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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

Take โ€œChargaffโ€ (like the biochemist) - classic Brody pentheronym (in the male sense, it seems impossible to distinguish the prefixes)

aug 27, 2025, 2:26 am โ€ข 3 0

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Toby Bartels @tobybartels.bsky.social

So what does this name mean? What's the root and what's the suffix? (if that's even how it works).

aug 27, 2025, 2:42 am โ€ข 0 0 โ€ข view
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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

Ah, there's an extra (classic Brody region) twist - it's a Hebrew acronym first! ื—ืชืŸ ืจ' ื’"ื‘/ื•ื•? The original name was voiced finally; I haven't found clues for what his father-in-law G.B. (G.V.?)'s full name was - but the ubiquity of this template makes it clear.

aug 27, 2025, 2:45 am โ€ข 1 0 โ€ข view
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Toby Bartels @tobybartels.bsky.social

Nice! So โ€˜son-in-law[*] of R[abbi] G.V.โ€™ (for some sense of V[โ€ ]) [*] or โ€˜bridegroomโ€™, although in this context it's basically the same thing, which I guess explains how the word for one took on the meaning of the other [โ€ ] but couldn't it be ืค which is even closer to the F of Chargaff?

aug 27, 2025, 3:04 am โ€ข 0 0 โ€ข view
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Toby Bartels @tobybartels.bsky.social

(Oops, you already answered โ€ .)

aug 27, 2025, 3:06 am โ€ข 0 0 โ€ข view
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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

1) yes, son-in-law is the meaning in this construct (similarly ื›ืœื” means both bride and daughter-in-law) 2) my preference for interpreting it as ึพื’"ื‘ is because the oldest records referring to this family never use -f.

aug 27, 2025, 3:23 am โ€ข 0 0 โ€ข view
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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

Oh, and I'm forgetting my own conclusion from last time - based on common abbreviations of the time, ึพื’"ื‘ is most likely and abbreviation for the single name Gavriel

aug 27, 2025, 3:24 am โ€ข 1 0 โ€ข view
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Toby Bartels @tobybartels.bsky.social

Still โ€˜Rabbi Gavrielโ€™ though? It seems overly familiar as a way to refer to a rabbi, but maybe not in an age before surnames have been fully established.

aug 27, 2025, 3:34 am โ€ข 0 0 โ€ข view
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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

No, in abridged form this would be a suitable reference to any Gavriel from moderately respectable to short of the leading rabbi of his time

aug 27, 2025, 3:49 am โ€ข 1 0 โ€ข view
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Toby Bartels @tobybartels.bsky.social

Any Gavriel, so this is more โ€˜Rebโ€™ than necessarily โ€˜Rabbiโ€™?

aug 27, 2025, 4:27 am โ€ข 0 0 โ€ข view
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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

Just a touch over โ€˜Rebโ€™, when you account for the fact that there's usually some identifying purpose in these monikers - Gavriel must have been moderately important for his son-in-law to be called something in reference to him, instead of his hometown/profession/etc

aug 27, 2025, 4:46 am โ€ข 1 0 โ€ข view
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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

Actually, I forgot - since the earliest form alternates with โ€˜Chargabโ€™, it's definitely ื—ืชืŸ ืจ' ื’"ื‘, which reduces the ambiguity a bit

aug 27, 2025, 2:48 am โ€ข 0 0 โ€ข view
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๐ƒ† ืคื™ื ื—ืก ื™ื•ืกืฃ ืžื•ื ื“ @pymundgenealogy.com

(yes, his ancestors lived in Brody first)

aug 27, 2025, 2:32 am โ€ข 1 0 โ€ข view