He recently learned that Elizabethan England mandated church attendance (he seems to think this really arcane knowledge) and believes this would be a good model for society
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Yeah, if they wanna mandate church attendance they had better be prepared to force me. The experience will not be pleasant for anyone involved.
aug 27, 2025, 6:06 pm • 12 0 • view
Just respond to all prayers with "HAIL SATAN!" ;)
aug 28, 2025, 7:53 am • 2 0 • view
The mandated church attendance included the state imposing financial burdens on anyone who wasn't a member of an approved church, that were crushingly harsh to any non-elite, which may be his favorite part.
aug 27, 2025, 5:57 am • 85 3 • view
right like mandated church attendance wasn't designed to make the proles morally better it was designed to smoke out hidden catholics and persecute them (since attending an anglican mass was a mortal sin for 17th century catholics, they couldn't attend church)
aug 27, 2025, 8:08 pm • 34 2 • view
Also other unapproved Christian sects, which were big thing at the time (hence Massachusetts, for example).
aug 27, 2025, 8:28 pm • 21 0 • view
i actually don't know the answer to this one way or another, did puritans and other protestant dissenters consider it sinful to attend anglican service the same way catholics did?
aug 27, 2025, 8:30 pm • 12 0 • view
as someone with mostly irish heritage ive fallen into the trap before of interpreting modern english history as being *exclusively* about oppressing catholics when it's only about that most of the time
aug 27, 2025, 8:30 pm • 15 0 • view
It's not my heritage at all and I only vaguely remember some things I've read, but certainly there were nonconformist Christians who refused to attend a recognized church and were therefore fined money they couldn't really afford.
aug 27, 2025, 8:32 pm • 5 0 • view
Yes, though most of the premature Dissenters are post-Elizabeth anyway. Elizabethan Dissent (not Presbyterian) was mostly still internal Anglican. And it varied by degree and sect, but once the can of “I interpret it my way” was open, theology went Wild Wild West REALLY fast.
aug 27, 2025, 9:04 pm • 2 0 • view
Quakers did
aug 27, 2025, 8:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Quakerism did not exist till well after the Elizabethan era
aug 27, 2025, 8:45 pm • 1 0 • view
mtsw just referred to 17th century, which Quakerism formed in the middle of
aug 27, 2025, 8:48 pm • 1 0 • view
you're both right. OP was specifically talking elizabethan era (pre quakers) but i expanded the conversation to the 17th century as a whole (def includes quakers)
aug 27, 2025, 8:49 pm • 2 0 • view
It ALSO made property forfeitable, nullified marriages, delegitimized children, made inheritance impossible, caused whippings & branding, & deprived children & widows access to the only social services that existed (the parish). AKA why my Quaker many greats-grandmother immigrated _alone_ to Philly.
aug 27, 2025, 8:58 pm • 5 0 • view
are you sure it's elizabethan and not south african
aug 27, 2025, 1:52 pm • 22 0 • view
Hey, it produced Shakespeare 🤷
aug 27, 2025, 8:38 pm • 0 0 • view
There is no better way to make atheists than force people to attend church lol
aug 28, 2025, 5:37 am • 11 1 • view
If you read the entire Bible from cover to cover, both the Old Testament and the New, I fail to see how you can be anything other than a atheist.
aug 28, 2025, 9:19 am • 7 1 • view
The likelihood Yarvin has been at a religious service as an adult is basically zero
aug 27, 2025, 7:51 pm • 17 0 • view
But he is a Libertarian living an Atomized Life, so he has no need of that type of traditional social control.
aug 27, 2025, 8:13 pm • 8 1 • view
He doesn't practice what he preaches, because he's not the sort of person he's preaching to. (When Bob Dobbs said that, it was funny. With Yarvin it's terrifying, because he's too stupid to understand why it's funny.)
aug 28, 2025, 10:46 am • 2 0 • view
Freedom!
aug 27, 2025, 1:33 pm • 2 0 • view
fond memories of AP History
aug 27, 2025, 4:24 pm • 5 0 • view
LOL, the idea that the Tudor views on the correct religion is somehow arcane knowledge. They called it the Church of England, FFS.
aug 27, 2025, 9:12 pm • 5 0 • view
Tudor England of course famous for its lack of bloody religious conflict, bringinng that shit over here would be great, no doubt.
aug 27, 2025, 9:27 pm • 5 0 • view
It was all just a few campfires that got out of hand.
aug 28, 2025, 12:05 am • 1 0 • view
True story, I met a woman last week named Mary Elizabeth. Her casual self-intro was "people think I'm a virgin but I'm really just spiritually conflicted," which told me we'll likely be friends for a long time.
aug 28, 2025, 10:53 am • 2 0 • view
Literally why my ancestors came to this country in the 1700's with a land grant from William Penn. Religious persecution in Germany forced a lot of Anabaptists to Pennsylvania.
aug 27, 2025, 1:44 pm • 33 1 • view
I do not have a word for how deeply incurious and ignorant this f***ing (word I don't have) is.
aug 28, 2025, 10:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Mandatory chapel! It’ll be just like school days
aug 27, 2025, 4:10 pm • 5 0 • view
When I was looking at (US) colleges in the late 70s there were still a surprising number that (on paper) had mandatory chapel attendance. e.g. UVA, which was on my initial long-shot list.
aug 27, 2025, 7:02 pm • 4 0 • view
A Southern tradition I know UVA is a bit different but surprised a state school had it that late though
aug 27, 2025, 7:31 pm • 0 0 • view
That’s one of the things that forced the Pilgrims’ hand in fleeing England. These morons claim to be patriots yet know jack about American history.
aug 28, 2025, 2:51 am • 9 0 • view
Is Yarvin even religious?
aug 27, 2025, 2:49 pm • 10 0 • view
no, he just thinks christianity is a very good system for controlling people. in that segment he says that the "modern" people will be living atheistic individualized lives, but the 2nd class, non-modern people will be controlled by a church
aug 27, 2025, 8:53 pm • 4 0 • view
As religious as Musk or Trump, I bet. Which is to say - not really, but he'll use religion as a shield as much as possible.
aug 27, 2025, 7:10 pm • 0 0 • view
No, he's just a gutter racist who loves anything that reimplements slavery.
aug 27, 2025, 6:22 pm • 17 0 • view
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
aug 28, 2025, 10:47 am • 0 0 • view
No... he is a self important douchebag that appeals to dumb people who, because of their innate stupidity, think he is smart. He has read a couple of books (without understanding them) and spouts selected passages without context to look intelligent.
aug 27, 2025, 3:31 pm • 22 0 • view
To ice the cake he adopts a dismissive, nasal tone when making his proclamations and combines it with a bored affect to underline how tedious it is to have to explain things to simple minded people.
aug 27, 2025, 3:31 pm • 16 0 • view
Anyone who went to University during the 60-70s will recognize this type of asshole. They could be found in the cafeteria surround by a bevy of airheads who would hang on their every word.
aug 27, 2025, 3:31 pm • 12 0 • view
Shit, I went to college in the 2000s and I knew this exact dude
aug 27, 2025, 6:44 pm • 6 0 • view
Probably. I used the 60-70s reference as it related to my own experience. I guess douchebaggery is eternal.
aug 28, 2025, 1:30 pm • 1 0 • view
My version of this dude openly told me once, in the hall waiting for a class to end, that if the government collapses the first thing he'd do is get his AK and start rounding up slaves. "The only thing morally wrong with American slavery was that it was a single race" he said.
aug 28, 2025, 2:05 pm • 0 0 • view
But he’s going to sleep in on sun until they make him go?
aug 27, 2025, 7:11 pm • 0 0 • view
Literally the thing the Puritans were so mad about
aug 27, 2025, 7:50 am • 117 1 • view
reading about Lexington & Concord, instinctively rooting for the redcoats
aug 27, 2025, 1:18 pm • 17 1 • view
What the Pilgrims came to America to escape from, lol!
aug 27, 2025, 1:18 pm • 59 2 • view
The Puritans (of whom the Pilgrins were a subset) were pissed they couldn't impose their particular brand of theocracy on everyone else, and went to Massachussetts so they could.
aug 29, 2025, 1:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Rhode Island was founded because they had serious problems with Roger Williams's unfathomable notion that civil magistrates shouldn't be enforcing religious mandates, and basically exiled him.
aug 29, 2025, 1:32 pm • 0 0 • view
The Pilgrims came to America from Leiden in the Netherlands to escape England's mandatory church attendance?
aug 27, 2025, 2:51 pm • 3 0 • view
Yes, because they didn't want to be Dutch. They wanted to be English and free to practice their faith.
aug 27, 2025, 2:53 pm • 15 0 • view
Pretty much, yes. They were Nonconformists who didn't want to attend services in the Established church, which they considered too popish.
aug 27, 2025, 3:04 pm • 14 0 • view
Why were they in the Netherlands
aug 27, 2025, 2:58 pm • 30 0 • view
I am worri3d about the puritans, and how they ended up in the netherlands
aug 28, 2025, 7:55 am • 1 0 • view
Much as I do not want to hand it to the Puritans, they were right to be mad about that.
aug 27, 2025, 5:49 pm • 5 0 • view
I wouldn't use Elizabethan England as a model of good government, regardless of how good the poetry and theater were. The Catholics also mandated church attendance. See also tithing. And look beyond the 1620s to what came next. The Puritans were active in Shakespeare's time, too.
aug 28, 2025, 1:17 am • 2 0 • view
he invented the poor laws?
aug 27, 2025, 5:46 am • 210 0 • view
No, he reinvented religious slavery. When the New World was colonized, the natives were made slaves under the argument that they would be Catholicized by the church and thereby get their souls saved. So their status as slaves in this life was worthy because it would save their immortal soul.
aug 27, 2025, 3:56 pm • 35 3 • view
And Poor Houses.
aug 27, 2025, 3:03 pm • 65 0 • view
Moronic “There are 2 types of Americans.” These people are unserious.
aug 27, 2025, 2:10 pm • 22 0 • view