i think that neither schumer nor jeffries nor gillibrand deserve reelection, much less leadership positions, and their entire lives should be filled with as much humiliation as possible until they leave

Great, so prove you can get them thrown out instead of just whining about it on social media.

Cool. How does this translate into a reflection of NYC Dems not embracing the Mamdani campaign outside of your acknowledged grievances and dislike of those politicians? It doesn't. You have to ignore a million other, more relevant endorsements to bring it up, which is why it's bad faith.

do you think that a choice between a muslim, a rapist, and a felon should be difficult, because it certainly is for the vicious bigots in charge of the minority party in the legislature

just serious pissant behavior to wail "vote blue no matter who" when it's a moderate and then not even demand the same thing from fucking leadership when it's a guy running against a Democrat who threw the entire fucking House of Representatives to the Republicans.

clear cuomo is trump-bought amenable at unearned best and adams is BLATANTLY and PUBLICLY trump-bought too so....

I am, in fact, demanding every serious Dem in NYC vote for Mamdani instead of the sex pest, the corrupt former cop, and whatever festering wound of a soul the GOP is running. I'm just not attaching that to grievances with federal Dems for clout. Pay attention.

accountability is for voters, you see. our leaders are above it. bootlicker behavior.

Clout-seeker behavior.

"These two Dems haven't endorsed Mamdani on MY timeline, so I will ignore every other Dem who was endorsed Mamdani to foam at the mouth about how much I hate Dems." Fucking wrecker-ass bullshit. I'm going to bed; fuck off and have a good night.

the fact that powerful democrats in congressional leadership are clearly interested in seeing their party’s nominee lose and are doing what they can to make that happen is a huge problem even if in this particular case they are likely to fail

And if/when they do endorse Mamdani, will you update your priors? I'm personally guessing you and everyone else harping on this will not reflect, even for a minute, on if your whole internal model of Dems that you use to bash on them for internet clout is maybe wrong.

it would depend on the nature and context of that endorsement! if they begrudgingly offer a tepid endorsement in the face of pressure, no. if they enthusiastically endorse, yes. priors get updated when you see new information that’s inconsistent with them.

By "these two Dems" you mean the party's Senate and House leaders, who are both from NY? Because that seems like a pretty big deal, to me.

Dude. Why are they waiting? Other local Dems have done this. What is the possible justification for waiting this long? Particularly now that it's a whole thing and has been for weeks. They could simply defuse it all by issuing a press release. They have chosen not to. That tells.

Dude, for all we know they have endorsements that will be rolled out to maximize the advantage closer to the election, like a competent campaign would do (and the Mamdani campaign is clearly competent). To my earlier point, you don't care about the NYC mayoral race; you care about your grievances.

right. for all we know, their staffers are making threats and the head of the DSCC is going on drunken Nazi rants on the fucking radio because they have a secret plan to endorse him. i am not going to treat this as though you actually believe it, because you don't.

If those endorsements happen, will any of these priors be updated?

Well, this thread has turned into a block party for me!

you are asking me whether i will believe that the corrupt head of the DSCC got blind drunk and slandered him on the radio because she had a secret plan to endorse him? no i don't think i will believe that

Let me be more specific since you're in one of those Moods you seem to be fond of where you pretend you don't understand things: If the endorsements from leadership (Schumer and Jeffries) happen, will you ever question the priors you have that leadership is acting against Mamdani?

As someone who votes here, mine won't. I'm very much a liberal Dem, not a leftist. But NY Congressional and Senate Dems have become increasingly harder to reach out to over the years. If they are primaried, and there are acceptable candidates, I shall vote against the incumbents.

Gillibrand has been excruciatingly disappointing. I will allow that, if I feel they redeem themselves through their actions, I shall vote for them.

Another question while I'm at it: do you genuinely believe that the people most loudly supporting Mamdani won't immediately turn on him just like they turned on AOC for various bullshit reasons?

I think you’re massively overestimating the amount of “fuck aoc” in response to idk her israel vote, how much of that sentiment was from dsa, and of that how much weight should be given amid mostly praise before and since like 80% of nyc-dsa voted to endorsed aoc just like they have every election

p. sure they already are

Final questions: do you genuinely not get that Mamdani won because he *didn't* constantly shit on Democrats? Do you have any actual plan to accomplish these goals, or is this another example of "I raised money one time, stop asking me to do anything other than clout chase"?

Obama enters the chat. Leftists melt down.

they've literally been asked and they said no

It's fuckin' exhausting and it never actually leads to any planning or discussion of who to replace them with. There's zero strategy, zero planning, *just more whining*.

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