100% tangential to this discussion but did you by any chance ever happen to see the vandermark 5 at Duke coffeehouse once upon a time?

No, I must have missed that one(s?), sadly. Went to a million rock shows at the coffeehouse but don’t think I ever saw any jazz there. Did you?

dang that wouldve been really funny. maybe we coincided at some other point. Bikini Kill / UOA? Unwound / Brainiac? I seem to recall i played there once with my band and must have also seen other shows i dont remember but V5 and UOA and Brainiac def stand out (and no, not much jazz)

Those would have been before my time, probably, think it would have 98 or so when I started heading there (probably initially to see Chapel Hill heroes The Scaries? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

I have said this exact thing about weird fiction multiple times.

In fact, I think it's the primary reason we sometimes talk past each other.

Wait which of us is the Vandermark and which the Marsalis?!

I dunno. I think it's one of those Reilly-Seymour Hoffman True West situations where it flip-flops every now and then because you're good at getting into the specifics and I try to map broad-spectrum areas of interest.

So sometimes I'm just unhelpfully yelling "VIBES IT'S ALL VIBES BASED ON SURREALIST PAINTINGS AND SHIT IT'S JUST VIBES" and you're intelligently discussing in-depth how these things relate and inform each other, sometimes you're fussed over specific trees and I'm going "dude it's a forest."

Keeps things more interesting that way!

One of these days I’m going to finally combine my niche interests in an essay comparing Stanley Crouch and S. T. Joshi in their roles as toxic neotraditionalist enforcers of jazz and weird fiction, respectively

This is a very interesting way to think about it, but also relatedly even if Jazz *were* just a style, it still couldn't really be dead.

Wellll note that KV doesn’t say anything about death! He answers the question he wanted to be asked, about tensions between art as something active and commerce/marketing as something static

we dont want Jazz. we want NeoJass!

That’s an interesting take, and one that I sort of agree with though perhaps not 100%. It’s interesting, as I grew up in suburban Detroit, and one of the people I knew growing up who was a year ahead of me is now the president of blue note records. Who may be part of the problem or of the solution.

I think they’ve been doing good work recently!

Don has certainly brought in newer artists while working to support older music on their catalog.

This was a joke in 1968!!

he will never have to buy his own beverage while I’m around, even though I disagree