The VP was being mocked for over 3 yrs for not having any power or say in the Biden admin. Things were so bad that the press resorted to writing mocking articles entitled “Where is Kamala?” The moment she dares to get close to power, everyone changes the tune and starts blaming her for Biden🙄
I remember... In Europe we (human rights NGOs) were calling our governments to recognize the state of Palestine & its right to self-defence. We didn't expect her to recognize it first since had received AIPAC money and knew there'd be a backlash.
Kamala is in full control of everything about her campaign, opinions, and her future policy. She fucked up. Genocide was more important to her than winning an election. More money than god and she decided to be a Republican.
The Palestinian people must be so relieved that the anti genocide Trump won. I'm sure this is the outcome they prefer.
"The people I wish you had sacrificed to my leaders must be upset they're being sacrificed to a different political party on the other side of the planet"
No no no, again, why did she support a genocide? Why? Is this a Democratic voter issue? A deep desire to kill Palestinians in the DNC? This was HER choice. SHE chose to support the genocide. The fact that you people defend her actions is what's truly disgusting. Be human beings.
I'm thrilled she didn't win then. Oof, imagine how awful it would be to have a president who wants to actively commit genocide. Congratulations on not getting Genocide Kamala! You must be so happy with this outcome.
Just more whataboutism. Why did Harris support the genocide? Why did she double down on it? Why did she campaign with Republicans? You're taking away her agency and infantilizing her because you're mad people had criticisms of her campaign. She could have run any kind of campaign she wished.
Yeah, it's awful that she didn't spend any campaign time warning us all that Trump would do exactly what he's done. Good thing we (and Palestine) dodged that bullet!
Still talking about Trump, I'm talking about her actual campaign, her choices, and her direct support of genocide. Why was this an important issue for her? Why is this an important issue for you? Why do you demand we all support genocide?
Sweetie, why are you so mad? She didn't win. You got what you wanted. You should be celebrating this terrific outcome, not screaming into the void about the person who isn't the president. Enjoy your victory! 😁
Again, you fucking lunatics, we wanted her to be against the genocide. She refused. She still got my vote, that's how voting works in America. She still lost, because her campaign was atrocious. She thought she didn't have to listen to voters, and her arrogance is hurting us all.
The cult can never fail them, only people with souls can fail their cult.
She could have also, I dunno, fucking resigned as she was in an administration directly aiding a genocide. Would you work for an organization directly aiding genocide? Why?
Just shut the fuck up.
It's shocking. I have realised that most of these people didn't realise how much they didn't want a black woman in charge of the country. Their arguments against a VP so maligned that there were suggestions the Biden camp was looking for her replacement make no sense.
And still on these apps arguing against Harris and Biden. What a bunch of weak opps - scared to confront Trump, quick to deflect, and racist to the core. Elections have consequences.
lol, literally anything to deflect from the fact that she was aiding a genocide. Do you think you're fighting racism by supporting genocide?
www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...
? During her campaign she quoted the UN charter & publicly recognized Palestinians' rights to "dignity, security, freedom *and* self-determination", i.e. to an independent state. Afaik, no other presidential candidate or president did since the Oslo agreements. That's why she was attacked by 1/2
by ADL, other Zionist associations & the Israeli government. While the US vetoed *all* UN Sec. Council's resolutions against Israel, she also repeated that Israel has the right to self-defence (UN charter again) but the suffering and bloodshed in Gaza were unacceptable, devastating etc. 2/2
She spent fifteen months materially aiding genocide and said there would be no difference between her Biden except she would intentionally put a Republican in her cabinet.
She had no say on US-Israel policies until she was running. Then she said what presidential candidate and president should have said for decades, knowing it would cost her votes. Starting with 5% of the Jewish votes in states & constituencies where it mattered most:
She materially aided a genocide for fifteen months and said she would keep doing that when she said she'd be no different than Biden.
Their attacks on #Harris are steeped in Misogynoir, and her marriage to a Jewish guy rubs them the wrong way. as someone who calls out #Israel’s brutality, let me also say some of these anti-Harris guys are anti-semites. She lost in 2024, so they don't know what she would have done. No one does.
You're probably right on Misogynoir and antisemitism. We don't know what she would have done. Just that that she did speak out for Palestinians'rights to their homeland against her party's leadership.
You were right about "extremists" too, facts won't stop them to help Zionist candidates and Trump win the next elections...
You can count on it. And #JillStein will also show up in 2028, claiming to be fighting for #Palestinians while dividing the left. We cannot reason with them because they would rather burn everything to the ground.
I do, but hope passers by might be more interested in sourced facts about Palestine than in random dudes' fictions. Were Jill Stein defending Palestinians she'd be in Gaza and Israel, like chef José Andres of World Central Kitchen, a US NGO, was two weeks ago.
You cannot reason with us because you don't have reason, you have loyalty to a party of genocide.
It's very convenient that no one could be opposed to her fifteen months of supporting genocide. Every single one of those people is actually just a bigot, so it doesn't matter that she said she wouldn't be different from the previous genocider she would be imitating.
Were it true, she would have said "I'm a Zionist". You can read the UN charter art. 1 & 2, and listen to what she said and referred to from July 26 to Nov. 4, 2024. Lots of videos on line, and "front page news" in the Israeli and Arab press as well www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/...
Also, the genocide hadn't been going on for 15 months on July 26, 2024. She didn't support it anyway. She even denounced the starvation IDF had imposed in Gaza when it blocked food & medicine aid for weeks in March 2024 while US media hadn't even mentioned it.
The genocide had been going on for fifteen months when she was no longer able to abet it. She did support it. She spent fifteen months supporting it and then refused to say she'd do anything different from that fifteen months of supporting it.
As I said, don't attempt arguing with extremists who will NEVER acknowledge what they have done to all of us—migrants, black people, and most importantly Palestinians and #journalists working in Gaza.
And women, all US citizens who aren't billionaires, billions of people impacted by climate change, treatable infections, Trump's beloved dictators etc. I know I won't convince a couple of "random dudes on the internet" but deliberate misinformation endangers all of us and should be contrasted, imo.
Pointing out the consequences of your party picking genocide over votes doesn't make your party's commitment to genocide any less horrendously evil.
Not only did she point out the consequences, she revendicated Palestinians's right to freedom, security and their own state *against* her party's pro-Zionist leadership and Joe "I'm a Zionist" Biden.
Wild she was fine remaining the #2 in a genocidal administration and couldn't remember to point out she wouldn't slaughter children like her predecessor when she was asked for differences between her and Biden. Couldn't even say she'd work to stop arming genocide.
She quoted the UN charter, where does it say a country's right to self-defence . whether Israel or Palestine - means slaughtering the other's children?
She called for a ceasefire and Palestinian statehood, but you ignore that because it doesn’t fit your Democrats Always Bad/ BOTH SIDES narrative. Your guy won, you got what you wanted. You can stop relitigating the election.
Did you grow up hearing people say "words speak louder than actions" or something?
So are you criticizing Kamala Harris for not doing more as President? Or are you just proving Agora’s point from upthread?
I'm criticizing you for accepting obvious comforting lies from someone who refused to actually oppose genocide the entire time she was lying to you.
So she’s lying about what she would have done as president, which you know from carefully examining her time as president? Or did you hear her say we would support Israel as a Jewish state but not as an apartheid state and are lying about what that meant?
And I realize that shed made a nuanced argument, and there’s no room for nuance in the world of DEMOCRATS BAD ALWAYS BAD BOTH SIDES, but most of us don’t live in that world.
I carefully examined her complete lack of actual opposition while being the #2 in an administration actively abetting, defending, and protecting genocide. She also said she wouldn't be different than Biden, so she'd tell you comforting lies while going around congress to arm Israel.
Tell me, if you call for a ceasefire while you're actively arming the people committing a genocide, what are you doing? You're aiding a genocide. This is easy: "I will stop supplying weapons to Israel." Done. Now you're president.
And no, we will never let you forget that you demanded we also support a genocide.
Again, you got what you wanted. She lost. Congratulations. Sure, Trump’s gleefully planning to build condos on the bodies of dead children, while also putting Americans in concentration camps, but on the plus side you get to feel smug, and isn’t that’s more important?
Again, I wanted her to change her platform. She didn't. And again, she still got my vote. Her loss is on her.
Fuck you