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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

No. My stance was if the alternative is everyone else dies, then I’d sacrifice myself and other cis people to allow others to survive. You can’t comprehend sacrificing any of your believes if it means others are better off.

aug 29, 2025, 9:07 pm • 0 0

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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

Cool hypothetical I guess, where even there you're willing to sacrifice people. Your last sentence is incoherent by the way.

aug 29, 2025, 9:12 pm • 6 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

Ever have a kid or significant other? You have to make sacrifices for their benefits. It’s not a hard concept.

aug 29, 2025, 9:42 pm • 0 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

Sacrifices which aren't LOSING BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. Why should anyone support a party that will, without hesitation, drop support for any minority? Is that voting against fascism? Or is that voting for it?

aug 29, 2025, 9:47 pm • 3 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

"I'm willing to sacrifice my child's healthcare for the sake of my child" is a real bad argument

aug 29, 2025, 9:47 pm • 6 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

You’re obsessed with putting words in my mouth. I’m saying I make personal sacrifices to better the lives of my children. You can’t comprehend making sacrifices for others since you’re willing to abandon all other principles and people if your main agenda isn’t met.

aug 29, 2025, 10:17 pm • 0 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

You're asking an entire demographic to give up their rights to save your own. I'm not willing to have you put my right to health care up for debate and you shouldn't be ok with anyone asking you to do that either. Demand better.

aug 29, 2025, 10:33 pm • 5 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

You’re asking and even larger demographic me to withhold their vote if your demographics demands aren’t met 100%

aug 29, 2025, 10:36 pm • 1 0 • view
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gamera obscura @ohrobin.bsky.social

Ok, how’s this. Hypothetically, we can defeat the GOP, but I get to kill and eat your children. That’s fair, right?

aug 29, 2025, 10:42 pm • 13 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

Gotta make sacrifices right

aug 29, 2025, 10:47 pm • 5 0 • view
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gamera obscura @ohrobin.bsky.social

And it’s almost time for dinner!

aug 29, 2025, 10:48 pm • 6 0 • view
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Megan E. Zombi @zombiscribe.bsky.social

Okay so then what rights are you willing to give up? If it's perfectly acceptable to demand trans people give up theirs, what are you willing to give up yourself?

aug 29, 2025, 10:41 pm • 3 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

Spoiler: I'm not trans. Standing up for people's rights is the right thing to do even if they don't personally effect you. I'm not willing to vote for anybody who's willing to give up healthcare for minorities to appease the mythical moderate who never votes Dem anyways. Grow a spine and fight.

aug 29, 2025, 10:40 pm • 6 1 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

So you’d abandon all of people’s rights if trans people’s rights aren’t a priority for a candidate? That’s not standing up for people’s rights.

aug 29, 2025, 10:49 pm • 0 0 • view
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✨Jessie!✨ @jessisamess.gay

how is not voting for one specific candidate "abandoning all of people's rights" just get a better candidate

aug 29, 2025, 11:01 pm • 1 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

Say you support: - Medicare for all - Human rights for all - $25 min. wage - Ending the Palestinian genocide - Defund or Reform the police - stop kidnapping and deporting people - Funding mRNA research - etc. Then, the nominee supports all of those but one. Do you abandon the rest and not vote?

aug 29, 2025, 11:09 pm • 0 0 • view
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cole1312💖💜💙 @cole1114.bsky.social

we are asking the demographic of "people with morals" to do the right thing and support a minority. if your group of "people with no morals" is larger then it doesn't matter who the dems run, because they'll lose.

aug 29, 2025, 10:49 pm • 2 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

I was asked a hypothetical and answered it, dipstick. And the last sentence is pretty clear if you understand words. I’m saying you’re too selfish to consider ever making any personal sacrifices for the greater good of humanity. You pretend to care about others, but clearly don’t.

aug 29, 2025, 9:40 pm • 0 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

Don't start getting defensive about your bad brain dumbfuck. I won't sacrifice ANY human rights, not trans, not bipoc, not queer, not women's, because sacrificing rights is FASCISM.

aug 29, 2025, 9:52 pm • 2 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

It's only a hypothetical for you because your rights aren't at stake.

aug 29, 2025, 9:42 pm • 3 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

Also do you think telling all cis people they need to give up their right to healthcare is a winning political strategy?

aug 29, 2025, 9:19 pm • 2 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

Why not just fight for everyone having healthcare instead of trying to decide which groups get to have it?

aug 29, 2025, 9:08 pm • 7 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

I do fight for that. But if the eventual nominee doesn’t align 100% with my views, I’m not going to abandon everyone else and my other views because of that.

aug 29, 2025, 9:35 pm • 0 0 • view
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Scott ACAB Black Lives Matter Menor 🍉 PhD @smenor.com

Literally arguing for 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler rather than 0% Hitler.

aug 30, 2025, 1:11 am • 3 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

Youre not fighting if you're compromising. You're doing less bad fascism in the hopes of stalling the worse fascism. Has that ever historically worked out as anything but more fascism? Did you know that Hitler wasn't voted into power? It was compromise in the hopes he'd settle down. Did that work?

aug 29, 2025, 9:49 pm • 3 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

You do understand how a two party system works, right? You fight for you candidate in the primary. If they don’t win, you’re down to two choices. You’d rather not vote and help elect an actual fascist republican.

aug 29, 2025, 10:35 pm • 0 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY THIS TO YOU? ARE YOU NOT READING IT OR ARE YOU FUCKING DUMB? If you show you are willing to vote for genocide, or for sacrificing rights, that's what you get every time. Holding your vote hostage AT ANY COST is the ONLY way to push democrats to support those rights.

aug 29, 2025, 10:44 pm • 4 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

So instead of supporting fascist institutions and moving right, we stand firm no matter what they do to us because we DO NOT COMPROMISE ON HUMAN RIGHTS or else we will lose ALL HUMAN RIGHTS for EVERYONE who isn't a WHITE MAN. ITS NOT A SINGLE ELECTION YOU FUCKING CLOWN.

aug 29, 2025, 10:44 pm • 3 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

Withholding your vote helped lead to the current fascist administration. We’ll be lucky if there is an election in 2028 the way things are trending. But you probably don’t care since you don’t vote anyway.

aug 29, 2025, 11:01 pm • 1 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

TRUMP WAS ALREADY PRESIDENT YOU FUCKING CRETIN AND VOTING FOR THE LESSER EVIL GOT US HERE I have been VERY clear the extent to which I care you dishonest piece of shit, but please do exhibit the degree to which you're intentionally missing the point and refusing to understand what has been said.

aug 29, 2025, 11:15 pm • 1 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

Normally when people fight for stuff they don't say "yeah I'm willing to give this up". No wonder the Dems are in the state they're in now.

aug 29, 2025, 9:42 pm • 4 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

Then show me the perfect candidate. I’ve been waiting for that answer.

aug 29, 2025, 10:11 pm • 1 0 • view
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Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints @moralconstraints.bsky.social

The "perfect" candidate is settling, basic human rights is settling, this is compromise. But YOU are unwilling to stand up for basic human rights, preferring to compromise on human rights and effectively make them meaningless. Do you think the compromising will stop at trans people?

aug 29, 2025, 10:40 pm • 2 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

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aug 29, 2025, 10:17 pm • 3 0 • view
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cole1312💖💜💙 @cole1114.bsky.social

pritzker, beshear, aoc, there's dozens of people better. you're choosing to defend the only one who has advocated for ending trans healthcare for adults.

aug 29, 2025, 10:42 pm • 4 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

Pritzker hasn’t vocalized support for Medicare for all. He’s worth $3.6 billion. That isn’t perfect. However, he is clearly one of the best, if not the best candidate. He’s fighting for sure and would be my #1 right now. That proves my point that no candidate will 100% align with your beliefs.

aug 29, 2025, 10:57 pm • 0 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

Who's healthcare is Pritzker advocating to take away?

aug 29, 2025, 11:01 pm • 2 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

None, to my knowledge. But if you worked on that reading comprehension, you’d see that he’s my #1 candidate.

aug 29, 2025, 11:10 pm • 0 0 • view
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Stove @kitchensoftware.bsky.social

Great! He's someone I would vote for then. See how easy it is?

aug 29, 2025, 11:12 pm • 3 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

He’s someone I’d vote for, too. Let’s put our support behind him in the primary and instead of wasting time fighting.

aug 29, 2025, 11:14 pm • 0 0 • view
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cole1312💖💜💙 @cole1114.bsky.social

yeah and none of them have advocated for ending trans healthcare for adults. newsom openly said he didn't want under-25s getting trans healthcare. but you're fine with that!

aug 29, 2025, 10:59 pm • 1 0 • view
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Jonathan L. Box @lonniebirkenstock.bsky.social

Which is exactly why I support any of them over Newsom. But, again, IF Newsom somehow won the primary, he’d get my vote in the general. I hope it doesn’t come to that.

aug 29, 2025, 11:04 pm • 1 0 • view
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cole1312💖💜💙 @cole1114.bsky.social

if you promise to vote for him in the general, you make it more likely for him to win in the primary. how do you not understand that?

aug 29, 2025, 11:06 pm • 1 0 • view