Yeah especially with like a cohort of 90 people split into 6 groups I don't know what clinical significance there is (and apparently some girls boofed even if protocol was oral so data is even weirder)
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The six groups are for E, EP, EPP, EE, EEP and EEPP group and only EEP and EEPP were showing significant breast growth, meaning clearly that what is important is estrogen and not progesterone...
sep 7, 2025, 8:15 am • 2 0 • view
It is funny because when I looked at the protocol earlier this year I kinda predicted that this might be the thing they actually find ^^ But also considering like range of effects even for those groups yeah there is a lot of "bodies are weird and maybe stuff happens maybe not"
sep 7, 2025, 8:19 am • 0 0 • view
yeah, those studies kept showing again and again what we were all already saying since years in trans diy groups...
sep 7, 2025, 8:21 am • 1 0 • view
btw do you happen to have a link to the summary? I only find the program in the EPATH booklet on its website (and nothing on like semantic scholar)
sep 7, 2025, 8:25 am • 0 0 • view
I posted here everything we have so far : https://bsky.app/profile/kurenaiju.bsky.social/post/3ly3sgfio3s2s
sep 7, 2025, 8:27 am • 0 0 • view
and the link for the method they use, published at the start of the study https://bmcpharmacoltoxicol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40360-023-00724-4
sep 7, 2025, 8:28 am • 0 0 • view
that I know too I did a read along a few months ago ^^
sep 7, 2025, 8:30 am • 0 0 • view
I know I read it just that you said the summary was public in the epath booklet but I can't seem to find it in the booklet that is on the epath website ^^
sep 7, 2025, 8:29 am • 0 0 • view
I got the booklet on my hard drive, but I'm not sure it was published online I can send it to you if you want ?
sep 7, 2025, 8:31 am • 1 0 • view
yep sure, the one I found on their website was this epath.eu/wp-content/u...
sep 7, 2025, 8:32 am • 0 0 • view
ok found it it's linked on this page epath.eu/conference-2...
sep 7, 2025, 8:34 am • 0 0 • view
with a sample size this small that's what, at best a decent pilot study? but also Melborune already did that iirc (albeit on only 3 months) so I'm not 100% sure why they went with such a low number on such an extended period of time...
sep 7, 2025, 8:15 am • 0 0 • view
I think what they were really trying to prove, is that adding progesterone was safe for trans people. The six groups and the "prog make boobs growth" is probaly only here to make big article title with false promise, which is exactly what is happening
sep 7, 2025, 8:17 am • 1 0 • view
*adds another article to the list of those that will need to be nuanced when people will pull it out as THE proof*
sep 7, 2025, 8:20 am • 0 0 • view
and that will change nothing because people are desperate to find a miracle drug for breast growth and they'll never want to listen... (the miracle breast growth stuff already exist and it's called estrogen and surgery by the way)
sep 7, 2025, 8:24 am • 2 0 • view