The most important election is the next one. Every time there is one. Look what happens when you're complacent and think you don't need to participate.
The most important election is the next one. Every time there is one. Look what happens when you're complacent and think you don't need to participate.
Literally the post you're replying under bsky.app/profile/bana...
Stop using the line "This is the most important election of our lives." because all that does is tell people that Democrats are hyperbolic and dishonest. They can't all be the most important election of our lives. That's not how "most" works.
Why do you assume people didn’t vote?
because they want to blame the left instead of actually fighting the right wing. they want to be capitalist, go to brunch and ignore real problems, instead of actually changing anything for the better. they want to go back to Not Knowing. it won't work.
I have participated in every election since I turned 18 When people accept shitty candidates we get shitty results. Why do you accept shitty candidates?
I think many Democrats accept shitty candidates because they like them. Others may not like them but are happy to tolerate them because 'blue no matter who'.
That’s literally how democracy fucking works. If you’re so assured that your viewpoint is the majority, how about you run? Or run another party? “Vote blue no matter who,” only applies to the general election. How about you focus on the primaries.
The Democrats haven't held a real presidential primary since 2008. There wasn't primary in 2024 because the Democrats screwed up so royally - neglecting their due diligence WRT Biden. The nominees for 2016 and 2020 were preordained. So much for primaries...
Where are the vote blue no matter who in New York City?
Yeah, vote blue no matter who doesn't apply to progressives/leftists/DSA apparently. DESPITE winning the dem primary handily.
Yes. And that’s how we don’t codify roe, or gay marriage. That’s how we accelerate funding for DHS and ICE. That’s how we end up with the fiction that the border is unsecured. Bad democrats get bad results
That's exactly right. Trying to get decent Democrats nominated is like pulling teeth because the leadership is still a machine.
The fact that most, if not all, of the biggest victories in the last 60 yrs have been court decisions & not one has been codified despite having majorities during Obama & Biden is fucking insane.
I think many Democrats accept shitty candidates because all of the alternatives suck absolute ass.
Yes. Sad, but true.
Why don’t you vote in the primaries to get better candidates?
You know that's why leftists are saying they won't support shitty candidates right now, right?
lol, what?
💯💯💯 Excellent question, Ed. Inquiring minds want to know.🤷♀️
Hi there seems to be confusion. Ed is third party or left. The other guy seems to be a Liberal.
Because the other candidates are Nazis? Whew....difficult
Because we started being obedient do nothings at the macro level?
Do you think my grandfather, who grew up in the Jim Crow South, could afford to treat voting as a game of chicken between him and “The Man?” You are so blinded by your privilege that you use it to screw over people who are actually oppressed.
This is how voting works: you vote in the primaries for your candidate of choice. If they lose, you vote for the better option in the general election. What you don’t do is hold your vote hostage. Your issue isn’t the Party. Your issue is that your views don’t reflect the party majority.
Yes, my issue is that I don't want to support a party that will work against my views and morals. The party's issue is that it's lack of principes don't appeal to voters.
Again, this is a prime example of how privilege blinds. You genuinely think that everything is the DNC’s fault, and that the millions more people who voted for Clinton and Biden over Bernie are somehow misled. No, your issue is Black Southern voters, who will ALWAYS prioritize results over promises.
They were misled. This is just factual. They were led to believe that Hillary Clinton could win against Trump. Nobody can deny that they were sold a false claim.
I agree sanders has a major blind spot with black voters. That’s how Obama (who was behind Clinton for a long while) prevailed in 08. But the corpse of Biden was pushed by the machine, and here we are
Obama did NOT prevail because of Black voters, and your belief that he did is based in nothing but the assumption of tribalism on the part of Black voters. Black voters supported Clinton over Obama for months.
People who backed Hillary Clinton over Obama and Hillary Clinton over Sanders appear to be people who are very bad at politics.
No. You aren’t understanding. Black voters backed Clinton at the start of the primary. Same as 2016 with sanders. The difference was (in addition to the super delegate strategy) Obama won over the black voters backed over time. Sanders’s in a hole from which he never emerged, Obama did.
I voted for Jo Jorgenson for a multitude of reasons. One of which was having a woman president. Something guys like this were certainly screaming about in 2016, but forgot to give a shit about in 2020 because the establishment didn't tell them to. Funny how they don't believe in their own bs.
If you genuinely think a libertarian candidate would win, you genuinely need to educate yourself in how power works.
I voted on policy. I want federally legalized weed because there's no legit reason it was ever made illegal in the first place. Its almost like you don't know what motivates people to vote. But you sure as fuck will brow beat them as if you do.
But there were other reasons on top of that. Not that you give a shit though. The concept of "giving voters what they want" seems foreign to you. Even though that should be the default attitude.
I never mentioned black or southern voters so respectfully what the fuck are you waffling about? You're just making shit up about me to be mad at so you can hurl your diatribe at me. And you wonder why ppls may not want your voting opinions?
I guarantee that you have said the phrase “Earn my vote.” Aka, you expect Democrats to conform to you, a non-voter, rather than the people who actually vote for them. You’re a child, so you can’t stomach compromising for the sake of other people’s rights.
I expect democrats to not throw trans people to the wolves. I expect democrats to not arm and fund a genocide That is not a big asks, but it was too big for Harris
They literally have to provide Israel with defence. That’s how mutual defence treaties work, and it requires a supermajority in the Senate to break a treaty.
No, it's actually illegal to arm a genocide. Under international law and US law.
I don’t think they’ve thrown trans people to the wolves. For most of us, it comes down to that kids can’t get a tattoo or have sex, so why would they possess mental capacity to undergo permanent cosmetic surgery? And that people with XY chromosomes have an athletic advantage. That’s about it.
What the actual fuck are you saying? Like lot what the fuck?
Incoming 3 page reply about why you are wrong for reasons they made up about you
Do you have this much ire for the democrats who try to earn Republican votes or just the people you deem easy targets? See if you actually focused on that right, we would probably not be having this conversation innit? You'd rather do that than actually vote for good policies.
That's how primaries would work if the DNC adhered to its own neutrality rule. But apparently as a private corporation they're allowed to bend or disregard their own rules (& the voters' preferences) at will. They do this & still have the gall to flood our emails repeatedly to solicit donations ivn
…Bernie isn’t a Democrat, so he’s literally considered opposition, and party neutrality rules wouldn’t apply.
Wrong. Sanders caucuses with the Democrats, and has done so for years. You're showing your ignorance and have lost any semblance of credibility for not knowing that. No need to respond; I'll not hesitate to block you & your nonsense argument going forward.
[rolls eyes]
You think like a child. Like a little baby brain.
If I think like a child, it should be easy for you to explain how exactly my brain is so puerile.
Only children think in black and white.
FFS this is from 8 years ago, move on with your fucking life!
Sure. It’s 8 years old. But it illustrates the problem.
Reframe of this: "Damn. Dems didn't learn shit in 8 years. You'd think they'd do something different but nah, still trying that same old tired shit that they lost on."
And yet they won in 2020, while not a single DSA member has ever flipped a red seat.
And they immediately lost in 2024. Almost like they couldn't keep their shit together
It’s not exactly how it goes. The playing field isn’t level at the primary
Literally saw that during Mamdanis primary and that was just for mayor. And oddly enough he won it by NOT being an establishment piece of shit like his most closest rival. Also not being a sex pest probably helped. Oh and who are Dems backing? Mamdani? Fuck no. They backed the sex pest.
My sister ranked Mandani second and she’s more conservative than I am. My parents, who are literally friends with my governor, and whose close friend is Joe Biden’s lawyer, are excited about Mamdani. You invent these people in your head. Democratic leaders have districts that they have to represent.
Taking someone like Jeffries, whose district is Black and Jewish, as a pulse check for Democrats, is not accurate. Those populations are the least likely to accept an anti-establishment candidate.
Why hasn’t Jeffries endorsed mamdani? Mamdani win his district handily
"AHHH... VICTORY. IT BURNS..." - Centrist Dems probably
And we should just ignore that he's the Dem leader of the house because why? Because its inconvenient? Because he's a smol bean? You're telling me I have more influence than the minority leader of the house of representatives? Well fuck me in that case vote Mamdani.
He lives in New York. And not a single DSA member has ever flipped a red seat, ever. So taking the win of a progressive in one of the most progressive cities, and thinking that’s a game plan for states like PA, NC, WI, AZ, or GA, is illogical.
So before Fuckface McLecture over here wants to tell me I need to go along with their (not mine) party, they might want to go fix that in the very people in that party they defend first. Then we can talk. Then its not just shaming people into voting. Then you actually did some shit.
Lmao didn’t you say that you voted for Democrats? Or was it just “I voted?
I'm an independent voter you dipshit. We don't get primaries outside the two parties. I get vote exactly who I want to vote for and fuck you or anyone else who tells me otherwise. That's not holding a vote hostage. That's just voting dickhead. If you weren't so condescending I've been nicer.
Hey weird I don’t ever remember seeing Kamala Harris on the primary ballot last year. Am I missing something or do you live in Narnia?
Yeah. And now democrats do fuck all when the voting rights act is killed by the Supreme Court
Come on now thats not fair. They were sitting on their fucking hands for how many months before people lit a fire under their ass?
Please do tell the unemployed disabled trans person they're privileged for the crime of.... Lets see here... Actually fucking nothing? Fuck off with your shaming bullshit. You don't own me and you certainly don't know me.
I’m disabled as well, and live on $16,000 a year. But I’m not going to compare myself to my grandfather, who had cigarettes put out on his skin, who had a cross burned on his lawn. No one genuinely oppressed could EVER afford to treat voting as optional.
If the outcome of an election won’t decide the outcome of the lives of you and anyone like you, you are privileged. If you’ve never had to buy a gun, or watch how much space you gave a white person on the street, or been taught by your parents how to behave to avoid being shot, you are privileged.
Then I'm not privileged then am I? You know, since MAGA has been trying to strip our rights away. And dems just being like "Yea that's not a problem in fact fuck trans people" isn't exactly winning me over now is it? God you are fucking stupid.
Because not enough people show up at primaries.
This is a tired old argument that’s really an excuse for letting the worst of the far right continue to destroy all that could be good.
When we get shitty candidates, the money people at the French Laundry and the wine cave and Martha's Vineyard tell us this is the best we can expect, now hush.
I voted for Harris. She and the party and Biden blew it. Stop blaming randos for powerful people who’ve failed you.
When did we accuse you of anything? We’re mad, because someone is actively downplaying the suffering that millions of people are currently undergoing. The last election WAS important, because we wouldn’t have a white supremacist fascist government if everyone had taken the threat seriously b
Maybe you should address that issue with the back room Democratic Party leaders who appointed a nominee who had always been incredibly unlikable. (And that’s a data driven point, not a personal statement.)
The genocide lady? The most lethal army lady? The “don’t come. Don’t come” lady? The I will respect anti trans laws lady?
I also 🗳 for Harris. You're right that we wouldn't have a ⚪️ supremacist fascist govt rn if every1 had taken the threat srsly. Just like Biden & Garland who did fuck all to hold 45/47 accountable. Man should've been in cuffs later that day, 1/6/21, 1/20/21 at the latest. 1/2
Biden took the threat so "seriously" he told 45/47 "Welcome Home" at the inauguration. 🙄 2/2
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I've been voting since 1992. even when my angry vote for some centrist fuck succeeded, THEY STILL MADE SHIT WORSE. go left or fuck off at this point. I've done my time.
I've WORKED ON THESE DAMN CAMPAIGNS. I'VE VOLUNTEERED FOR PEOPLE YOU PROBABLY ADORE. they didn't do jackshit to change a damn thing; gitmo is open, everything is still racist to hell, etc literally no more, go left or fuck that.
if your only plan is “always win most important election” you’ve already lost. especially since you do not know how to win elections and frequently lose elections
That’s because the Democrats are spineless weaklings who are complacent with fascism
Interesting. So I guess this one isn’t as important as the next one or the one after that so who even cares that Trump won because in the next 20 years there’s gonna be 5 more elections each more important than the last!!