Yeah, it’s definitely time to get this back into the discussion. Labour has just accepted the ‘Europe bad’ framing and its 🙄🙄
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Labour’s main problem IMHO is the dramatic contraction of the UK economy post-Brexit. Unless they can get the economy moving again then they can’t do a lot of other things, and taxes will have to rise again. Europe is the main source of potential growth.
jul 21, 2025, 10:45 am • 2 0 • view
It's just incredible how much of the last ~15 years of UK politics has been dictated by fear of that toad-faced twat Farage. And it's still happening. Closer ties with Europe is just patently obviously the single best thing we could do for the economy and yet... here we are. 🤷🏼♂️
jul 21, 2025, 10:52 am • 2 0 • view
Indeed. Astonishing how much prominence he and the small (but vocal) minority he represents have been given in the national debate. But then the right-wing press, and latterly broadcast media, have been poisoning the well for decades.
jul 21, 2025, 10:58 am • 1 0 • view
It’s also just a theme across the world - the right sets the terms of the debate and the left bends over backwards to accept the framing. Then you get people like Ardern and AOC who have clear goals and values and people resonate to it, but no one learns the lesson. Drives me mad
jul 21, 2025, 11:18 am • 5 1 • view
So yeah, someone saying out loud that EU membership of some kind is simply a good idea would be nice
jul 21, 2025, 11:19 am • 2 0 • view
Yep. What’s up with that?
jul 21, 2025, 12:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Media controlled by right-wing old men who don't like paying taxes.
jul 21, 2025, 12:07 pm • 3 0 • view
I mean yes, but also I feel like this is tapping some value in left wing politics. Like, they’re trying to make sure people feel heard and it’s turned into not being forceful enough to control the narrative
jul 21, 2025, 12:38 pm • 2 0 • view
But maybe it is just Fox News etc. Definitely an option
jul 21, 2025, 12:39 pm • 0 0 • view
Bingo!
jul 21, 2025, 12:08 pm • 1 0 • view
Public opinion is now in favour of rejoining, but only under the original terms which includes an opt-out from the euro, annual rebate, etc. That’s not going to happen. And rejoining the SM brings with it many things to which Brexiteers object: freedom of movement, regulatory alignment, etc…
jul 21, 2025, 10:56 am • 3 0 • view
Economically it’s a no-brainer, but politically still unacceptable as it would fracture Labour’s electoral coalition (though that seems to be largely dissolved now anyway). Skilful leadership would be required to steer people back towards the EU, which sadly I can’t see happening any soon.
jul 21, 2025, 10:56 am • 1 0 • view