was perfected and created by other artists and not James. His character and stories are very primitive in a writing sense.
Good. Stop making shit that is all about visuals. I've all but stopped watching Hollywood movies over the last ten years because it's just a bunch of empty stories that look kinda pretty. I can count the number of times I've gone to a cinema since 2020.
Is this how I find out that James Cameron is a "Stability AI board member"?!
I would rather never watch another movie as long as I live than watch one made by fucking ai, do not watch Avatar and don’t give a single dime to that asshat.
I'd like to see the cost of Directors come down
maybe your movies are bloated and unnecessary
there's an extremely obvious LLM bot in the replies trying to stoke arguments. use your best judgment
or...try making movies that don't require such tech?
James, takes 10 years to make a 2 billion dollar CG movie: - How do we make it less expensive? I dunno bro... Maybe use budding new actors in films where it's humans doing human things in human places? Ya know, like most movies from 1888-2000? It has been done before
lol at "use budding new actors" JC: Who will I get to play this teenage girl? Of course, 70-something-year-old Sigourney Weaver. Who else could possibly do it?
Clearly the perfect pick
If an industry won't fairly compensate its workers then it doesn't deserve to exist.
Disappointing.
Would love to hear Corridor Digital's take on this after how much they've gushed about his movies.
Corridor Digital are pro-AI hacks.
Lol yeah it's the VFX guys who are putting the industry at risk ok sure
Sounds like James Blanderon doesn't need a cent of my money.
What a grotesque insult to the people who make his movies.
OK? Hamburglar laments price of beef, who gives a fuck
Damnit James, the hard work people put into these movies is what makes them so stunning in the first place!
James Cameron calling himself out as a robber baron akin to Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, etxc.
smash head with rock
Are we on Flintstones logic here? A heavy blow to the head got Cameron making smurf-inspired B-movies, another one would fix him?
again ?
Oh fuck off. They're already underappreciated enough as is, Mr. genAI board member.
Man, fuck James Cameron. He’s the James Cameron of movie directors.
Guess I will sit this one out.
*Checks notes on how much profit these movies made.* Yes, it's the artists that are the problem here..... 😑
Counterpoint: How about value their contribution to human storytelling and compensate them appropriately.
They say this, yet they spend more then half the budget on the actors! (yes actors should be paid but... the amount they pay some of them is crazy). I have heard more about VFX artist being under paid and working crazy hours with low pay! More then actors having that issue.
He also ignores the fact that the avatar movies are giant tech demos for technology never used before. He's out of touch.
James Cameron hasn't made a good movie in over 30 years.
This is why: Steve Kostanski > James Cameron
Has he considered writing better movies that are less reliant on VFX?
Has he considered not making ‘Dances with Wolves’ yet again?
Won’t someone think of the billionaires at the head of the theft machine company. Their poor, poor, stupid feelings.
As soon as someone says paying workers fairly for their contributions puts their industry “at risk”, you know the real problem lies in their woeful mismanagement.
Then, starve
He says this in the middle of one of worst cost of living crisis in history.
If paying decently people put your industry at risk, your industry deserves to die.
Oh noes the man who supposedly has an $800 million net worth doesn't want to pay people a liveable wage for his overly bloated Dances with Wolves movies. How I feel for him.
James Cameron acting like a self-centered douche canoe? Color me shocked and amazed. If he doesn't want to compensate the numerous creative people who make his films possible, then he doesn't deserve the privilege of being a big budget filmmaker.
Who cares? He's an asshole.
VFX artists turned his shitty film into one of the biggest ever. Absolutely nobody would've watched Avatar if it didn't look so weird and beautiful. But whatever, put it through the slop machine and see what happens. Cameron gave up on making art a long time ago.
It sucks so much that really bad ai slop is probably the last remaster that true lies and aliens will ever get
And I'd like to see James Cameron make movies people actually enjoy again. Hell, even some more deep-sea documentaries.
He should just take part in a new oceangate expedition.
Here’s an idea, maybe don’t make movies almost entirely full of crazy CGI then.
He should spend more time in other brands of deep sea submersibles.
Isn't he the guy that makes 3 hour movies that are 99% CGI?
maybe old cammy boy should take a paycut instead
Has he considered not spending as much on expensive CGI and making good movies? Because these movies make a lot of money, and then basically disappear from pop culture.
They disappear because the only memorable part of them is the CGI quality.
yeah buddy vfx artists would like to see rent and groceries go down get in line bud or stop spending so much on adult sized submarine toys
weird how Superman did just fine while also giving VFX houses a finished movie to work on and time to work on it www.ign.com/articles/dc-...
Cameron really has turned out to be a sellout dick, hasn't he?
Can the man stop trying to be a shit stirrer for 1 minute.
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Director of multiple of the most financially successful movies in history says with his whole chest that he wants to pay THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE HIS MOVIES less money.
Crazy idea, but maybe use fewer vfx if you dont want to pay for having lots of vfx
Makes one of the highest grossing movies of all time "It's not profitable enough" ?????????
What a fucking idiot. He's been alive for nearly a third of a century and has forgotten where he came from.
How dare the VFX artists want more than $13/hr when Cameron got to keep a third of the budget for himself. It's not like THEY made the movie! ...oh, wait
We could replace him with a cheaper director maybe?
Do we *need* blockbusters anymore? All of the good ones are so bad it's good territory, and the last of those came out in 1998. Blockbusters haven't had a future for, without exaggeration, ⅓ of Cameron's own lifetime.
Maybe they can find some budget cuts in the P&A side which is just as costly as the production side
Here’s a thought: producers should have a full story before they go to VFX to cut down on costs instead of just asking them to do more for less
I came out of that industry 10 years ago, working on the software reseller side, with clients that included Weta and Animal Logic. Those artists were on lore fixed salaries and regularly expected to work 16-18 hours days for months in end. Some of the treatment I saw was criminal
Both these places were my "dream jobs" when I was younger. Then I met and spoke to people once I was in the industry, who had worked at both these places...and the payrates and workplace stories shocked me.
There were some good places that treated people as well as they could, hope you landed at one of those! Actually, the places that focused on local productions and high end ads usually did pretty well, and weren’t near so bad.
I knew one guy that was so fucked over that he got himself fired by dressing up as hitler, wore a badge with the owners name and matched through the corridors until he was escorted out.
Maybe he should make less money.
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Says the guy that don´t have a single movie that remais minimally interesting if you remove the fucking VFX
Aliens.
Sorry my friend, but Aliens would be a piece of shit if not for the brave warriors in the vfx, doing comp and integration for all miniatures, creatures and stop motion in the actual footage…
Sigourney Weaver did not fight the Battle of the Bush to hear such slander. Although maybe that falls under visual effects, idk 😂
Although that happened in the first movie, didn't it? Ugh I need to go watch them again.
It’s a Vietnam war movie that would have been just as good without the VFX. Besides: more ≠ better
People should make less money says director that earned 350 million for a movie.
Yeah well I'd like the number of avatar movies to come down.
Sounds like someone who should suffer and probably experience pain
Aliens cost $54.5 million in 2025 dollars. Avatar: the Way of Water cost $460 million. Maybe make movies more like Aliens and less like Avatar 2 if you want to save money on special effects. Aliens was a better movie anyway.
.....says the guy who invented a whole new music thing just to waste it all and replace it with generic military brass. Sure buddy.
"it's so hard to pay the people that makes my movies good 😖"
They’re not even good. And at this point, they just make his movies. Everything he does now is just CGI tech demos with shit stories.
Nah, they're really good looks at a fictional world where the story is so on the nose you can take in all the gorgeous sights and miss nothing. Which is to say he's paid way too much for making the least important part of them.
Bingo. Don’t get me wrong. Pandora is a beautiful, interesting world. But dear God, the stories are awful. So, pay those artists dammit!
If you had written 'pays' you would have sounds just likes Popeye.
Fuck you Jimmy
will no one think of THE BLOCKBUSTERS?!
The people who literally make him rich.
look all im saying is a bunch of people liked gale anne hurd movies and they just had a lot of crossover with james cameron movies and they didnt really work this out its totally cool
Makes me wonder how he’s treated VFX artists so far.
We'd like the cost of movie tickets to go down. We'd like the studios profits to go down and go to the workers instead. We'd like the people who create the art to be rewarded for the work they do.
Fuck James Cameron. How about stop paying "actors" such exorbitant salaries.
Actors are workers and the reason they can negotiate such good salaries is because of SAG/AFTRA. Don't throw your fellow workers under the bus when there are plenty of managers and executives who deserve it more.
“putting the industry at risk” how much money did your last movie make jim? Maybe that had a little to do with the people who made it.
Well now I know all the environmentalism in the Avatar movies is as hypocritical as it's cartoonishly basic.
disappointing take from James.
Budgets are skewed, and nobody has a clear idea of what things cost and where savings need to be made. VFX is being used as a scapegoat here. There are a lot of low budget indie movies that have spectacular VFX despite their low budgets, so that is not where the problem lies.
As if anybody is watching the Avatar movies for anything but the special effects. Nobody can name more than two characters (if that) from those movies, but everybody praises the special effects.
Filhadaputa desse fazendo os 3 filmes com maior bilheteria e com mão de vaca pra pagar direito as pessoas, se fuder
cameron is truly an innovator of being a piece of shit
Or he's just being honest. He's saying out loud what a lot of potential employers are thinking but are afraid to say.
Yes he’s honestly and authentically being a dipshit asshole who is tired of paying people what they deserve for hard work. Him and every other employer who thinks they’re entitled to cheap labor.
Potential employers shouldn’t be in business if they can’t afford people to do the work they want done :)
But they are, Blanche! They are!
I wouldn't call honesty to pretending that his problem with the Avatar franchise getting more expensive to make is an industry wide problem. VFX work being expensive isn't a problem unless that's all your movie is visually. And that's not the norm.
holly he doesnt know you exist he's not gonna thank u for coming to his rescue you can sit down now
He doesn't know that anybody who's posting comments on this page exists, bri.
then why are we wasting time defending him from criticism he wont see 🤨🤨
Why are you wasting time criticizing him with comments that he wouldn't pay any attention to if he read them?
because it's fun and i like hating on stupid ai bros
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP0T...
"as you can see, i have portrayed myself as the mastiff and you as the chihuahua, therefore winning this argument" hopefully the chihuahua tastes better than the boot you have jammed down your throat!!
You, being you, got that backwards. I posted that video in response to your comment about making fun of ai bros. To point out the obvious to the completely oblivious,the chihuahua was you. The English mastiff was the ai bros. The joke wasn't on you. The joke is you.
he just ignored the question lmao, not only he is defending them he won't even admit that lmao what a coward
You’re right. They should be afraid to say it
“potential employers” shut up
The employers may certainly be thinking that, but only because shit bags like Cameron squeeze VFX firms so hard, the buildings start bleeding so they can’t afford to pay them more if they want to win contracts.
His dogshit Pocahontas Goes To The Moon tech demo films are the REASON Hollywood went CGI crazy in the first place. He had a HUGE hand in creating that demand, as well as the resulting culture of overworking and underpaying the people that create these VFX.
The worst thing that could happen for all of the VFX artists who are overworked and underpaid would be if the demand for movies that needed VFX artists went away.
So he’s an honest piece of shit, I’m sure VFX artists everywhere appreciate that
Are you just James Cameron’s side account? It’s ok you can tell us
You sound like you flew into the sun, 'icacus'.
no he is just a cuck who defends billionaires
Yes and they should all be put up against a wall, correct
That fear is good, just and probably not intense enough, tbh.
Thank you pfpless bot account sticking up for the billionaire class, go die now
I'm more real than you are. I'm not sticking up for the billionaire class. The billionaire class aren't going to suffer in the way that you're going to suffer when you price yourself out of doing business with them.
I don't do business with maggots. I'll be fine. Keep sucking their cocks though, I'm sure it'll be worth it.
Why "or"? You can be honest AND a piece of shit (he's both)
You're right.
same employers who cut themselves exorbitant paychecks (often hundreds of times higher than their staff) after a full day of either not working or actively interfering with the production
Yeah a lot of employers are scum bags.
So what you're saying is employers are cheap fucking dicks
They can be because there are so many employees who have no choice but to allow them to be.
I'd like to see Jim take a cut to his paycheck next film to help bring the film budget down.
Less VFX and more story then.
Rich guy finds it hard to get richer?
1. Fuck you, James, pay them 2. Maybe make movies with less CGI and more sets and practical effects
I know, he could try using practical effects. The ones that feel real, because they are.
The crazy thing is, he used to be the master of that. Before he became a hotshot director, he did visual effects for Roger Corman. Practical all the way.
they aren't cheaper. depending on the effect, they can be more expensive. not counting the risks.
Wait, but those cost money too! Oh, how can he continue to MAKE MOVIES, if he has to sit down and make a budget for actually making the movie?
A strong reason practical effects are on a downtrend and CGI is shitting up everything is because most VFX shops aren't unionized, and thus studios can get a lot more man hours per dollar by using cheaper workers to do *everything*, even if practical would be better.
VFX is already a cost cutting/union busting measure, trying to pay these people even less for the amount of work dropped on their plates is fucking insane.
god I hope they can get unionized asap
They have been talking about that since the whole Life of Pi fiasco (and likely before that).
People should just ignore and block this guy(screen cap below). He’s obviously a studio flak. Or worse, an aspiring wannabe producer whose only plan for filmmaking is exploitation. His entire timeline is just variations on “stop expecting a living wage and work for the scraps you are offered”.
I know like 100,000 people have already said that every time he opens his mouth about this, but does he not remember that he co-wrote and directed a couple of movies about AI being fucked up???
That was before they discovered that there was potential money in it
I'd like to see the cost of executives and multimillionaires come down myself.
hey james cameron, avatar sucked shit. it didnt matter how much money you pour into a turd its still a turd
What a worm.
Claymation or nothing
Fella who makes millions complaining about people who make thousands.
JC: "I want the very best visual effects people have ever seen and I want to push the boundaries of what is possible in the medium." VFX artists: "There you go James." *movies makes more money than any other movies ever* JC: "Thanks. Oh and by the way I also want you to be cheap."
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Ah yes, it's terrible paying talented and hardworking people for their work isn't it. How awful 🙄🤦♂️ Must really cut into those billion dollar profits
There's no shortage of expensive VFX heavy movies that have bombed at the box office. Earning 80% of the pay that the talented hardworking people have been making on VFX movies would be preferable to earning 0% on VFX movies that aren't being made because they're too expensive to make.
VFX budget isn't as much a measure of VFX quantity as directorial incompetence. If you just half-ass everything in the actual shoot and figure you'll do it in post, everything is suddenly blindingly expensive with poor results. With some forethought it's amazing what can be done on a shoestring.
Studios can afford to pay EVERYONE that does the actual work and creates the movies. They sure as fuck pay their executives no matter what so they can afford to pay the talent.
And whose fault is that? Maybe the inventor of “unobtanium” can watch his own films about exploitation and corporate overreach??
Movies are not too expensive to make because of wages paid to VFX artists. They're too expensive to make because of the massive amounts of infrastructure and equipment expenses and amounts paid to the stars and director and studio head and producers. Hope this helps
Not enough people get the upside of successful movies. Heavy CGI movies, the workers should get royalties tbh.
Not really; being paid so little the VFX studio shuts down after winning awards ALSO means being out of a job. So at some point you gotta put your foot down and say PAY US or else you're out of a job anyway.
It depends on what you consider "so little". Winning awards doesn't always translate into profitability. The bottom line where you would put your foot down and say that you wouldn't work for less wouldn't be everyone else's bottom line. Someone else will take the job you turned down.
That is why VFX people need to make sure they are in a union. Fact is studios can afford it. They just don't want to because they are greedy fucks. There are billion dollar box office movies that studios still claim have not made any money.
You re imagining anyone can do VFX well or that it’s like a production line making widgets. Both are ignorantly wrong
You're imagining that nobody who could do VFX well would be willing to work for less if that's what it took to get the job. You're incredibly naive.
You do something well by doing it. Experience not lessons are the most valuable. Being part of a team that gels. Also. If they were that great wouldn’t they have the work in the first place? Nothing is stopping Cameron from creating his own VOC studio like IDM and Pixar and wētā.
You're not going to get the experience that would allow you to gel with any team if you price yourself out of a job. Working for less got them in the door.
Got who in what door? you're going round in circles. You're using company undercutting tactics and applying them to staff applications. mixed up much? If Cameron wants cut-rate VFX he's perfectly capable of creating a VFX company where he can pay less to that staff. No-one's stopping him.
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And that’s one of the reasons VFX have been absolutely terrible lately. Long hours, low pay, and quick turnaround - that sounds like a sweatshop. It’ll only make movies *worse* - especially since movies are relying more on VFX than story now. I know he devalues it because he himself can’t do it
Life of pi VFX studio went bankrupt
Rhythm and Hues was also pretty poorly run but yeah the main issue was an exploitative contract that didn't pay them extra as the scope of work changed
Why is it that it always comes down to the working people and creatives who are supposed to accept the “take a pay cut or get fired” ultimatum when studio executives continue raking in record pay even when they make terrible management decisions?
quick question: how little are you willing to work for?
Quick honest answer: it depends on how much I need the job. If I was struggling to make ends meet and my options were limited I would be willing to work for less.
His argument, which has not been fleshed out here, but is available in the AP article, is that VFX artist costs are too high to make movies people want to see; that if you have tech that makes their work easier, they can do more and create more films, which would result in higher pay for artists.
Anyone seriously declaring that genAI is going to put more money in artist pockets is a respin on the "Careful mate... that foreigner wants your cookie!" meme
One does not actually believe this right? Like, really? He’s concerned VFX artists toolset’s in-complete/sufficient??? Too many times those insulated from daily struggle to live, echo this sort of message, blissfully unaware🧠means "I’m not making enough💰, toys & things!" Gimme because I’m genius!
Part of the cost of VFX is directors not having a good plan, demanding changes constantly that run prices up and just generally bad communication from the director’s team. They have good tech but you need talented people to use it & talented directors who know how to communicate their vision.
I can buy that. Still, everyone uses computer graphics right now because computer graphics studios charge less because they're more precarious and pay their workers less than the workers in practical effects, yeah? Leastwise that was my impression.
He's making a volume argument. Not sure you would agree.
Not really looking for budgeting advice from the guy giving Sam Worthington 10 million dollars
No it wouldn't. Stop defending AI use
Why would we want to see some bullshit that had so little care and effort put into it that human hands literally did not touch it?
I don't have an answer to that. But people consume things all the time they would rather not know how it was made.
Sorry, but this sounds like an AI apologist. The cost of special effects has never been the make-or-break expense of a movie. And even if they are now, his movies have grossed literal billions.
It's been so long since he's been regularly making movies idek how he has the perspective on the budget shifts at all. He's helmed one movie per decade for the last 30 years.
You've got part of the answer, George Another part of the answer is that the majority of the consumers couldn't care less about what the people who made the product went through while they were making it and how much they were getting paid All they care about is how much it will cost to buy it.
Except that's just an old turn of phrase and every single thing that it used to apply to was subjected to regulatory scrutiny bc it did harm to the consumers, the workers, or both. We have intense transparency about how the sausage is made. They are not trusted to do that themselves.
Again, no argument from me! But do people really want to know all the details about how a movie is made -- or do they want to see a movie? Anyway, I am coming off as defending a director I am not a big fan of. My main point is that the AP article gives more context to what he was saying.
and thank you for that! 👍
Box office revenue is still in the gutter so I don't think people actually do want more movies.
A little counter argument - and I think we're on the same side haha - is that yea people do kinda want the details on how they're made though. There's a reason video essayists who cover every little factoid from story to making of are so popular, you know?
Those videos cover how the movies are being made. They don't cover how much the employees are getting paid. If they made a video promoting a fancy steak restaurant they aren't going to include a tour of the slaughter house where they purchased the meat.
That is a world I am ignorant of. Thank you for pointing it out.
It's funny for him to suggest that it was too expensive to make his movies when he could easily have cut an hour out of each of the Avatars and people would've still paid for the tickets.
You make a good point.
What about those of us that want to see movies with less VFX that aren't getting made any more because the whole industry is trying to move to a model where movies can be entirely made inside a computer?
You deserve your movies! Why don't we have more of this? I dunno.
Animated is cheaper. It’s only about money. Not demand driven.
There’s a reason why even today you show Back To The Future to a 14yo they’ll tell you it’s their favourite movie of all time. It’s like nothing they’ve ever seen growing up.
Maybe someone else’s pay should get cut if the movie is bombing? Say I dunno the directors
Me when I don't understand the difference between Budget, Box Office and Gross
it’s mismanagement that breaks films, not vfx artists mismanagement will not be fixed by having less staff or cooler tech in fact it’s the labourers who often check their delusional managers and push back
VFX is specialized work, no one is entitled for specialized work. And managing the costs with VFX is part of the directors/producers job. I also think that technology should be able to cut costs and hours with VFX, the problem is that AI doesn't do a good job with it.
Yet.
If AI wants to be really useful for artists it needs to go way further than simply creating images from a prompt. We are not talking about improving things in the margins.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58L...
Okay, James Cameron's sock puppet.
It's a sure bet that you've been called worse.
it's always the richest guy in the fucking room bitching about how much it costs to pay the people that make him all of his money.
That's true. What are you going to do about it?
well for one thing I'm not gonna capitulate to the prick when he tries to pay me less, and I'm gonna hold it against people who think i should
What would the people who think you should get out of telling you that they think you should? Are they depending on you to take care of them with the money that you would be earning on a job that paid less than you normally get paid?
I'm not sure if this is a comprehension issue on my end or a communication issue on yours but i have no idea what you are trying to say
It's a comprehension issue on your end. It's basic economics. You would compromise and settle for less if you couldn't afford to lose the job. I wouldn't blame you for making that compromise.
lol every time I've ever had my money fucked with my some rich asshole they've used the term "basic economics" are you a rich asshole or do you just talk like one and spend your time online defending them?
It IS basic economics. You can't pay your bills with money that you aren't making as a result of not having a job. You're not paying your rent (or your mortgage) with your "untapped potential". www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Suf...
most likely the second one, he is one of those people
Most art is not profitable because it all depends on random chance. At no point in history have these massive companies like Disney and 20th Fox EVER cared about producing good works of art, they only care if it makes money. They have never put artists priorities first.
Why would any random person who is not a studio executive ever give a shit about the profitability of these companies? Anyone who thinks Disney can't put out good movies anymore because they aren't making more money is delusional.
How about you go take a 20% pay cut on top of your already too low pay while being overworked within an inch of your life
Because I don't have to. If I had to in order to keep a job I couldn't afford to lose I would seriously consider it.
This makes me wish people don't work for him anymore
It’s weird that we’ve managed to have blockbusters all these years paying VFX companies these allegedly high costs.
Suddenly, I feel better about never having been that into the first Avatar or seen the second one
"The source of my wealth costs too much." - Rich Fuck
what an asshole
he’s a billionaire because of those underpaid and under appreciated artists, fuk james cameron
James Cameron died in 1995 and was replaced by a cylon
Counterpoint: he was always a pompous, self-cenetered, control freak and a prick.
Countercounterpoint: Both statements are true
maybe use less VFX you hacks
Dear Jim, Go ahead and fire everyone who's worked on your last few films. Crew, actors, vfx, you name it, and have your terrible new toy do the next few Avatars. If you're impatient with people not getting what you want on the first try now, let's see the clankers spit out for you.
Strange how we never see this argument when speaking about actors salaries who are responsible for taking the biggest chunk of the pie. If he and the suits cared about the "integrity of VFX" then look for new blood for your movies instead of giving most of your funding to an A-lister or three?
Why is this always put on the hardest workers in the team? Not to mention the ones who don't have a union to fallback on? Cameron, you can find a way to make it happen without dumping on the very people that make his work and actors look good. Everyone wants the Sistine Chapel for Walmart prices.
I love it when rich millionaires take about how it’s “Too Expensive” when they literally have the movie to pay their fucking artists….SMH
“MONEY” not movie, “MONEY” 😓
Director fees not mentioned.
@drovane.bsky.social mostra essa pro @gaveta.bsky.social! Depois de uma resposta ao Scorsese, acho que vale uma pro Camarão também
back to dr who.
I guarantee you that Cameron takes a bigger cut of the production costs than the severely underpaid and overworked VFX artists do.
Please get in your submarine asap Mr Cameron go as deep as possible
fuck james cameron VFX workers should unionize.
James Cameron is the polar opposite of who he was in the 80's and 90's. As far as I'm concerned, Gale Ann Hurd is responsible for Terminator 1&2 and Aliens.
Fucking yes. Yesterday.
people are understandably mad at this shitty opinion but lets not pretend avatar is bad. yeah probably overrated but its still good. saying "its bad" only further damages the vfx artists that worked on it.
The story is bad. I'm not going to knock the visual effects artists' work, only that it was done in service of a mediocre story that was cynically told and which insincerity of its author is increasingly obvious.
lol
Sorry, dude, Avatar wasn't even the best "humans are bastards to aliens" story told that same year.
thats okay, the story was cheesy. i still enjoyed seeing a representation of capitalist imperialism get their ass kicked with an environmental message. i hate bringing this up but it was still a good time to see as someone born in the global south.
and the special effects were awesome. like theres so many elements to a movie that it just very reflexive to simply hand wave it away like that
This kind of thinking is what has caused this wave of generative slop that is currently drowning the internet. Visually illiterate people confuse maximalism with skill. If anything, the maximalism actually hurt the movie, since it could never be immersive despite the "realism."
so wait what youre suggesting its actually the vfx artists' work that problematic?
So I am not being reflexive at all. I've had a decade to carefully analyze why the film doesn't work, and it doesn't, no matter how loudly its fans insist it does, and it doesn't work because its story stinks. Great visuals can't save a bad story.
Especially when those visuals have no style. Style beats detail every time, which is one of the reasons why you have literally hundreds of forgetable shooters cranked out year after year while TF2 still has an active playerbase after more than a decade.
(JUST one of the reasons, don't @ me with the others, please.)
The entire conflict of the first movie revolves around a diplomat sent to negotiate with the indigenous population for rare minerals not doing his job because he was too busy being horny for the local princess, and then frames him as a hero for saving some of the lives he's endangered to get laid.
Is it visually great? Sure. But it's a far cry from a good film.
It's not good, and the poacher conflict of the second movie was insulting. They live in a future where you can build alien bodies to pilot around remotely, but somehow CAN'T analyze the chemical properties of Magic Space Whale brain juice to build a bacteria or yeast to make vats of it for them?!
I mean, it's the metaphor for settler colonialism isn't it
He's still doing a really bad job of it. I mean, even "well maybe it's just cheaper to get it from the whales" doesn't work. Cheaper to book interstellar passage for your team and equipment, face terrible danger from large alien creatures who don't want to die, then bring it all home? BULL. SHIT.
Some allegorical elements just don't work when you set them in space.
I guess I can accept that, in a future where interstellar travel is possible, that Earth still hasn't learned how to build a new element, and thus can't make their own "unobtainium," but the whale juice thing is beyond insulting.
"I'd like to see the cost of lasagna come down" - Garfield
Dude, your last Avatar movie made around $2,000,000,000 in profit, I'm sure you can afford to pay your hard-working VFX artists a proper wage.
My daughter works in VFX - people need to understand just how hard these people work and how specialized their talent is. There are at least 1000 people in the world who could do Cameron’s job. And he made buckets of money. Artists don’t make nearly as much as he does.
"Things that make me lots of money should cost less so I can make more money"
When Cameron works for free, then he can comment on how much others are paid.
well, that's easy - stop using VFX. Dont need it to make a good movie if you have the talent
Why does my movie that every new installment keeps raising the bar for CGI and keep inventing revolutionary new technology that's never been used before cost so much more money? Can you be more out of touch?
Ungrateful bastard who's whole career is built on the backs of VFX artist says what?!?!?! "You know my slaves are too expensive. Lets make cheaper slaves" is peak colonizer mentaliity.
Y'know... The story was tired and cliche to the point that all it /really/ had going for it was that it was pretty. And that was all the VFX artists. So all I can infer from that statement is that Cameron's films aren't gonna get any better story-wise. And /he/ isn't taking a pay cut, soo---
I'd like you to eat my entire ass, James Cameron, but we can't always get what we want.
I’d like to see James Cameron and every other cheap-ass wannabe slave driver management dipshit fuck off into the sun, but I guess we’ll all have to learn to live with disappointment.
CG VFX artists are some of the most overworked & underpaid ppl in the industry, barely any labor protections, the business model is already VFX studios lowball bidding against each other to do it for cheaper & faster until its not even possible to do it well.
One actual problem with ballooning costs is layers of producers & filmmaking execs who constantly want reworked/redone VFX shots throughout pre/post/production
No
digital VFX artists need to get unionized asap. this is bloody dire.
Last nail in the Cameron coffin.
What a shitbird.
Ok. Pivot to popsicle stick puppets
Wait but don't the bulk of a movie's costs come from inflated advertising costs from hiring a subsidiary of themselves to claim they made the movie at a loss and Hollywood math themselves into a write-off?
I like the idea of blockbusters not happening anymore. The should double their rates
Fuck him
Maybe if Mr. Cameron cut on some latte and avocado toasts he could afford paying for those top notch professionals...
Says someone’s who’s making millions in large part because of their labor
While that gives me another reason to dislike James Cameron, I didn't need one.
Cameron: “Why are people asking to be paid to accomplish MY dreams?”
Well interesting to see Cameron has lost his mind. Well, he had a nice run.
This mfer is so mad that vfx people unionized
Maybe if you didn’t make films that were entirely composed of fx shots 🤷
Hard up for cash, James?
Maybe he should make movies more people want to see? As opposed to another Avatar movie that costs millions and that nobody asked for?
Bad enough to be a rich millionaire and complain about "VFX costs too much" while making VFX heavy movies that suck, but to specifically say "VFX artists" is so fucking offensive. Somebody sit Jim down in a cubicle and make him model in Maya for 10 hours straight and lets see how he feels after.
But, but, he’s seen the actual Titanic. He deserves all the monies. /s
send him down again
Fuck i hate these rich boomers.
what a loser
Man who criticized OceanGate's CEO doesn't realize when his own ship is sinking. I guess he doesn't have a Way with Water
Soon his career with be Fire and Ash
I'd like to see James Cameron buried under 20 tons of reeking shit so I guess we'll both have to get used to disappointment
Eat the rich Eat the rich Itadakimasu, bitch
Isn't it literally his job to organize the whole thing and make it work? Like I have a lot of unfeasible movie ideas. I want to shoot a film on the Moon, can Moon landings be cheaper?
all the people using this to attack VFX artists can suck shit. your dumbasses couldn't tell the difference between a practical and digital effect that didn't have an alien, monster, or superhero in it to save your lives.
yes, director of Avatar, the movie that all anyone remembers about it was that it was pretty. and who did all the work to make that movie pretty, James? the only reason that movie made a billion was they doubled the ticket prices to see it.
If only James Cameron knew a director who had a history of making incredible looking practical effects that still hold up today on zero budget.
“My movies that make the most money ever need to cost less to make”
That right there.
Avatar is known for its great cgi and VFX effects wtf is he smoking.
His movies cost a state's GDP because he can't self-edit, not because he has to pay people to animate his schlocky movies.
I guess I'm gonna watch next movie totally legal, if he's stands on hard working artists who are underpaid as heck are this.
Not surprising coming from a man with an ego the size of the Titanic.🚢
Do the VFX yourself then, James
"Think of the Blockbusters!!1!" Not exactly the rallying cry for exploitation he seems to think it is.
the fight to globally eradicate all gen AI is at the intersection of everyone's basic rights. from the invasive and totalitarian surveillance, to the theft of both labor & private data, to the destruction of human knowledge, to the militarized use of it, to the environmental and public health harm.
It's almost amazing how elites took every issue they caused and just went, "What if we made a machine that does all of this at once?" Just straight up economizing destruction
Definitely would want to encourage Cameron to try and make that shit himself so he can fully understand how much knowledge goes into understanding a VFX workflow at all, let alone doing it efficiently or at the cutting edge of technology.
Crazy the lack of self awareness here. VFX artists are the reason he has anywhere near this fame. They've been an essential part of his success. So to basically say "I want VFX artists devalued & to need fewer" is such a huge slap in the face, and I feel for the people working on his films right now
This sounds like a guy pulling up the ladder after making it to the top. Sad from someone who cut their teeth on practical FX (Galaxy of Terror) and matte paintings (Escape From NY).
Classic capitalist. Pay the workers less to make me rich.
He's mad nobody likes his shitty Avatar movies.
The first Avatar's plot was simply a poorly rehash of "Dance with Wolves" and only got big due to how innovative the effects looked at the time; He somehow thought Avatar 2 would be the same, and is now mad it barely paid itself enough for Disney to greenlit a third movie after it costed that much+
+ and somehow he thinks underpaying even more already underpaid artists and other SFX workers will somehow fix his insistence on selling a movie with effects only he thinks is cool (Avatar 2's color grading is atrocious) instead of making a simpler movie with a good plot instead
lol Cameron literally wouldn’t have a career without vfx artists, but sure, fuck them, right?
I'd like Jimmy to go down
"I don't like how much of the profit goes to the thousands of people who do most of the work." - Every rich piece of shit ever
I'd rather never see another Avatar movie made than for effects artists to be replaced because their already meager salaries are some how "too much."
Someone remind me, how much did he make off the backs of those same VFX artists from the first two movies?
Sure Jim, lower wages, but you first. Actually, no, just stop with you.
Pretty sure paying VFX Artists a living wage for their work is literally billions of times less expensive than denying entire countries water and electricity just so you can make the worst-looking cloud effect ever seen
Hey VFX artists? Unionize. Now. Before your wages get even worse.
There's a degree to which being out-of-touch becomes actively malicious
Board member of an AI Company that wants to spend less on artists?
Not even board members, given the number of writers who use it.
So they want free labor.
what every AI grifters dreams about.
and i thought they said that AI is supposed to make the work cheaper
sounds like a skill issue on mr cameron's part
ha ha ha yeah now fuck off
Maybe write a blockbuster that doesn't require 99% of the film be CGI.
Slopatar
"Overexploited employees should be cheaper" 🙄 Hollywood's malpractices elevate prices of VFX simply by bad planning and companies go bankrupt when they not only don't get paid enough but end up in debt once the work is done 😤
i hope no vfx artist touches his avatar movie in the future
What a piece of shit lol
I haven't liked any of his movies since Terminator 2
The man who pisses money away on R&D really shouldn't bitch about paying workers.
I'd like to see the cost of james cameron come down
What I'd like to see come down on James Cameron, I can't say, because I'd get tagged for a TOS violation.