I love you all very much so I am going to be as polite as I can here, but "don't talk about God" is, uh, not how you politics in the United States of America and some of you should not be giving campaign advice
I love you all very much so I am going to be as polite as I can here, but "don't talk about God" is, uh, not how you politics in the United States of America and some of you should not be giving campaign advice
Roy Cooper has never lost an election in North Carolina, going back to 1987. Let’s trust that he knows what to do.
Roy's not going to take their advice. He was good for NC as Governor and trading him in for Tillis is a huge win for diversity, and things that actually elp people. He stayed in the state at one point to prevent the GOP crazy from claiming control (LT Governor) if he traveled.
An atheist who insists that everyone be atheist is like a Christian who... well, you get the picture #ThereAreManyWaysUpTheMountain
Mostly it’s just continued irritation that atheists are the one minority everyone agrees it’s okay to discriminate against.
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I'm zero percent concerned with his faith, and waaaaay more concerned that, given his age and the political era in which he came to prominence, he will turn into yet another do-nothing Dem who doesn't realize the danger of our situation nor what's necessary in the face of such danger.
Note: I very much hope I'm wrong.
I saw someone earnestly claiming theists shouldn’t even be able to hold office, and apart being a suggestion that we defeat fascism with a different flavor of fascism, it’s also the sort of performative edgelord atheism one should have outgrown by the time they were old enough for a learner’s permit
I left out the word “from” and now have no recourse but to think about it all day and regret
"someone" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here lol I struggle to believe these are actual people, as opposed to bots or intentional psyops. Then again, I was convinced Nick Adams was a parody account, so maybe...
I guess I can’t discount the possibility that it wasn’t a real guy but I did at least see an account repeatedly and earnestly make this case also speaking as an atheist I have known my share of grumpy atheists
I changed my handle when I left usenet primarily due to the sheer volume of edgy, caustic atheism I engaged in as a teen......
North Carolina in not New York City. The key word should be “tolerance”. That applies to everyone, left and right. I’m a progressive, a Democratic Socialist, and i am a Christian, I pray every day. Jesus was a socialist.
That's why the key to a perfect democracy is a separation of beliefs and state.
Especially in North Carolina! Come on people!
I hate organized religion but I'm a results oriented guy and I have to say so far religion has a lot more wins to point to than anyone on this website does.
Let alone in the South
The number of politicians more beloved than Roy Cooper is very small. He knows exactly what he’s doing.
People literally do not understand that you can be a Secularist person in politics, you don't have to be full on atheist.
I am a full on Atheist. Even a full on Atheist shouldn't expect the world to conform to their view. That's a bit much.
Those prayer people have lost the plot🥶
one thing that seems to be universal online is that people give political advice based on the imaginary electorate that only exists in their head instead of the boring old real one that actually exists
legit saw someone say "whoever runs on preventing payment processors from censoring adult content in 2028 will win" the other day and like I wish it was even remotely possible for "how people get paid for things online" to be a major campaign issue in a major campaign, but fuckin come on dudes
No one pays attention to my personal opinion, but if I dress it up as punditry and expertise, maybe they will care?
It's not the electorate, it's "does anything this person says not appeal to me personally"
I.e. the one that is made of people just like them
I'm very sympathetic to this problem, because actual voters are crazy.
We're all mad here.
At least he didn't declare he was an atheist. That would have really set everyone's hair on fire. Speaking as an atheist.
I doubt you could win a majority of legislative seats in California with an all-atheist party, let alone the whole country
I once saw a map showing religious devotion in US states and European countries. Poland, which most Europeans tend to think of as practically being a theocracy, was slightly less religious than California.
There's a Thomas Perry novel (Metzger's Dog) where a character in Los Angeles says that "one quarter of the world's religions were founded within fifty miles of here."
also known as "how to lose the black vote in your state with this one weird trick"
I wonder how many of those same people want candidates to be more sincere
Yankee Atheists have strong opinions about what a North Carolina candidate who agrees with at least 50% of their politics is allowed to say, for some reason
📌 #pin
Endorsed. I think it’s useful for white people reclaim the Church on the left, and take some notes from how the African American base of the Democratic Party has engaged with religion for decades.
See also
Exactly this. We on the left need to understand where we are and where MOST PEOPLE are, and that we will keep losing over and over if we don't stop trying to wrestle people into something that goes counter their lived realities. We have to understand LEFTIST RELIGION exists (I had to...).
If my recently transitioned trans friend can find a loving and embracing and fulfilling Christian community, and if I too can find a progressive Catholic community that welcomes without ANY JUDGEMENT trans and queer and non-white folks, maybe there is no real argument in "no God plz, we're lefties!"
So very much here for this, especially as JD Vance is becoming loudly blood and soil nationalistic That ain’t it, from the Declaration, the aspirations in the Constitution, and 250 years of open society iconography like the Statue of Liberty “I lift my light beside the golden door”
I guess the thing is that while the Declaration and the Constitution and the creation of government were always rooted in some proto form of white supremacy, they have been re-negotiated and re-interpreted in more inclusive ways, especially with the Civil War.
Yes, exactly. And, even in their time, the white supremacist parts were “compromises”, not universal endorsements. The 3/5th compromise got some of the new US set aside for free states; the Connecticut compromise gave the People the House and the planters the Senate…
America is at its best when it is the place for everyone. My favorite July 4th memory is walking along the Lake Michigan lakefront in Chicago's far north side, with all the people celebrating the country together, no matter where they were from. THAT is America to me, THAT is worth fighting for.
My best Fourth of July was as Duty Officer on a submarine; with a skeleton crew from all over the country, and a cooler of sodas and cut fruit my lovely wife had brought in for the crew, watching fireworks and getting horns and cheers as boaters drove past.
Oh, the military is another REALLY complicated issue for leftists, and something that I in particular (being from West Germany) really struggle with. Yes, the military is a tool of empire, but not every single individual member of the military is, and uh yeah that's such a can of worms...
As a German I have a long cultivated suspicion of all things military. But some of the most ardent progressive/leftist people I know are vets. And they too have a complicated relationship with the military, their service, what they did, etc. And I know it's not as simple as "troops bad!"
Meeting people from all over the country, and the bottom 95% of the economic spectrum turns a surprising number of service members into leftists.
If you’re ever driving the Mass Pike through the Berkshires, think about stopping and seeing the Norman Rockwell museum. It’s not a long stop, but it is a look into a wonderfully inclusive America that can be.
And that's before I go into that it is maybe JUST FUCKING MAYBE important to not leave all things religion the frothing-at-the-mouth Evangelicals and other fundamentals. Maybe we shouldn't give religion up without a fight. And uh. Ditto some sort of patriotism...
I'm not saying that we should ban non-US flags from our protests and whatnot. But this is *OUR COUNTRY* just as much (if not more, because ultimately there's more that are NOT them / MAGA / white nationalists / etc.) as it is theirs. And maybe it's a mistake to cede all things America to them.
Ceterum censeo, both religion and "America" as an idea aren't things we should just reject and leave to the right to exploit and dress themselves in.
Had to look up “Ceterum censeo”, and thanks.
I'm from North Carolina originally, i am anti-religious, and this is exactly how to win in that state. Everything from his mouth needs to be about why Jesus compels him to feed the hungry, stop eats wars, love thy neighbor. North Carolina is VERY religious and he can't win without being so
He was a good governor and a nice guy. I am glad he put thought into his decision. If you call it prayer or meditation I just don’t care.
💯. Roy Cooper knows exactly what’s up, plus it’s a genuine statement of faith coming from him.
I want politics as a whole to be agnostic and free of religious bias. Individual politicians can be as religious as they want for themselves, and even say as much. 👍
Yeah, Josh Stein, the current NC dem governor campaigned heavily on law enforcement (he was the AG at the time) which I found annoying to say the least but hey, he got more votes than anyone else, even trump.
I did a tarot reading and a handstand and I'd always vote for Roy Cooper if given the chance (was prepared for him to be VP honestly)
Many people have never been exposed to self-avowed Christians who weren't amoral monsters. I sympathize. But NC isn't Brooklyn. Going to church is pretty normal here and lots of decent people do it.
He’s very popular here! He’s got my vote.
It makes me cringe, but I know I’m not a typical American voter and especially not a typical North Carolinian. And it certainly beats throwing my trans friends under the bus to triangulate a path to success. Now, if he starts talking about returning prayer to schools…
to my European eyes it’s just so… yikes. Giving me the need to roll my eyes *so* hard, plus some very very heavy second hand embarrassment. One‘s faith (or its absence) is usually a very private thing, and certainly not something with which to rationalize a career decision like that
I am an avowed atheist, and I have no problem with a politician of sincere belief and deep faith talking about how that belief influences them and makes them better people. I have a *big* problem with hypocrites who spout off about their religious beliefs. Roy Cooper isn't one.
I'm not sure I'd even advise somebody running in San Francisco or Manhattan to adopt Reddit Atheist talking points.
I agree, here, it's a 'know your audience' moment, but I also think we need to challenge the status quo on politics. Running, where able, on a hard secular campaign. We need to wedge Religion out of politics, and religious institutions, as penalty for what they're participating in, should be taxed.
it's north carolina! talk about god, bbq, and basketball until you're blue in the fucking face.
The only thing that we need to get him to do different is get him to convince Janet Mills to run for senate in Maine.
Idgaf. Get religion out of my government. This is a dog whistle and you know it is.
Know nothing about him specifically but politics still IS local. And... The contempt that many on the left have against faith/spirituality/religion is about as helpful as the joyless scolding that we've become known for.
Thank God you said this-- signed An Atheist
People can be guided by genuine faith, look at Jimmy Carter.
I'm as non-religious as you can get, but I feel like a lot of internet atheists seem to think that it's simply being religious in and of itself that is bad. And not, like, whether you are using your beliefs to be shitty.
We need candidates who will look the camera dead-center and say they will have the Marines kill Glonzo.
Actions speak louder than words, and while I don't like public leaders shoehorning their faith into every statement, if they're good on policy I'll stomach it
It’s over, the atheist community of North Carolina is too powerful to overcome this gaffe
I haven't yet seen any NC atheists attacking, just ones outside of NC. But the rest of them escaped containment, that's for sure.
just one more thing to 'thank' Jimmy Carter for
As a serious though liberal Christian myself, I'd want to see some effort put into explicitly attributing classic benevolent and altruistic teachings and attitudes -- a la Jesus -- to God. I.e. make it plain "We are not Christian Nationalist bastards."
The number of people who lose elections after declaring "God told me to run!" makes me think Depeche Mode was right. God's having a big ol' chuckle.
Never beating the "would rather pass a purity test online than win elections" allegations
People attacking Roy Cooper from the left for talking about God, in North Carolina, are either: - bots - wedge ops - fools There's really no fourth category to sort them with.
a lot of esoteric nerds out there who don't understand how esoteric they are giving advice to advertisers who they'd never see as genuine in the first place, and I say that as an esoteric nerd
like uh, if you think the liberal is posting cringe maybe it's because it's not for you lmfao
I'm tired of performative Christianity as much as anyone, but ... I also think he's genuine? Picking on him because he says he prays is not a good thing.
Exactly. If we say we don’t want ‘em, the performers will gladly take them instead.
He’s a more genuine Christian than every single elected Republican! When he’s campaigning, Ted Cruz makes a meal out of putting God back into schools and he doesn’t believe any of it!
I neither know nor care what Cruz believes, but what he says and does are harmful, and that's what matters. What Cooper says and does seems to be good, and that's what matters.
The man has been in the public eye for a long time. If this was performative, we’d probably have seen evidence by now.
he taught sunday school! you don't have to agree with him but he is being quite sincere!
Jimmy Carter taught Sunday school for many years, before and after he was president. I respect Senator Warnock as well, an ordained minister who served in the same church as the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr, a Democratic Socialist.
Plus the religious left is a real thing! Like an important thing! Pastors, priests, rabbis, and imams (among others) have been at the forefront of civil rights in this country since its founding!
this too. We have a few Democrats who are theocratic (former NASA director Bill Nelson comes to mind), but tell me Tim Walz is bad for being a practicing Christian and I will wedgie you. Black pastors are at the forefront of social justice and have always been.
The average democratic voter is a middle aged black woman. This whole antagonizing of religion is very far removed from where most democrats are.
And it's the most innocuous invocation of prayer one can make! He didn't say "god told me to run," be basically said "I thought about it by praying."
yeah I think if you believe God is real and influences your life, this is an entirely reasonable thing to say. Save the complaints for the people who want to make being non-Christian illegal (and deciding who counts as Christian in the first place).
"Where are the good, progressive Christians who represent a positive iteration of masculinity?" "No not like that"
Love to hope on Bluesky to see what the discourse of the day is and instantly clocking "oh it's one of those"
I think we need to draw a distinction here between the South (+Indiana, Utah, Idaho, Iowa, the Dakotas) and the rest of the country. You don’t have to do all this in states with actually secular cultures. NC is the South, but I think people reserve the right to roll their eyes if this was NJ or OR.
Good grief, this is NC, it'll be a very long time before God isn't present in our politics by default. And Cooper's brand of Christianity is clearly not the kind to twist government into forcing a narrow set of rules onto everyone else. Battles must be picked, and this isn't one of them.
Yes thank you.
Why do you care if a handful of people on the internet are critical of the guy pandering to Christians? Plenty of Christians are already flocking to defend the guy out of their delusional sense of Christian victimhood.
"You should not be giving political advice" is both badly needed and widely resented criticism on this site.
lol especially in the south lmao
Are people really saying this?
My opinion is that it's fine to be religious, just be normal about it. Roy Cooper seems normal. There's a vast distance between this and a fascist megapastor doing a podcast on the trans problem.
I must have blocked at least 50 people in those replies.
Christianity isn’t the only ‘religion’ that practices prayer. Praying, invoking Great Spirit, your higher self or any deity one chooses is a positive experience. Spiritual practices are actually saving grace. I hope everyone finds something that works for them 🙏
this is coming from a Jewish atheist who has never prayed a day in his life, let Roy Cooper be Roy Cooper, we need this Senate seat
My hot take is that a person can only be who they are. That includes but is not limited to politicians.
YEP.
I mean, the man is running for statewide office in North Carolina. You have to know your audience.
This. There are a good many districts in this state (NC) where you can gauge the outcome of an election by which churches the candidates attend. As an atheist, do I personally like it? No. But you play the hand you're dealt, not the one you wished for.
Exactly! I’ve never seen a “perfect” candidate, meaning one I agree with completely, but that hasn’t stopped me voting for people when I mostly agree with them and have reason to believe they are open to hearing and considering alternative viewpoints.
I live in Durham, NC, I am a Jew too, and I love the dude and he is in with a REAL chance of winning this seat, let him do NC politics the NC way FFS!
when i run for immortal god-emperor in the Marxist-Leninist primary you can bet i will claim to have been chosen by a god (though a different god than the one im running to become)
Does that make you a Calvin…ist. (I’m sorry. The joke was right there and I couldn’t not make it.)
i dont believe in elections but i do believe in the elect. vote calvin immortal god emperor
I’ll keep this in mind for the future.
more collin's murkowskis and manchins, just what we need
Cooper isnt nearly as bad as Lurch or house boat boy.
Exactly. And, as an atheist, to all the people complaining about him being a Christian: Good luck finding enough atheists out there to fill enough seats in the Senate to flip it blue. Or would you prefer to stick with the FAKE Christians who are bending the knee to Trump?
To me, praying is basically like meditation. So "I prayed about it and decided to do this" is akin to "I gave it a lot of thought"
You say that as if Bluesky would have any influence over the outcome of that election
Hallelujah, you are right. 🎯
Been saying for years we need to take back the term Pro-Life. Don’t go into long explanations unless needed, just reclaim it & never stop saying it. Have lost count of how many low-interest voters I’ve heard claim to be single-issue & that’s it* (*Works better in states w/o straight ticket voting)
Cooper does defend abortion rights, anyway governor.nc.gov/news/press-r... There's an OK kind of Christian and a not OK kind, and he's one of the good ones.
Plus, LMAO, some people need their heads examined if they don't get that's basically the first thing you have to say if you're running in MC
Young MC is super religious
Plus, this guy knows how to win a statewide race in NC. Trust him.
Some of the strongest defenders of the separation of church and state are theists. Not every Christian is a Christian nationalist. I definitely want less religion in politics but I also recognize that the left can't cede religion broadly to the right-wing fascists
I also think we need to broadly support the social justice forms of Christianity
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I was expecting more Jesus from the way you described the video. He taught at Sunday school and prayed before making the decision to run? Big whoop. My fellow atheists seem to be getting themselves in a snit over nothing. Let the NC liberal with a history of winning NC elections do his thing.
I don't care. God is used against us by traitors and thieves and the church itself. I don't care what people are going to shove about a religion anymore.
I said the exact same thing on another post!! I'm an atheist who lives in NC and I would vote for that man over and over if I could. he's a good person and he was an effective leader.
God doesn't have any room in our government. Not one inch.
Right, like, 3 out of 4 North Carolina residents consider themselves religious share.google/yZTDoaSsbPvi...
Sees percentage of self-identified Christians: Nice.
Also, it’s North Carolina, goodness me
It’s a shame that Republicans and their MAGAs gave Christianity such a bad name. But politics and religion (any kind) need to separate themselves again.
Going from "I never wanted to go to DC" to "I thought about it, prayed about it" really hits as a "hometown boy called to something bigger Mr. Smith type thing", which--whether it's calculated or not--resonates with people. In addition to his track record in NC, it's a good starting point.