Fair. There's a time and a place for everything. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of who you are, but the social context these days heavily affects people's perception. Honestly I respect you more for understanding.
Fair. There's a time and a place for everything. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of who you are, but the social context these days heavily affects people's perception. Honestly I respect you more for understanding.
I'm not @charlesgaba.com but based on his post I'd say it was not an "understanding", it was a reluctance to deal with racial hatred while engaged in activism to protect our democracy and healthcare for everyone, including the haters.
Tomato tomato.
When you're the Jew living it, there is a distinction, at least that's my experience. In one, there's an open two-way discussion, then a decision made. In the other, you get exhausted from explaining/educating people and/or feeling targeted/harassed & make a move to get out of the firing line.
Well said Marni 💙
That's a completely different point than the one I was making. You're right in your own separate argument, but it doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't mean anything to you. To me, and the folks that ❤️'ed my comment, it has meaning. I appreciate this hits differently depending on if you Jewish & directly having to deal with this daily, or not Jewish. Just know it does.
Agreed, but still not the point.
Okay, then I don't understand your comment "tomato tomato." I took it as " you say 'tomAto', I say 'tomAUto', but they're basically the same thing." Am I missing something? Totally off the mark? (Both quite possible) Please explain. Thx!
The point I was making was pretty simple. I support law enforcement and hate to see them wounded in the line of duty. But if I put a blue lives matter flag on my car everyone would think I'm some maga turd who hates black people. Social context changes how people perceive things all the time.
Understanding that taking it down for the time being doesn't mean you stop being Jewish, but does cut down on the likelihood of offending the ignorant masses, is probably the right call in the current social context. That doesn't mean I support the ignorant veiws targeting the Jewish people.. duh.
Basically, you are saying that the point (the ends) is to make Jews invisible in public, the means are harassment, and the ends justify the means.
Not even close. That's what YOU are saying that I am saying, but that is not remotely what I am saying. God people on the internet are salty and dumb these days. 🤦♂️
At least 2 people read your "tomato tomato" the same way yet you insist on being misunderstood without deigning to explain yourself (in a way that only reaffirms our conclusions). So which is it: you don't know what you are saying, you don't care how you sound or you are too shy to own your words?
Your right. Anything two people agree on has to be true. I guess the earth is flat. 🤷♂️
If "understanding=successful harassment" then "tomato tomato". But at this point I strongly suspect that, at least as far as Jews are concerned, you do believe in harassment.
You probably shouldn't continue this argument if you don't even understand it. This is a perspective issue. All you're doing is building a strawman.
Dude, he’s doing it because assholes won’t leave Jews alone if we show any Jewish symbols. It’s a BAD thing, driven by discrimination on the left. You shouldn’t “respect” this, you should be angry & ashamed that it’s necessary.
That's an odd perspective. Blaming the left but not the right? Assuming I should be ashamed of other people's actions? Assuming I'm not opposed to their actions? I think you should take a minute and reevaluate. Not every idea that comes into your head is a good one.
Accusing random Jews of being zionist is a problem on the left, not the right. They have different antisemitism on the right.
Jews are responding angrily to you because of the “I respect you for understanding.” You seemed to be saying “Yes, Jews should stop using Jewish symbols because they might be misunderstood.” We shouldn’t have to do that, & it’s terrible he had to.
Yes. And I already said that. People are responding angrily because they are angry, not because of what I said. Most of them won't take the time to understand it before responding, and they insert whatever perspective fits their venting. It's fine.
When other people tell me, “Hey, you phrased that really badly, everyone misunderstood you,” I apologize & explain what I meant. But I guess “doubling down & insulting everyone who tries to call you in” is an option, too. A totally unproductive & time wasting option, but you do you. Muting now.
Again, perspective. They tried to correct me on what I meant. So I corrected them. I'm no more insulting than they are. Mute if you want. Minding yoyr own business was always an option.