The key difference between the left and the centre is that (many) liberals philosophically reject the idea that democratic rights extend into the workplace They imagine that “democracy” is something you do once every four years at a ballot box, then you return to a workplace run like a dictatorship
What?
youtu.be/bLqKXrlD1TU?...
Also polling is showing that not only do most Liberals support the striking air workers but the majority from all parties support them so I’m not really sure your argument holds any water.
The liberal political class actively hates the people that support it
Poll support is meaningless if it doesn't translate into a ballot box threat to the Liberal Party. As long as the party can rely on people voting for it regardless of how it acts, then the party has no incentive to take the opinions of its supporters into account when making decisions.
Are talking big “L” or small “l” ? But even still I’d tend to disagree.
You’re so off on this comment.
Do Bluesky’s rules allow me to say that this post is horseshit?
You're gonna get a lot of libs saying they support organized labour (as long as it doesn't impact their lives in any way whatsoever).
Why are you people so ignorant?
Fuck every single last one of them they are making less than the Federal Minimum wage every month.
Not to mention the baked in assumption that the family is also run like a dictatorship. They like the idea of democracy as long as it doesn't rock the boat, challenge the assumptions they were raised with, or require real and continual effort
And the difference between both and Conservatives is that Conservatives think that people’s rights and freedoms don’t include workplaces. Except for the right to get sick and die from preventable diseases.
100%. They wouldn't see it or say it that way. They'd say something about how business owners are taking all the risk, or that you can switch jobs any time, or that you can just reason with the person who has that much power over you, and they won't even mention unions.
The workplace has never been democratic because the outcome is not help everyone but to enrich the few at the expense of the workers. Greed is a disease.
Ouf. That is quite a theory. Les gens qui veulent le bien au petit monde n'ont pas cette idée aucune telle idée de ce qui décide leur sort.
A democratic workplace is one where performance is irrelevant. You have a point.
If you're a worker-owner in a democratized workplace performance is extremely relevant because you're profit-sharing and the better your company does the more money you take home. Performance is irrelevant under hourly/salary labor without dividends.
There is no "center" and I wish people would cease using this term which in fact is a moving post depending on what the right is doing. Jagmeet Singh abandoned support for the carbon tax, copying Poilievre's lies about it. David Eby's NDP is more right wing than the Justin Trudeau-era Liberals.
Centrism is the defense of the status quo, and the status quo is regressive conservatism that leads to fascism in times of (often self inflicted) crisis. Centrists are always on the side of the oppressors
Go away, meaningless mumble monkey.
That being said, pretty banger insult. Love it
What? I'm on your side. Am I being misunderstood as supporting centrism or something? I agree that there is no "centre" in the sense that centrists are in support of the right wing status quo
www.politico.com/news/magazin... ....like, literally.
My reply had nothing to do with swing voters but her theory they don't exist didn't apply in Canada's last election because many conservatives voted Liberal after Trump was elected and began threatening to annex us. Canada's conservative party is MAGA.
as i centrist, i categorically reject your claim. for me, a key difference between the left and the centre is that the left insists that govt services be provided by the public sector and by unionized workers. even services such as cafeterias, laundry, issuing of licenses, alcohol sales
Why should those services only be private?
i didn't say they should only be private. saying that they should not only be govt-run. a mixture of both, based on where it most makes sense
Why should services like food or laundry be for profit when those things are necessary for people to live? Shouldn't that be a responsibility of the government as an investment in its own citizens? If there were no means testing, I could see private businesses for nonessentials, but that's later.
He's not going to reply because he thinks "human rights" don't exist and are stupid
That's quite the reply that has nothing to do with my post
i'd love to know how "human rights" come into the equation
There are many essential services delivered by the private sector, including Highway and bridge maintenance, many medical and dental services, and even running the air navigation system. would you have the government running all grocery stores?
Those being private instead of governmental services means contractors make multiples of what government employees would make, enriching private people instead of building local talent in the community. None of what you listed is good being private.
basically, you think the govt should supply most services, amirite? i completely disagree you're presuming that the govt can run things more effectively than the private sector. the GoC privatized the air navigation system, NAV CANADA runs it cheaper and safer
Nav Canada is private, but it’s also not-for-profit. Unlike most private companies, their primary goal is not to please share holders. Private medical clinics in BC have been shown to be higher cost with less efficiency due to profit prioritization over client wellbeing.
That is true. However, my main point is that saying that the private sector cannot run things as well or as cheaply as or as safely as the public sector is an overly simplistic generalization that is not always true
Why?
why what?
Why should public services be delivered via private, for-profit enterprises? Aren't BUSINESS MEN supposed to be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Why would a BUSINESS MAN want to rely on corporate welfare?
you're not making any sense
Because you don't understand the topic at hand.
Lol, centerists love just making shit up I've heard tons of leftist talk about single payer, and mandatory parental leave, and unions. ... never heard of whatever bullshit you're talking about. Literally, no a single policy has ever outlined this
great... all the anonymous socialists piling on me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fair enough, I suppose that's another difference
Here’s another: left & right-wingers take a ‘winner takes all’ approach to policy, b/c their ideology tells them they’re right. The result is constant conflict. Centrists accept that a sizeable # of right-wing folks will never agree w/ leftists & vice versa, so seek compromise. For better or worse.
Funny, the centerist govt of last year had to have their teeth pulled to pass leftist policy that was popular with voters across the political spectrum.
great, now the anonymous hardcore socialists/communists are coming out of the woodwork to push their narrative ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
or seek the best solution which means sometimes agreeing with those on the right and sometimes with those on the left
I think what we need is a better arbitration system perhaps. I don't see why any reasonable arbiter wouldn't take "poverty wages & unpaid work" seriously if it's a fair system. FTR, I have several neighbors who are FAs with a different carrier, and they seem happy with the compensation & benefits.