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(((Asa Zernik))) @asazernik.bsky.social

1. It is fascinating that you think antiracist and feminist activism are definitionally liberal and not leftist. 2. If you think that her feminist and antiracist activism is predictive of liberal views on class and wealth, you're just empirically wrong.

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Lil’ Donny B 🍞&πŸŽͺπŸŽͺ @lildonnyb.bsky.social

1. I acknowledge there are not hard and fast deliniators. 2. That said, leftists tend to focus on collective class consciousness and rights grow out of there while liberals look at rights via individual groups. Again, this is not hard and fast, but generally speaking is true.

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Lil’ Donny B 🍞&πŸŽͺπŸŽͺ @lildonnyb.bsky.social

The 2nd bullet is the thing liberals don’t get about their divide from the left in fact. Liberals see us as having the same goals, but leftists just do not believe dividing groups of the working class from each other is doing anything but serving the divide and conquer tactics of the capitalists.

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Lil’ Donny B 🍞&πŸŽͺπŸŽͺ @lildonnyb.bsky.social

That does not mean leftists don’t see racism, sexism and so on as barriers, it’s just that you can’t ever truly advance those groups interests until the group profiting off the exploitation of the races and women are finally out of power.

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(((Asa Zernik))) @asazernik.bsky.social

Okay One True Scotsman

aug 31, 2025, 7:32 pm β€’ 2 0 β€’ view
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Lil’ Donny B 🍞&πŸŽͺπŸŽͺ @lildonnyb.bsky.social

Dude, these are ideological frameworks that exist in the world. Liberals are about individual rights and individual property rights. Leftists are about collective rights and collective property rights. They are clearly distinctive worldviews.

aug 31, 2025, 7:39 pm β€’ 2 0 β€’ view
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Lil’ Donny B 🍞&πŸŽͺπŸŽͺ @lildonnyb.bsky.social

Let me put it another way. Liberals look at what is going on now and feel the system is broken and needs to be fixed. Leftists look at what is going on now and see the system is working as designed and must be replaced. They are fundamentally different worldviews.

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Lil’ Donny B 🍞&πŸŽͺπŸŽͺ @lildonnyb.bsky.social

The American system lumps liberals and leftists together, but their worldviews tend to be damn near incomparable from an organizing perspective.

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(((Asa Zernik))) @asazernik.bsky.social

It's okay. Sometimes people in "your" ideological tribe are shitty. I know that feeling VERY VERY WELL. Just breath and you'll make it through this trauma.

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