polling on bombing Iran showed the public very solidly against it and they have put absolutely nothing into selling it besides “lol I’m the president I have bombs isn’t it so cool” I guess we’ll see how much the war-horny media does to shift things but loud immediate public opposition will be key
Unfortunately, all Trump has to do is perform his little hand-job-jive dance and MAGA-ville falls back under his spell. Apparently, all it takes is a village of idiots and boy do we deliver.
But I thought we were only supposed to do things that poll well.
Not with this administration. They need to be removed.
Fox News right now begging Trump to go all in for ratings
So far media seems to be normalizing. We are going to need to be louder.
Sounds like Marcellus Williams on a Global scale...
His cult will get on board and CNN will pull others in.
The majority of Americans are against Iran having nukes.
Makes all those signs I saw in Sedona, AZ in early Nov claiming Kamala/Walz would mean war, whilst IQ47 would mean peace. Donald is a mere school yard bully.
Hard truths - 1. Trump (hopefully) is term-limited, so polling at -55% doesn't matter as much to him as it would to a first term president. 2. His bad poll numbers won't make a difference until the negatives get bad enough to get a 2/3rds conviction vote in the Senate. 3. We're nowhere near that.
97 percent of the people want some form of background checks for guns and yet nothing. They haven't cared for a long time
It was the greatest bombing ever!
War == ratings. I wonder how they are going to spin this?
Don't hold your breath on the media. It is up to us, folks. Congress and the media are lost to us in fear and greed. Let them prove me wrong.
I’m waiting for Trump and the MSM to blame Biden/Obama.
Let’s see how the public feels when our service members start coming home in body bags🥲
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The rally around the flag effect will come into full effect and dissenters will be shouted down as insufficently patriotic. I was an adult for the second Bush Iraq war and I remember how it went.
Bibi asked him to do it. Bibi is a fellow criminal. The media loves it.
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Doing a war without any kind of institutional authorization when the public is adamantly opposed AND ALSO your regime already turned 5 million people out in the streets to protest your birthday party seems uhhh, uhhhhh.....
people can push back different ways, there are ways to start with something that doesn't take much time (scripts for calls and emails available here)
Anti-war protests will provide the perfect pretense to invoke the Insurrection Act.
* They never needed excuses * Further escalation will not work out for them. Historically, this would mean just dead as a pissed off populace isn't reasonable, if they let off the gas they live and likely imprisoned but in the US they will be free men. You can only escalate so far.
Also you can't escalate forever. They are already permanently harming and killing civilians. A "Insurrection act" will not CHANGE anything cause they are already offering no carrot. Authoritarians who succeed are rare and they HAVE to grow their influence, Trump is shrinking it.
(Obviously no one should be killed, etc etc, but historically that's what happens when you force a civ population to remove you by force. Mussolini was literally trampled to death. This is why the US has been mostly stable as there was an alternative to that bloodshed, so it should stay like that)
And then what? They put military in our streets, against their own people? (Too late already doing that) Our reaction is not what drives Trump’s decisions. He will clearly just make up reasons if he wants to do something. We lose nothing by opposing him every step.
If they're going to do that, they'll do it regardless. If it isn't anti-war protests, it will be people protesting ICE, or people protesting millions losing their healthcare, or people protesting whatever other heinous shit the regime pulls.
They just illegally bombed another country I don’t think they need excuses anymore So we’re free to take worrying about that over the table
*off
13.5 million last count.
He won the election selling that :/
I HATED Bush always and I remember with 9/11 and the Iraq War you couldn’t say a negative word about Bush or the war, you were instantly shamed and bullied. But 9/11 had happened, we were attacked, and I don’t see how this is going to fly the same way but…media is a total joke now so, who knows.
The fact that headlines and “dems” like Van Jones, Fetterman, are already defending this doesn’t bode well. The next few days will be interesting. I don’t want to go through this bs again, I hated bush/the wmd bullshit and Repub “patriotism” so much the last fucking time, they were so insufferable.
I'll throw a party when Congress cancels the Lockheed Martin Contracts!! Until then... these Wars(pl) will have corporate sponsors. Like his GodDamned birthday fuckery.
I wish I were more optimistic.
Same
What happens in the next few days will matter a lot, too. If Iran retaliates hard, expect a long and increasingly unpopular war. If Iran pushes for a ceasefire, expect immediate popularity that's forgotten by August.
Netanyahu cannot let a quick cease fire happen. He started all this bc Trump was talking abt an agreement with Iran. He needs a long war to stay in power and avoid charges. He has repeatedly sabotaged peace talks first w/ Hamas and now will w/ Iran.
Why? 1.) "We're makin' the world safe for democracy." 2. "God is on our side." 3. "No bloody guts, no bloody glory." 4. "This is America, the greatest and most powerful nation in the history of the world." 5. "War is Peace." ...and other lies. "Dulce et Decorum Est."
The only hope I have is the fact legacy media chose to die kneeling than standing means a LOT of people are not only checked out but also don't trust them. I used to primarily watch MSNBC but they bent that knee in the buildup to the election I stopped watching entirely and I know I'm not alone.
It's too late, they've bombed Iran and Iran will hit back. They don't have the capability to attack directly with their military but they'll find a way to respond by other means and the incompetent Trump admin will fail to stop them.
So far, the media are failing terribly.
They should find some vaguely influential right-wing person saying something about 'the potential benefits of bringing back the draft' and run that everywhere in all the editorials so when ppl consider their stance on the war, it's with the distasteful spectre of a mandatory draft in the background
They already are.
I certainly hope there will be plenty.
God its crazy, even my dad whos like red blooded repub is like "you seeing this shit?" Turns out randomly bombing a country not attacking you isnt very cool huh?
It’s what hitler did. Probably why trump emulated
Trump Fascists are on the move. His Republican MAGA base includes ICE’s Gestapo, armed Military, and millions of Neo-Nazis who hate People of Color. Led by life-long racist Donald Trump, these MAGAts are trying to convert the USA into a Fascist, Christian-Nationalist, White-Supremacist Kleptocracy.
Social media already awash with “Iran is a dictatorship and deserves it” and “they funded violence”. Same response from me as last time; “so does america” with added “America is currently a dictatorship” for extra flavour. Irks me they had a working deal and just torn up as a black man signed it.
Normally they are given a heads up to try to convince a population someone needs 'liberation' or is a threat to the US or some other patent nonsense.
Please don't forget Yemen. "You can't have Iran until you've finished all of your Yemen!" We are now bombing two middle-eastern countries. Double the new radicalized terrorist threats!
They’ll need a catastrophe to make it personal and justify it
Genuinely curious how the media plays this one, especially after the speech he just gave a bit ago.
Republicans will be saying that we had to bomb Iran by Monday. Jesse Waters will tell FOX viewers that Iran is a threat to America and we had to do it and isn't Trump an amazing leader for taking such bold and decisive action. And they'll blame Biden and Obama for letting Iran develope nukes.
Idk, big section of MAGA do not want war (esp for Israel). That has been a consistent strain that grew louder since first term. Not all of MAGA watches Fox. That element was not part of previous Republican coalitions.
Have you watched how they react to every other complete reversal he makes? It's a cult. They can't survive without dear leader. It would be too psychologically damaging.
Yeah, as a group they have zero principles. At least half of them are cultists, and the rest would rather see the US fall into fascism rather than admit that all the liberals were right about Trump. They'd literally rather see our representative democracy fall than admit their horrible mistake.
MAGA does not actually hate war. They hated that war involved complex, long-term involvement with smart people using big words instead of 'kill them all'. Trump killing Soleimani just because he could was fine, especially when libs complained. This one is 'Trump smash using B2s', they will love it.
Most of what has been done the past six months are not the actions of a government that expects or plans to win elections again. Either they don't care - the movement dies with Trump so they are doing all they can while they can - or they don't plan on holding free and fair elections again.
I don't actually know what way the media will swing, but honestly I also don't know if most Americans will care unless gas prices skyrocket AND OR we actually put boots on the ground. Or if Trump does something really crazy with the bombings.
All I know is, if any ICE hoodlum shows up I am going to consider him or her an Iranian terrorist and will respond accordingly and apologize later.
Legacy media is completely unwatchable. Full on bullshit mode. These people should swing.
World-wide protests didn't dent the lust for war in 2003
His base only under stand vengeance and property
Loud immediate sustained opposition
I think they fucked up the demonization. Splitting the slurs between China, Russia, and Iran makes Iran seem less than adequately Evil...not worthy of mass civilian deaths and wonton destruction To be fair, the media has to dehumanise a *lot* of people lately, so they'll need a false flag to sell it
The media is hard at work normalizing this. They have experience, after Bush started two long, unnecessary wars.
They always have "If you don't want to bomb Iran it means you are an antisemtic-commi-nazi and we will deport you to a slave-concentration-gulag in a shithole country at taxpayer expanse"
2001-03 neocons successfully linked 9/11 to Iraq in the minds of a lot of the public and media, so the public got bloodthirsty and gross. Bush admin also spent ~18 months building the case. Thankfully we haven't had a direct attack so it's a tougher sell for trump to make, and it's been 6 months!
Bloodthirsty (ˈblʌdˌθɜːrsti) adjective 1. Eager to shed blood; murderous 2. Enjoying or encouraging bloodshed or violence SYNONYMS 1. homicidal, savage, brutal, merciless, pitiless.
Can't wait for the next fiscal quarter when JD Vance says he was never on board with this, and people should elect him in 2028 for No New Wars.
The billionaires media
The news loves war. Clicks and eyeballs all day.
💯.
Not off to a great start I gotta say
We had devastating storm damage in our area or we would have been out today!! Instead we were cutting up fallen trees and cleaning up debris. FDT!!!
We're going to see levels of antisemitism nevrr seen before in America, especially if there's a terrorist attack on American soil
We deserve better.
The media has spent the better part of the last 2 years beating Israel’s meat and trying to get people to endorse their genocide, considering how much of a failure that has been, I don’t think they’re going to be too successful here, I hope at least
The legacy media ownd by the billionaire class will be silent because the billionaires also own both of America's political parties !
Maybe the general public opposes it— but Christian Zionism is all in. They don’t see war with Iran as tragedy. They see it as prophecy. This isn’t foreign policy—it’s apocalyptic theatre. And the script’s been written for years. 👉 www.hivegeist.us/2025/06/16/t... #EndTimesFascism
The neocons are getting a half boner
What is msm doing these days haven't watched any since they all backed trump and backed off after the election. Then began attacking Joe, even now for ratings and books sales. vultures all of them are vultures!
They had quite a few WMD morons on NBC of all places. The Boltons and Powells will come out soon enough.
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We need to take to the streets and send a loud message: Not in our name!
We’ll get a few weeks of awesome war porn til we all wake up one morning and find out 9/11 was child’s play
It’s been the White GOP Christians Wet Dream for years
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War horny is a worthy turn of expression.
Call your representatives. Flood the switchboard!
Another giant screw-up by Trump ...
Somebody publish three side-by-side chronological columns of US contributions to regime change and de-proliferation of South Africa, Libya, and Iraq. Cause the one USAID led has had the best results so far, and no US 18 yr olds had to die for South Africa to give up nukes and democratize.
Really! You all should listen to the public instead of the legacy media
TOTALLY DISAGREE. THANK YOU PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP
Immediately it’s become clear the media will do everything they can to drum up support
Honestly it's in huge part thanks to the Internet of today and the advances we made since 2003. Very hard to convince the masses of anything when they can easily connect with someone just like them on the other side of the world.
Nearly the same with the US sending bombs to israel. It's just our government's nature to do everything Israel wants..
the thing about 2003 was that at the start it was basically verboten to oppose the war in public and people suffered serious professional consequences for it we do not have to repeat that no matter how much the cable networks want to
I don't think it *can* be repeated, honestly. The impact 9/11 had on the collective American psyche, and just what and how much we were willing to viciously pursue in order to soothe that hurt, was unique. That level of national shock and subsequent bloodthirst can't be replicated in 2025.
I had my tires slashed, certain families stopped letting their kids play with my kids. Nothing that put me in actual danger or lost me my job, but yes, there was a cost to speaking out against it.
I fully remember the amount of pushback kids got in school for not standing for the pledge during the war. Let's not have that happen again.
Oh my god...yeah my US History teacher (total hippie) sat through it but that was literally the only class where you weren't expected to at least stand.
Sorry I’m a bit obsessed with asking Americans this question but what if you… weren’t American? Like my class in London would always have a couple of kids whose parents were over from Ireland or France or w/e but weren’t UK citizens and would punch you if you suggested they owed allegiance to the UK
Honestly I never had class with the foreign exchange kids, my guess is they would've been asked to stand but even the super patriotic teachers would've understood it's absurd (and possibly against the laws of their country!) to ask them to pledge allegiance.
Like idk maybe America is a really welcoming place but as a Euro, multiculturalism surely involves meeting *lots* of people who are here long term but would rather die than accept citizenship?
Non-citizen students are basically unheard of below the college level, outside of like, children of border crossers that were born prior to crossing but they tend to not draw attention to themselves for reasons l
DC would have the biggest potential concentration of these but the sons and daughters of foreign ambassadors are not going to public school lmao
This phenomenon exists in Europe because you can cross many countries in a single day by train. Living abroad for reasons of work doesn’t make it hard to visit family. By contrast moving to the US from euro or Australia (or even the Middle East) is akin to moving to the moon.
I had a fair number of friends whose parents moved here on work visas after they were born. Honestly though a very different vibe because all of them got citizenship prior to turning 18.
Depends where in America you are, I've never lived anywhere that wasn't adjacent to a major city or in the Midwest so in the first people are more aware and in the second people are too polite. Definitely a default "everyone wants us citizenship though" assumption ime.
foreign exchange students are extremely rare at the high school level in most of America. it's really not common at all that you'd have a student from another country visiting, outside of presumably very major urban areas. as a kid id see it used as a plot device in shows and assume it was made up
America is not welcoming. You assimilate or die. It's basically a hive mind.
You unlocked a memory I had in school when a sub in Texas threw a giant fit that a kid sat for the pledge and overreacted to hell and back. Our main teacher basically told us that you can choose if you sit or not. Being a kid in the 2000s was real weird.
The fact that you even still have the pledge at school in this day at age still feels rather cultish...
day *and* age
i was the edgelord who refused to do it in elementary school and i only have become more confident in that choice
Respect.
The Dixie Chick's never recovered
It is GOOD, right now especially, that tv and cable news holds way less sway with the American public than it did in decades past. Very curious to see how the MAGA influencers who have been screaming out against this react now that it has happened. Do they fall in line?
People suffer professional and social consequences for being against US-Israeli genocide now
Hey remember when MSNBC cancelled its top rated prime time show because the host dared to question the president
And has now hired a bunch of ex-Republicans to critique Trump as if they have no idea where he came from.
they're gonna go back and use the old 9/11 without a new 9/11, it's been 20+ years of literally the same shit.. I'm almost morbidly curious how badly the pundit and legsislator class debase themselves for this
I don't think it's verboten to oppose a war anymore. When MSNBC fired Bill Press, Phil Donohue AND Pat Buchanan for opposing the Iraq War, it was remembered for many, many years.
Or would hope this was the case, however recent history makes me doubt this. www.npr.org/2025/04/23/n...
The 60 Minutes story is bad, but a different in a key way: it doesn't involve war coverage. As someone who was in newsrooms in 2003 and now, I can tell you that war coverage is different today. The lessons of 2003 are still fresh in the minds of news managers and anchors.
I'm happy to hear your experience from the newsroom and certainly hope you're right.
We'll see.
Phil Donahue. On the hallowed MSNBC.
And anyone considering primarying Dems who are horny for war with Iran - and telegraphed that in their responses tonight - need to announce their campaigns in the next couple weeks.
Don't you want freedom fries again ?
you mean the BOMBS
Well I’m yelling like a motherfucker! Fuck that piece of shit!!!
"Liberal" pundits already failing bsky.app/profile/drop...
CNN hasn't been liberal since 16. There's a reason why it's been experiencing a long and steady drop in viewership, similar to MSNBC.
Van Jones spent Trump's first term telling us how Trump was really rising to the occasion and being presidential every time he didn't shit his pants in public. The man is a fool.
This guy ballwashed Trump over strikes in early 2017, this isn't entirely new from Van Jones
Van Jones is liberal or progressive in the same way the Holy Roman Empire was holy, Roman and an empire
What’s dangerous is this level of stupidity
As the opposition always is… we’ll see.
The MAGA influencers and bigwigs are already flip flopping on the no war message. They’re full of shit.
Are they? The biggest opposition was Tucker, Fuentes, who else- Bannon right? I expect any Congress person to flip, but I was wondering how these grifters would respond, their opposition seemed like a power play for influence inside the admin. Now it’s done, they lost. Will they condemn Trump?
I doubt it. Time till tell.
Where your "opposition" is the DCID, does it really matter how strong your case is?
thankfully the US has a competent, coordinated and motivated opposition to prosecute this cause in the … the Democratic… Party….
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This attack on Iran was an enormous overreach by 47. A massive power grab. We the people have not authorized this war through our Congress. bsky.app/profile/sumo...
When was the last time your congress authorized a war
I think I’m pretty much on the “against bombing” team but TBH public opinion is not always the right course to follow in situations like this, primarily because pretty much by definition “the public” doesn’t have all the available and pertinent information informing the situation.
and it wasn't the left alone in opposition, or the left and independents alone, it was the left, indies, and a large swath of MAGA and still the the democratic party leadership and media is fully on board. americans will die, americans are against this, and yet....
AIPAC is a problem. Politicians on both sides fear and depend on them more than their base.
When Ted Cruz was asked about them by of all people Tucker Carlson, Ted was outraged by the insinuation that it was a PAC at all, saying something like it was a bunch of individuals who collectively sent in their money to voice their concerns.... Yeah a PAC
