Yes, but Matt's not a boot licking idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing, and that's why I'm interested. I want to see someone arguing, not either agreeing or dodging.

Matt is a gateway drug, Trojan horse, groomer etc into extremism. A path that leads to people like Shapiro et al.

Exactly (well, since "Hunter's Laptop" at least). Real Time used to be the show where I could hear people like him arguing with Bill or someone else on the panel calling bs. No one's calling bs on Newsmax. No one's calling bs on Ben's show. And recently, no one's calling bs on Real Time.