Even if you believe Carney is playing 4D chess or have some esoteric take on tariffs, the fact is Carney misled voters Carney said one thing, then he did the exact opposite And not just on some obscure policy – on the single biggest issue in one of the biggest elections in Canadian history
Elbows up to winning the Lady Byng trophy
Lie? What lie? He said he'd get us the best possible deal. We've diversified trade to bypass the US. That is ongoing. It will take years to get rid of some US trade without bankrupting many Canadians. That is a reality.
Misleading voters is a Liberal tradition now. #ERRE #ElbowsUp #cdnpoli
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And most frustratingly, both of those lies will get us a Conservative majority government with PP as PM by the end of this effing terrible year! #cdnpoli
Hooray4noodles saw this and blocked me. Carney-stan. Like Suedoo and gisellaperl too.
You are an anti Canadian idiot, very ignorant of the seriousness of the moment.
Stopped following you, you aren't very kind, and your analysis of the situation is bad.
That is the plan. Liberals will be pretend opposition just like Democrats are in the US. Trump's authoritarianism is a global movement.
and what would pp have done differently? Even Alberta's Queen of measles agrees with Carney.
PP would be worse, faster. Danielle Smith agreeing with someone is a condemnation if anything.
Worse faster!?!? So this stupidity one month earlier bwahahaha LPC brain is wild.
One month? That's generous. I don't think PP would have waited a month to sell-out.
To be clear your defence of PM Capitulation is that he waited 5 months to sell out his country rather than 1 month? The fuck is wrong with you?
I think you may be confused. I'm not defending Carney.
No one has been "sold out".
I can tell your a Liberal because you have nothing interesting or useful to add to the conversation.
I can tell *you're* a moron, who only accepts opinions which bolster your own. 🤷♂️ For the record, I'm not beholden to any party at any level. I've voted for each of the "big 3" over the years.
What is your game here? We need Canada to unite and defend against the evil men ruling America and Russia, on our borders and salivating over what we have. It is fucking stupid to be trying to play petty politics right now.
Petty politics to point out when the PM lied? We're supposed to be better than the Americans, not act like them. What Canada unites behind is important, it cannot be sell-outs like Moe and Smith.
If you want unity, help get the Liberals to take Fox News propaganda threatening invasion of the prairie provinces, off Canadians cable and satellite providers with me, instead of saying stupid crap like I'm anti-Canadian.
Tearing down Carney just strokes your own ego at this point, it won't change what he does but it will help FOX news to fracture opinions against him. He needs our full-throated support championing Canadians against the evil in the White House. I can't imaging facing off against that vile thing.
If he wants full-throated support, he needs to act in the best interest of all Canadians.
Are you paid propagandist for Fox news? There was no lie, he is in serious negotiations with a volatile nutjob who would be happy to destroy Canada, happy to start a war so there are no elections, looking to extort money from us. You don't have the inside scoop, what the threats entail.
Where is the lie? Are you referring to ‘elbows up’? Elbows Up is a metaphor for ‘keep your guard up, the other team is playing dirty’. That many of us interpreted it as ‘be aggressive’ only means many of us didn’t understand the metaphor to begin with. PP of course will try to paint Carney as weak &
indecisive. Choose to fall for that shit if you like; it’ll say more about you than about Carney. Importantly, that choice will say more about you than about PP, who deserves all the ire this country can dish out. He’s playing the same despicable game 🇺🇸 republicans have played for 50 yrs: our base…
is a collection of intellectually stunted racists with nil critical thinking skills and a rabid hatred of the left. As long as we’re trashing liberals we can get away with anything. There is no one better to be leading 🇨🇦 thru this existential threat. That he adapts is a feature not a bug.
Adapting to an entirely different approach than what he was elected to do, is a lie.
Things change.
DST situation didn't change until he folded to Trump's tweet.
So you’d prefer what? That he stick to the same strategy, one that’s now clearly going to fail? You’d prefer that he go toe to toe with an adversary that is orders of magnitude more powerful in all the ways that matter, and has proven he has no interest whatsoever in good faith negotiation?
I'd prefer he stick it to the USA. Ending DST, and folding at plenty of opportunities, while also not doing #TrollingBlackouts, is not okay. And now he's not responded to Fox News' threat to invade the Prairies.
So, he knowingly pitched a strategy that was going to fail, or didn't have the foresight to see that it was going to fail, Mr.Master Negotiator; Mr. Masters in Economics. Keep me up to date on the latest copium spin.
What, are you just now learning that smugness is not a strategy? It would be the first time for a Canadian.
WTF are you on about?
"Our strategy is our innate superiority as Canadians" is not a good strategy.
No, our strategy is let's not allow ourselves to descend into the hideous hell Americans are in. But I have to say, I was brought up on movies about heroic American patriots going to any lengths for their great democracy and it is absolutely shocking to see how quickly and easily this has happened.
That tankie dumbass blocked me ages ago.
Dumbass for certain but I had to look up tankie 👍
Whoever it is was blocked or blocked me.
Campaign left, govern right. Every fuckin time. It's okay to hate them for this.
The Liberal copium is at peak levels, and running low. There's no real defense of Team Elbows Up and Pants Down rescinding tariffs when the bulk of their campaign was literally all about retaliatory tariffs.
He misled us again today claiming he is matching the US tariffs. From what I understand he is not matching the US tariffs on steel, aluminum, etc. And at this moment that actually makes me angrier than the possible long term strategic shifts re counter tariffs. Also, Cdn businesses need to buy Cdn
That is clearly not what he said
still negotiations taking place on those. CUSMA compliant goods is what he took tariffs off to match what he’s been able to get consensus on from the Americans. Which is 85 percent of goods traded with US. Now they continue negotiate on auto etc.
When he said he was matching the US tariffs, he didn't differentiate between them. He could increase our tariffs on steel etc to match the US, then bargain to get them removed on both sides. I don't think we've gotten anything from all our concessions.
Well CEOs of auto sector don’t agree with you. Just watching positive CEO on power and politics about continued negotiations.
I don't agree with CEOs of our auto sector on many things.
Sounds like you don’t agree with anybody
Part of the support for Canadian steel and aluminum is that govt. contracts need to buy from Canada. Steel and aluminum were never going to be equal, they are too intertwined and it hurts Canadian businesses who have to buy back products from the US made from Canadian steel and aluminum
The issue for me is Carney glossed over all of the concessions Canada has made by claiming he is matching the US. I rewatched his statement and he does in fact specify matching on cusma-compliant goods but that still leaves a big hole.
The tariffs on steel and aluminum stay. Please learn more about this. The US and Canada dropped the tariffs on the same things. No one misled you. This is a good outcome of negotiations with a fascist idiot who has dementia
In order to maintain the value of his net worth Carney must take a knee to Trump. Lickspittle
Gee I wonder how many Conservative Premiers are whining to drop the tariffs and putting pressure on the govt. I know Moe is and so is Smith and both of them have the ability to add tariffs to oil and potash going south. Both of them have put US liquor back on the shelves.
Canadians voted him in to avoid being led by PP not because of one promise or another.
I'm trying to figure out what the right take on this is. "Yes, to some extent" is where I'm landing. He did hold out for several months, but is now capitulating to the idea that Canada doesn't actually have much power over the U.S. unless potash and nat res. are on the table, which they evidently
aren't. That said, if a deal is close and this is an indicator that we're getting something in a few weeks, it's not a loss and it's not really a misrepresentation. If we don't get anything until this CUSMA renegotiation in 26, then I think you're right.
CUSMA is dead, it will never be renegotiated because Trump likes tariffs. He is a divide and conquer man and will not deal with both Mexico and Canada because then he cannot play one against the other. The best we can hope for is a low tariff rate.
47 imposed tariffs across the board but the US trade court overturned it on May 28, so the US dropped tariffs on CUSMA compliant goods shortly after. Canada didn't until now.
Wonder what Pierre is gonna say about all this...
In the meantime we can continue to sell our data to Americans tax free. We'll crackdown on the border looking for phantom fentanyl. Ordinary Canadians spent more to support local, we cancelled trips, we're willing to sacrifice, meanwhile in boardrooms and at Parliament Hill.
seemed like he is just matching the tariff exemptions. The only person misleading people is you
And what does Canada get in return for this? If I’m trying to sell you a house and I give you the yard before we’ve sat down at the table, I’m not gonna get much money for my house.
He just matched the Tariff exemptions on the agreement, he didn’t give him anything that wasn’t already exempt. Elbows up doesn’t mean, don’t negotiate at all.
and he didn’t remove all the tariffs. Now we can agree that negotiating at all with a madman isnt easy but regrettably he is the President. Negotiating any deal is a back and forth endeavour.
and it was the same exemption that Trump had given. Carney isn’t removing all tariffs
I would argue that negotiating anything with orange boy is most useless but you still have to try
You're right. We put an expert in power to do this work because he understands this job better than any single one of us would. We're not going to hash out a sensitive matter like this on social media, it won't work that way.
I’m repeating myself, I guess. What did we get from him in return for this?
he basically gave him things already exempted. He basically followed the agreement already there. You are making a mountain out of a molehill
And it’s not like it, anything is permanent. For God sake, nothing is when trying to negotiate with Frump.
You mean we dropped them because ehe dropped them after using them to extort concessions out of us. We didn't ask for literally anything in return. Also what deal. There's no deal, you yourself say that further down when saying nothing with trump lasts.
we are are buying or selling a house, they are negotiating an agreement. That means give and take
Carney has collapsed to fascist thugs and you're thrilled. You have zero integrity. You're an embarrassing disgrace. A fucking coward and a quisling.
We get sweet fuck all.
I love conservative tears. I’m gonna be high for a week on these comments. 😉
And who is paying those retaliatory tariffs? I voted for Carney because he has a brain. Is Carney perfect? No. But i dont feel misled, i know all negotiations require adjustments. Not being able to change course is not a sign of strength.. just look at Poilievre, STILL spouting the same slogans
It might be inaccurate to say that he misled voters - in policymaking you can go in fully intending to implement one policy and when circumstances change it becomes clear what's in the best interests of your constituents is to shift to a new policy.
How's it inaccurate to say that then? If I vote for someone to pass x rights and they pivot because of circumstance to pass x restrictions, the reason I voted for them is gone. No circumstance so large exists as to flip on an issue, approach it from a different angle sure, but to flip, no.
I get what you're saying and I agree, but, he also has to think about everybody those tariffs affect and the wider health of Canada as a country, right?
He was elected because people don't like pp.
You mean, the selfish conservative investment banker is a liar?! I'm shocked!!
BS
Eff MC
Let's not forget that the government was toppled after the Supply and Confidence Agreement was torn up by the NDP after the Liberals used 107 to suppress workers' rights during the rail strike. Within weeks Trudeau was gone and we headed for an election. They used 107 on the AC workers last week.
Tried to use 107! Yay CUPE.
I don’t recall hearing him say I will just tariff him right back … what he said was he would take Trump on to protect Canada … build us up and away from reliance on USA… he is doing that … it sure won’t happen overnight… he also said there would be some tough times going ahead to reach that goal …
I must have missed the part on the campaign trail where Carney said "im going to impose permanent tariffs on the US, make no attempts to negotiate, and dig my heels in despite potential long term negative implications for the economy".
🙂 What he promised was to protect 🍁 interests & we elected him, trusting in that. So far I see a good-faith government, working hard in the face of scary global trends & despite having to negotiate with an unpredictable trade partner 🇺🇸. Carney has economic smarts/skills, my bet is he using them.
We have to watch how this plays out. There is no “negotiating” with Trump. He’s a terrorist.
Would more details about specific items be nice, yes. But tariffs like those on dairy are irrelevant, not only has the US never hit those quotas but Canadians won’t buy American dairy. Other things he campaigned on expanding trade ✔️ investment in military ✔️ Investment in infrastructure ✔️
I'm afraid to ask this question, but why don't they?
Regarding American dairy?
Yes
Too much hormones & antibiotics, imo. At least that's how I recall the issue settled out in... the 90s?
Still is which is why puberty ages/hormonal issues have become much more common there
I doubt that. There are too many factors involved to point to one single cause.
Never said it is the only one
The USA refuses to meet the regulatory standards of our 🇨🇦 eggs or dairy. It's really their issue, not ours. The companies want more profit I guess so they never even meet the minimum imports. They have eggs down there you have to cook all the way through or risk getting sick.
I believe the first part, but the second part? Where? Eggs that make you sick if you don't cook them all the way through? That's not true.
It's a marathon, Luke.
Right now I have a hard time believing PM Carnage would win a game of checkers played against my dog.
He sure did. People should have known when #CorporateCarney self declared himself “ the only one to deal with Trump’s tariffs”. This is the sole reason he won. Not only did he fail, the tariff rate was increased. Why would anyone vote for a banker? cc: @mark-carney.bsky.social
You’re jumping on the negative bandwagon pretty quick. I suggest you try and follow the playbook and see what he’s up to because this is an ongoing negotiation with a demented mad man at the other end of the phone line.
We'd be the 51st state of PP got in. So fuck right off with this shit.
you could hold your government accountable to why they were elected, instead you play this weird game of hypotheticals to justify your party line. stand for nothing, fall for anything