The argument that Mark Carney is engaged in a complex 4D chess game with Trump and so we need to relax and trust the plan would have more credibility had he not wrapped himself in the flag and filmed “Elbows Up” ads with Mike Myers Making concessions to Trump is what Carney said Poilievre would do
Elbows up cannot mean we must insist on having everything our way just like 47 insists on everything his way. Until we see what deal we strike with the US, and there might not even be a deal, I wouldn't prejudge whether the government has made a fatal error.
Glad to see still some sane rational people here.
Man coalitioned with the Tories to pass his pipeline bill Apparently the 4D chess move is to do the Stephen Harper thing, but for the Libs joining the Reform party this time instead of the Tories
💯 By lobbying for an agreement at all costs, Carney is essentially normalizing an ecocidal, genocidal, authoritarian regime. Would you be caught dead playing nice with Putin? No. So why are we still pretending ANY of this is sane? The free world desperately needs a reality check. #CdnPoli
Threats of annexation are not sane either. If negotiations stall the ogre while we get our act together that's the best course for now.
Thecthreat isn't that immediate, and a bad course is never the best.
kkkanada not only supports that style of regime, it is also that kind of regime. Same racism, same genocides, same environmental destruction for the same profits.
he not ‘normalizing’ he’s trying not to get the leopard to eat our faces Wise up
He took the tech-bro's interests off the table who, because of crypto, are great influencers on Trump. That's important. Maybe its the win for the US that helps us with autos and/or steel and/or aluminum. The DST can always be re-imposed. Potash, energy, patents, defense + more yet to be played.
Do you have any idea what has really happen? Poilievre is full of himself. Take a look what has happen, in this moment with trade deals Canada vs USA, then tell me about his credibility. Right now USA has lost hundreds of billions in trade deals, where did they go?
Anyone who thinks the was a concession doesnt understand the history of the particular legislation. It was doomed from the get go. JT was trying to look like a tough guy but the bill was seriously flawed. It will re surface as a multi country legislation in a couple of years .
Trump has stated clearly he is opposed to any global tax deal.👇 He is using trade negotiations to bully individual countries one by one. Carney won the election by claiming our country would not be bullied. He lied.
Source: taxfoundation.org/data/all/eu/...
so so what if he hadn’t cared if this worked or not & Ottawa just wanted to ice the puck while they ran other deals everywhere else What if: Ottawa has zero intention of doing anything with a fucking #Nazi #madman but keep the balls in the air so the #GOP doesn’t break anything we need too badly?
How was our bill different from those in the countries that have implemented DSTs?
Good question. Here's a link on a detailed article.https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/eu/digital-tax-europe-2024/
As well this is an excerpt from that article" These DSTs were generally considered to be interim measures until an agreement could be reached at the OECD level. If such an agreement is reached, it will be important to monitor how countries change or repeal their DSTs"
Sometimes just read the article for description and keep eyes open for exaggeration rather than make a mountain about one persons opinion of bias.
FYI. not the end of the world. At least the description of tax was accurate. mediabiasfactcheck.com/tax-foundati...
I hear you. But did you even read the article? I was just trying to provide info. Best to let your fingers do the searching and then u can select your own source. The tax will be most successful with co ordinated in a multi county approach and that of course takes time.
Like many pieces of legislation the PM JT introduced I suspect the PM MC will modify or cancel. E.G. the ICE vehicle termination for 2035. Guaranteed to be changed, modified or deleted.
Still waiting for Carney to explain how he will meet then exceed our GHG reductions targets.
But the US seems to be the reason the OECD Pillars won't be agreed to. In the mean time, it appears DSTs (or something similar) should not be an issue. taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/2025-05/A-Primer-on-Digital-Service-Taxes-and-the-OECD's-Two-Pillars.pdf
So amend the legislation. Don't take shortcuts by disrespecting the Parliament that passed it. Sorry, I'm seeing too much reckless.
If it was that easy it would have been done. The international standard for this taxation is just being agreed upon in the EU. No point in have a taxation type if it cant be enforced or collected. There are volumes of info on line about this. I encourage every one to look it up and learn.
Spot fucking on
Accurate
To play chess, regardless of how many dimensions, two players are required who know the game and understand the rules and agree to abide by those rules. Trump doesn’t care about rules. And he can’t play chess. I doubt he could handle connect-4, and I think my inbred cat could beat him at go fish.
& then #ilDpuchey would go bomb somebody…
See, I'm saying. We just licked a pig's boot
no We didn’t We iced the puck & nobody saw any tanks, drones or bombs At this point, that’s chalking a W
If you give up something you don't want to get something you do, is it a concession?
I used to teach Trade negotiating at a uni college in Nanjing it amazes me how dumb #Canadians are
Or maybe willfully voting for a neoliberal private businessman to take on a much more right-wing businessman wasn't the smart 4D chess move electorialists in Canada thought it was. Pitting capitalist against capitalist via electorialism is an illogical paradox that is always going to end poorly.
Negotiating is not merely conceding.
Yes, it was. This is how Elizabeth May is going to become Prime Minister. If we survive long enough.
This was a stupid levy to begin with. Too complex to enforce.
You don’t need 4D chess to outsmart a toddler. But you also don’t rip the toy out of their hand when they’re having a tantrum in the restaurant. Carney’s credibility depends on bigger outcomes than the latest transaction w the US. Let’s navigate 200 yards in front of the car vs staring at the curb.
Actually ya you do remove that toy and remove said toddler from said space. That is what you do. You dont give in to the child and the bad behavior. Cmon people.
Sure if you can remove the toddler from the space. Not applicable to this situation.
He removed himself. He threw the damn toy and said it rubbish. We capitulated and brought him back in the room. To play with the toy he hates. Cmon.
He's never negotiated anything, and it shows. Any union negoitiator could tell you that you don't offer a 10% cut for nothing more than a pat on the head. Carney just made Canada look weak and desperate, when we are neither. Supply management will be the next giveaway, make no mistake.
To everyone dumping on Carney. He is an int'ly respected, & connected, economist. He, & his team, are: #1 More experienced than us #2 Smarter than us #3 Have a long term plan past today #4 Are closer to the situation than we are. Let them do the job we elected him for and quit complaining.
Perhaps. And maybe the fact it's doubtful Trump can play any type of chess.
Markets think differently. Last NAFTA negotiation met with the same skepticism. Skeptics were proven wrong and they will be again.
Someone recently posted a graph of the German stock market leading into WW2. Their markets improved with war.... The country was all but obliterated as a result.
Thanks for posting this Luke. It's helped me block a bunch of liberal cucks
So TELL US how YOU would do a better job #negotiating with a #ClownCar of #Nazis, #sadists, #cultists, creeped out #Kompromat extortion targets, a bribe-taking #Cabinet | #Senate | #SupremeCourt I’m dying to see your guidelines on how our *best professionals in the #World are all wrong* penguins bro
They are #BlackBagging & snatching people off the streets & bombing #Iran Tell us, pray tell about how *YOU would manage better* with these drugged-out #sadists, #racists & #fuckknuckles What other work have you done in #negotiation? #Nazis with the power of the #Pentagon & #18intelligenceServices
Trump blasted out what HE believes was a BIG win. Then Trump went golfing. Meanwhile negotiations involving innumerable moving pieces are able to move forward. And meanwhile, Canada is in the midst of negotiations with international partners on the exact same thing. And, no, we are not in the room.
Is he a skilled negotiator? Sure. But He's busy shoring up Canada's oligopolies. When a person tells you who they are, believe it. ##cdnpoli
No corporations, no jobs, no income tax, no social programs, no infrastructure.
So…..do we invest in declining industries, w/ asset building or acquisition, where the ROI will be poor? Or do we try to get ahead of where the puck is going, & where the greatest ROI rests: cleantech, green energy, tech, agritech, life/health sciences, AI & robotics. It’s the single biggest
disconnect for me wrt PM Carney’s current blueprint. And yes, I know stuff as this where I built a successful corp career working in that world
But also, do we recognize and respect the limits of the planet? Do we congratulate ourselves for building everything in wood without any awareness of how forests support human life and how we need to leave some of them intact? Our ecomony needs to start with this respect. #cdnpoli
That’s where I would have invested federal $s - in that respect, Trudeau was a far better prognosticator - perhaps a few yrs early, but this is the Kathleen Wynne commitment & foresight all over again. Only this time a conservative-minded banker is reversing the gains we’ve made , vs Ford. I’ve
never believed the market solutions for climate crises would land - without a hard legislative mandate, Cdn oil/gas will never voluntarily invest in eliminating carbon emissions, & Cdn banks will stop funding oil/gas expansion. That’s my largest disconnect from PM Carney - & the evidence is all
around him, in his efforts to bring global banking system along on a volunteer basis on carbon mitigation. Or Cdn corps beginning to add sustainability, public recognition & commitment to Net Zero, in their quarterly and annual reporting using metrics.
My field is design within the construction industry. We have all the tech we need and it's barely more expensive. And buildings last 100 years and we need to start ASAP. But instead we the message that pipelines are part of a green future. I call BS on Carney. We don't need 4d chess. #cdnpoli
Fully agree with you statement. Ironically, I began my corp career eons ago, in construction materials, durable goods manufacturing. For NA or global brands. Newer nat’l building codes need to be better mandated & implemented. Reward construction/developer/construction material entities which opt
FOR sustainable design, construction. Double down on the reward for sustainable communities newly financed, developed & constructed. LPC Govt, under Carney, has been a disappointment in where their emphasis lies. Be a leader, not a follower of declining industries
BS. All corporations are not alike. Play monopoly every now and then. The rules of capitalism matter. #cdnpoli
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For those still trying to call this a "negotiation tactic," Carney has already made multiple concessions to Trump (border/fentanyl, Bill C2, Idiot Dome, NATO spending,) and gotten nothing in return. Trump is a malignant narcissist who takes from others, and gives nothing back.
& your point is? Trump is crazy so, you’re expecting anything else that #sadist bombed #Iran He’s literally a hostage taking on the World’s democracies & you wanna get froggy? The #US #Empire destroys countries
Oh for crying out loud, it was a god dam card and that's it.
100 percent disagree. We can still not travel, buy their shit, and just buy ours and allies. We are not privy to actual discussions, plus there are a group of nations drafting a similar tax that we can become a part of. Carney is pushing harder buttons. Also, Poilievre was against the tax
Get your head out of your ass
Pardon?
Apologies, I will be more clear. You’re wrong, get your head out of your ass.
Thanks for clarifying Charlie. Rudeness should never be one’s only redeeming quality.
Theatrics is common when it comes to Trump. He probably respects it, he thinks throwing sideways insults is fun.
Truths: Carney is a trickle down neoliberal who values markets that don't value people. Carney is still better than Jordan Peterson bro Poilievre any day of the week.
We will see if jobs and social programs stay funded.
I get the point and the DST thing seems to be a screw up, but there are vast chasms between good politics in an election (the ads), a climb down to keep a party at the table, and whatever a final deal looks like.
I miss PMJT and Jagmeet; those two weren’t afraid of their convictions.
aw What a shame nobody ever had JT’s back do he COULD go out in limbs It wasn’t until he didn’t have to listen to the assholes backstabbers, bitching & meaning & bullshit that he really got going
No accusations without confessions eh? Almost kind of explains voter apathy. You can vote for whomever you please, and once they gain office, they won't be who you voted for anymore. Good luck everyone.
Bravo 👏🏿 well said ! 💯! Carney has done zero to earn any credibility or trust.
yes he did If you haven figured that out already, you aren’t comprehending what is going on or what kind of danger Canada is in
There haven't been concessions as yet. I am disappointed about it it but let's wait and see.
Suggest you read the news. Carney reneged on taxing the tech giants. It's also stated he's trying to find a way to tax them by working with allies on a joint tax manoeuvre. If that works, it will be an end run around Trump. We're in wait and see mode.
No He #negotiated, & let the #TechBros #leverage the #GOP
Oh, I understand, but I want to believe there is a purpose.
OK, Chatbot.
Exactly. This is the opposite of "Elbows Up." His behaviour reminds me more of Harper. I think this is how he would have acted.
whut no
