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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

If we are talking about people in the south east who own a house, then their pension pot doesn’t need to be very big, and their standard of living does not need to be much more than basic, for this to affect them.

aug 20, 2025, 10:47 am • 0 0

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Daniel in Cornwall @danielincornwall.bsky.social

For it to affect a married couple owning an average house in the SE (value c.£450k) they would need to have savings plus "excess" pension - i.e. pension that they don't draw/annuitise etc - of £550k before it becomes an issue. And then IHT is only on the excess.

aug 20, 2025, 10:51 am • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

550k gets you a 20k a year pension at the recommended 4% withdrawal rate. They aren’t living like kings.

aug 20, 2025, 12:02 pm • 0 0 • view
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Daniel in Cornwall @danielincornwall.bsky.social

But at that level they also won't have any IHT exposure - and on average you are looking at the fund level after 10+ years of withdrawal, not the "peak" value before drawdown. The peak fund value you would need to have to expect to have a death estate subject to IHT is a lot more than £550k.

aug 20, 2025, 12:15 pm • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

25k then. The avarice.

aug 20, 2025, 12:19 pm • 0 0 • view
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Daniel in Cornwall @danielincornwall.bsky.social

yes but again, if they actually draw it they won't end up with an IHT liability. We are only talking about situations where they have a fund that would support drawing e.g. £30kpa, they only draw £20k, and they end up with a larger balance on death. It's not a tax on large pensions that are "used"

aug 20, 2025, 12:38 pm • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

Because no one can predict when they are going to die. These people are not in receipt of index linked pensions, guaranteed for life.

aug 20, 2025, 1:56 pm • 0 0 • view
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Daniel in Cornwall @danielincornwall.bsky.social

...and have chosen not to annuitise in the hope of passing on the surplus they have over and above meeting their lifetime income needs? It's a chosen strategy, not one that is forced on people (it's pension freedom, not compulsion....)

aug 20, 2025, 2:42 pm • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

More likely because for the last 20 years annuity rates have been awful.

aug 20, 2025, 2:48 pm • 0 0 • view
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Daniel in Cornwall @danielincornwall.bsky.social

yes, because they think they will achieve greater value (higher income and retained surplus) through this route - if they "win" that bet, then the surplus forms part of their estate for IHT purposes.

aug 20, 2025, 2:59 pm • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

I think for most just higher income. Still nowhere near what their compatriots in the public sector enjoy.

aug 20, 2025, 6:30 pm • 0 0 • view
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jonesybear.bsky.social @jonesybear.bsky.social

What needs looking at is the disparity between those who have saved for a pension in the private sector vs what is available in the public sector, through taxpayer funded contributions well in excess of 20% pa and index linked and guaranteed until death. Compare that to an equivalent 550k annuity.

aug 20, 2025, 12:22 pm • 0 0 • view