Can anyone think of a good historical analogy for this Trump-Musk thing we have going on?
Can anyone think of a good historical analogy for this Trump-Musk thing we have going on?
Sorry, but all that leaps to mind is "Dumb and Dumber."
Maybe Canada is too provincial and this split too recent to be "historical", but Brian Mulroney and Lucien Bouchard might be a good analogy, just way less stupid. www.cbc.ca/news/politic...
Not a perfect fit, but the vibes seem very much Pulcher vs Milo to me…
Vladimir Putin vs. Mikhail Khodorkovsky (Russia, early 2000s). Khodorkovsky was Russia's richest man at the time.
2nd grade when a kid that could throw the ball further than our "all time quarterback" at recess.
You and Ben!
The BMW and Nazi relationship seems kinda similar… right down to the nationalistic advertising.
Henry II and Thomas Becket?
Jefferson and Adams with social media?
Drake Parker and Josh Peck, I'm sure.
Rasputin. Only kind of kidding...
I was going to write it if you hadn’t.
@iwriteok.bsky.social Compared Musk to this guy and I think he nailed it pretty well. We’re at the part where they’ve been sidelined after getting their guy into office and are no longer useful to the party. youtu.be/VXB9VylsL3Q?...
Putin’s chef comes to mind but it’s not all that histoica. Historically the Elon role would have been killed on the way out so not many surviving examples?
trotsky vs stalin? little more actual “stabby” than proverbial, in the end.
not political, but always dug the mike ditka - buddy ryan internal rivalry
Not there yet, but could head toward Henry IV & Pope Gregory VII.
Trump–Musk is Hearst–Ford or Berlusconi–De Benedetti: power duos reshaping politics + media. -from ai
It's Kendrick Lamar vs Drake - but in this case both sides are Drake.
Wait, hold on. You're an old-school punk guy, right? It's the Dead Kennedy's vs nazi punks, but both sides are the nazi punks.
A more toxic and public Rasputin/Royal Family?
Well earlier this year @iwriteok.bsky.social dubbed Alfred Hugenberg the Elon of Weimar Germany.
No, but I like to think of them as split mayonnaise: unpleasantly oily, incompetent and reeks of egg.
My immediate thought was Pinky and the Brain, though I don't think that qualifies as historical.
I think we're bordering on Stalin/Trotsky.
while yes, I fear Trotsky was way too competent and therefore this fails for either of them.
Julius Caesar and Marcus Licinius Crassus
Hearst and FDR?
"I didn't get a harumph outta this guy"
Omg this
Stalin and Trotsky but played by Laurel and Hardy
But I think we are over dramatizing things and Teddy's Bull Moose Party is closest.
Something with Popes and Medicis, perhaps.
Having listened repeatedly to your series on the fall of the Roman republic. It gives real Crassus/Caesar vibes. Throw in the oligarchy voting to end the country over becoming a tiny bit poorer. Witnessing the fall of an empire live
I think Caesar seems like a more competent "everything" compared to Trump, but there is a certain thing to the way Crassus thought of his bought fame and power in comparison to Elon indeed.
Everybody is saying Caesar/Crassus and I agree in terms of station, wealth, and pride...but good lord these characters are so much more shallow and tacky. Trashy reality tv levels of camp. We have Caligula and his horse. The horse seems to be trying to throw the fella.
I think it happened in a video game. I was playing that I quit shortly thereafter for being so stupid and unrealistic?
So much of the past 12 months, if it happened in a video game, I would have thrown the controller and said the writers needed to make it more believable.
Pompey and Milo - Pompey may have the power but Milo is the one who facilitates the environment to manipulate support
Bull Moose party?
It is difficult to find a comparison that covers the love/hate, wealth, graft, and stupidity of it all. Your interview with Elon was revealing. His magpie affinity with the Nazi’s shiny and ineffective weapons programs fits his persona nicely. His friend/employee was far more interesting.
That's what we come to you for! IDK, a warped version of Father Coughlin and FDR?
Don't know about the analogy, but the world feels like it is manipulated in the biggest"divide and conquer" ever. Did someone drop AI tech/Social media on Earth? Are the mongols lurking just beyond sight in space?
Crassus falling out with the first triumvirate? It's not exact, but it rhymes
Nero having a horse as a top advisor, and then the horse kicking him in the head?
Would it be Crassus, as the wealth and Caesar the benefactor?
I thought the same, though more the split between Crassus and Pompeii over who would get the command over the expedition to... I forget where.