It is a form of government in which one class (the proletariat) suppresses another class (capitalists) which is the Roman sense of the word This idea that a dictatorship is ruled by one single person making all decisions is basically a modern idea that is largely not really based in reality.

There's so much wrong with this. Firstly, if that's the definition then why not have a socialist democracy? Why require an authoritarian state at all? Secondly, how can there be any capitalosts left AFTER the state siezes the means of production? Thirdly, there are more categorizations than just -

socialism is democratic

you can ask Allende how that works. Or you could, if your shithole of a country didn't murder him.

Where do you think I live?

Why didn't you ask Allende? i don't care where you live, lib. I care that you are a servile dog of the empire, and you cannot even fathom it. It's pathetic

That's so funny. It's a shame that you'll never know how funny this statement is.

Maybe Allende could have explained it to me, worm. Sadly he listened to idiots like you

You're very funny hahahaha

The only 9/11 that ever mattered Unless it’s your birthday I guess.

i know i say that you deserved 9/11 a lot, but the date is what makes it

Especially considering we got the least correct ratio of amount of fucked it made us vs what we deserved

Please just read Marx instead of asking me these endless questions

Not sure if you’re aware of this but taking away capitalists private property and preventing them from retaking over and seizing the media etc etc will take time. It’s not instant. People will still be trying to establish wage labor. The economy will need to be entirely reorganized.

If it was as easy as you say it would have been done. Do you know who Allende is? Have you studied previous attempts at socialism and reformist socialism? Where could this have happened without constant seige? Not Cuba. Not Vietnam. Not the USSR. Only in your mind

Yeah those states nationalised within a few years, the remaining capitalists were abroad. You know what they did after nationalising? They didn't move into stateless utopia they just started oppressing their own minorities & outgroups. Because capital power is a medium of oppression, not the source.

Yes and you still have to deal with abroad capitalists as a fact of reality until socialism exists around the world

Yeah and if the capitalists are abroad then the proletariat aren't ruling over them are they? So a dotp isn't proletariat ruling over capitalists it's the state against its citizens.

What. the DoTP is still necessary to prevent capitalist and imperialist sabotage and protect against invasion. How do you think it would have gone for example if Cuba had no restrictions on anything starting two years after its socialist revolution? Do you not think the US would have just toppled it

the reason so many liberals flock to anarchism and idealism is that they never have to put their ideas in action and get their hands dirty Since they know that they don't actually care to abolish capitalism and establish anything they don't have to reckon with hard questions, just condemn others

No, it isn't. Dictatorships collapse as much as any system. You don't need a dictatorship for stability this is a blatantly false claim.

I've read Marx. Just because I read something doesn't mean I agree with all of it. Marxist analysis is a useful tool but it doesn't have all the answers.

Then read State and Revolution. It'll clear up a lot of stuff here.

This is now my thought-terminating go to.

Leftist reading Marx: “Man, this guy really doesn’t understand Marx!” 😁

what's the recourse when you finally get that supermajority vote to Start Socialism then the existing military+police coups and shoots you all?

Proletariat and bourgeoisie. Fourthly, the idea of a dictator is in no way modern. Monarchs were dictators too. In a system woth no democratoc checks what's stoppong the state from collapsing into an oppressive dictatorship? What's the recourse for when that starts to happen?

My point (I was making sure they understood this) is that the dotp isn't a dictatorship in the modern sense, it's a horizontal, democratic system that's worker controlled and opposed to the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Marx and Engels' example of one was the Paris commune.

Ironically, Stalin actually explained this concept pretty well in Anarchism or Socialism. He just wasn't so good at following through with it.