We are entering an era where countries will (should) seek nuclear weapons ASAP. That’s crap news, and applies to bad guys too. Countries which already have them: USA China Russia UK France India Pakistan Israel North Korea
We are entering an era where countries will (should) seek nuclear weapons ASAP. That’s crap news, and applies to bad guys too. Countries which already have them: USA China Russia UK France India Pakistan Israel North Korea
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In the absence of NATO membership Ukraine is building a nuclear weapon. It's a binary choice. Taiwan would be foolish to not be working on a clandestine crash program to build a nuclear weapon as well.
in no particular order germany japan taiwan australia s korea poland sweden denmark norway saudi brazil argentina chile ugh
Germany certainly won't. We may pay someone to hold some nukes for us though.
No? Maybe France and Uk will provide enough assurances.
The scope on single countries in europe is misleading. Germany will seek nukes only in accordance and maybe shared ownership with our neighbors and alles.
If wise heads were to prevail, you'd have a United Europe inc the UK getting back in along with a United Forces of Europe. And, oh by the way, UKR should be included, and Hungary and Turkey should be given an ultimatum.
We don't have uranium mines, we're getting rid of nuclear plants, left and right are pro russia and would never allow anything moving towards nuclear capabilities. I'm sure I will find more reasons if I think hard enough.
Your left nor right has had to face a world where the USA is your enemy. I hope that's not a permanent reality.
And here I was, dumbly waking up thinking the world could be a better place today 😁
I don't know why we are encouraging countries to obtain nuclear weapons. Seems very counterproductive to the continuation of our species.
Having the bomb is the only way a country can guarantee that it won’t be invaded
While valid it is in the end just a theory, especially if the invader has nukes too :D.
The human instinct for self preservation is a powerful motivation to not use a nuclear weapon, particularly if an opponent has not already done so. For 75 years game theory has demonstrated that there is no such thing as limited nuclear war.
We tend to overestimate short term risk and underestimate long term risk. Humans are also good at finding creative ways to fuck it all up given enough time 😆 But I wasnt actually saying there would be nuclear war, simply that incursions can still happen, certainly if you lack good strategic culture.
But ironically this is also what makes deterrence work, and therefore makes nuclear weapons desirable.
Do you think the Israelis would be bombing the fuck out of Iran and Palestine if either of them had the bomb?
No, but every situation is different. Yes I think retaliations and incursions might still happen even in this context. I like this one, you know it :D? www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgkU...
Very good, hadn't seen that!
Dude google India Pakistani war, this was like a month and a half ago. Not the first and not the last one.
Not really. If your only defense is mutual suicide coupled with ecological collapse, then I don't consider that a very good defense.
Nope. Goodle the following wars India-Pakistan repeatedly, last time was like a month ago. India-China border conflict China-Soviet Union Israel few times lol United Kingdom Too lazy to name more
Out of that list, which countries still have functioning and deliverable weapons ?
All
Soon to be added.. en.tempo.co/read/2019556...
there is already talk of a Nordic-developed and share nuclear umbrella
France recently.....and quietly announced they are modernizing and expanding their nuclear capability.
Saudi/Egypt/Turkey can all develop nukes within a decade if they wish - all are building out the necessary infrastructure. It's a rational response to the current madness.
Building & maintaining a nuclear arsenal is prohibitively expensive for most nations, perhaps even Russia. In 2024 the US spent $51 billion on maintaining & modernizing it's nuclear arsenal. That was the sum total of Russia's ENTIRE military budget.
Also, minor point- Russia's defence budget is $145bn, and it would need to be adjusted for PPP to make a valid comparison.
$51bn is also twice the entire GDP of North Korea, and they have a successful nuclear program.
south korea might go nuclear. I mean they already have submarine launched hyunmoo missiles North korea might not be big enough of a threat though The nations facing the biggest threats from their adversaries (iran, ukraine) also face the biggest counterproliferation. Might be tough
Even if iran built a functional device, what delivery platform can they use? It would not be miniturized
Hwasong-10 may be the only option. Big missile for a big payload
have you seen the Hyunmoo-5? That thing looks like it's as big as a Minuteman III
Wow! Yeah it's impressive. Especially considering that Hyunmoo-2 is suspected to have been derived from Iskander
if the speculated throw weight / mass is 8 tons (36 gross tons) that eerily matches the LGM-30
(source: www.iiss.org/online-analy... )
guess its a good time to remind people of this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF...
I think the two countries to watch most closely on this will be South Korea and Poland.
Worry not forwe 🇵🇱are utterly uncapable of having a nuclear weapons development project.
I'd argue we've been here for 30 years.
Those who have them will feel they can do whatever they like unpunished, so goes the theory. Yet Russia has failed to prove their capabilities stop them facing ultimate defeat in Ukraine - their own economic incompetence will do that along with their military weaknesses on the battlefield. Those
who have them deter those with them, but beyond that they mean nothing. Use would result in destruction on a scale that’s unthinkable unless you are frankly a zealot willing to destroy yourself and your country just to make a point. That has always been a danger.
Considering how often russia likes to wave their nukes around, and how many Western politicans seem to take them somewhat seriously, or at least use it as an excuse to not help Ukraine, I'd say russia has gotten their money's worth from them. Without them, the war would have been over long ago.
Some time ago there was also a strange remark by Taiwanese president that one has "special means" to respond to Chinese invasion threat - cannot find this anymore but here is something else 🔽 globalsecurityreview.com/taiwans-nucl...
youtu.be/icSfjyIm_5w?...
Interesting, thanks for sharing - although the Youtube channel seems a bit odd to me due to a lot of strange advertising for crypto-investments 🤔
Is it just me, or are the majority of countries with nuclear weapons bad guys?
Ukraine gave theirs up after the break-up of the USSR, look what happened to them.
Most clear cut example of why nations must either possess nuclear weapons or be protected by an ally's nuclear umbrella.
Worth noting that status of ally isn't constant. For example, one year ago USA appeared as trusted ally of Europe. But now its too doubtful So every nation should review own status
The US continues to meet its NATO obligations. @jamming.bsky.social regularly posts notes about US air patrols in the Baltic for example. Definitely not the case for other NATO members for decades. I don't support Trump most of the time, but in this case even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Today, the USA is part of NATO but for how much longer? Most major European nations have had the ability to develop nuclear deterrence for half a century & it’s primarily been the USA’s reputation as a reliable ally that has led them to abjure independent deterrence. No more though, sadly.
The UK & France also have a nuclear deterrent. When they start shooting their ICBMs from the Atlantic the Russians are not necessarily going to know it's them and not the US. Things get worse from there.
There are plenty of bad guys on the list already.
so much for the nuclear proliferation treaty
You mean the one russia and the US both signed with Ukraine, and then both broke?
He means the NPT. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_...
Yes, I know. I meant the "Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons" Otherwise known as the Budapest Memorandum. The assurances given to Ukraine in return for their joining the NPT. Assurances now broken.
Can't imagine why the NPT is now falling apart, it's such a mystery.
Looks like it’s time to refer to the ancient texts: youtu.be/Pk-kbjw0Y8U?...
And Canada with the US ones “on loan”.
South Korea allowing the North to obtain nuclear weapons will go down as one of the greatest geopolitical fumbles of all time
Saudi…what about Saudi (via Pakistan)?
More here: georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2024/12/18/t...
Was also my thought ... www.bbc.com/news/world-m...
Nukes are not easy to obtain and smaller economies will absolutely need help from a existing nuclear power to get them. I can spot only one country in your list which is desparate enough to do this, which is Russia of course.
H I Agree. Given how hot a topic it is - is there a #DefenceSky feed or equivalent?
Yes and we will enter a era of "new nuke" from an economic POV. Like the "new space" paradigm : new actors and new production process will make cheaper nukes available. To produce nuclear material : - Silex enrichment process (australia) - FREGAT plutonium separation process (Czech rep.)
For vector : - Solid state navigation system for missile, reduced cost and size - hybrid motor, storable liquid fuel, electric pump - 3D printed motors - composite casing - low cost cruise missiles - off the shelf components (guidance, motor, servo)
For Vector carrier : - AIP submarine - ground based vehicle It will be a complete new paradigm with relatively cheap systems, fast production cycles, much smaller industrial footprint
Unfortunately with the failure of defence alliances any nation that is… 1. Dependent upon another’s nuclear deterrent, and 2. Can afford to or has the means to …Will be forced to develop nuclear weapons. NATO will be a crucible of proliferation as the US walks away.
Find it hard to imagine that France providing a European nuclear umbrella will outlast Macron. UK will soon need to consider developing a back-up delivery system. Probably air dropped bomb, home-made B61-12 if MDA survives/WE 177 resurrection otherwise??
Wow this is utterly nuts. We need a way to have less nuclear weapons, not more.
I wonder if Brazil retained their research from the 1970s and 80s.
It's scary because the last time a nuke has been used was so long ago. With more nukes, sooner or later someone is going to challenge "the bluff", and we'll be reminded of the horrors of nuclear weapons