They are both so obviously owned and operated by Russian forces that I'm not entirely certain that the puppet in the big chair really matters all that much.

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Absolutely not! The thought of Trump dying fills me with dread ‘cause the couch fucker will be way worse, and way more focused

No, but I can only cope with so much terror ...

Can something happen to Vance as well?

If it was Trump carking it in the most horrific and painful manner possible I'll grab that with both hands, 1 down 2 (Vance and Musk) to go....job's a good un

No, very much not ignoring that horrific possibility.

If I were Trump I'd employ a professional taster when visiting Vance

Nope. I have an Arya stark type list. Lol

No, not at all. I think it’s a case of ‘better the devil you know’.

We’re looking at a potential 12 years of geopolitical chaos …. Putin must be wetting himself with glee😜 and if that weren’t bad enough…. Thanks to the last constituency boundary changes I’m lumbered with Suella fucking Braverman as my MP🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤬🤬

There's many heads to the hydra..

Nope, I'm praying they're in the same car if anything happens.

Same event hopefully.

Mood lifted thanks

Then Mike Johnson becomes President. Eeuggh.

Not if the Dems take back the House after April.

They can't beat Elons golden vote!

Um... You seriously think there will be an election?

What happens then?

Jeffries (D) becomes house speaker.

So do the Dems then have more say on executive orders?

Nope. But they will be able to chair committees and investigations.

Oh, investigations

People knew what this man was and still put him back in the WH , unbelievable

I hope there are mid terms, but the country and government is going to be ruined by then.

Who says he will let mid terms happen or, if they do and go against him, that he won’t accept it?

It's not against him, though. He can't not let an election happen. He would be dragged from the WH for violating our most fundamental right.

He sees it as a him issue though.

All narcissists do. The best weapon against one is mockery.

It really is.

The GOP have been violating that right for years with their voter suppression and gerrymandering tactics. If the country had independent districting bodies the GOP would never be in power again....and they know it.

When you over throw the Trump Facists and establish your second Republic, you need a democratic counterbalance of Project 2025. A new Declaration of Independence, that has universal voting rights, health care and for FFS no right to bear arms. It’s ludicrous now!

I totally agree, for the Republic to survive that has to happen. One hopes that we are not the only ones who realise this.

Like we have in Australia. www.aec.gov.au

The election system in the USA is crazy and Biden wanted to have a minimum national standard for voting in elections called the John Lewis voting rights act....guess who voted against it? yes every GOP rep. But they do believe in honest elections..FFS.

Sure

I thought that myself tbh

Wait, you still think elections are now going to be free and fair now that Tramp has given Putin an open door to hack them? Next you'll tell me the legal system will save you after Tramp publicly said 'we ARE the law'

The Dems don’t seem to be awake let alone able to take back the House.

July 26, 2024: “We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote [again]. ~Senile totalitarian trump, mere months before the election. If they do have midterms, it’ll be one one of those funny elections like they have in N Korea. Ruling party gets 99.8% and .2% get machine-gunned.

Now Now 😂

Yes Now

👍😁

Perhaps they will both get in a Tesla!

With Muskrat

I’m hoping for an ‘inglorious bastards’ style trip to the cinema for Team Trump I’m sure we could temp them with a Riefenstahl matinee?

And then it’s worse Mike Johnson the Speaker

And then Chuck Grassley. And then Marco Rubio.

We have to somehow navigate the next four years.

I'm sure the CIA are working on it.

What makes you think it will be a car? Russians only use twp methods. Novichok or windows.

Or the same collapsing building

We'll need Eddies Fox and Redmayne to do a team up

Trying to…

Well they all fly about in air force one. And they have cut air traffic controllers so... 🙏

He’s also a whack job but he has no cult following and the spineless GOP might stand up to him I could be wrong and they could still burn the whole fuckin thing down because education isn’t a thing in the US apparently

Very much cognisant of that one, worryingly…

No, which is why we cannot rely on America and have to build a European defence industry and military. Events could be in for 8 years on top of Trump

No, but it’s worth reminding everyone

Ah, but I bet Vance is remembering that. Probably stands behind Trump every morning loudly popping balloons

Yup

Is that like the rat dying and only being left with the plague?!

No, it's just on hold, our madness quota has already been reached 😊xx

😂😂😂

So who takes trump? Musk or Vance?

He's an incompetent boob, though. Sure, he's a little fascist that, but he doesn't have the charisma that Trump does. The GOP will ditch him ASAP.

Peter Thiel, the right wing billionaire who once wrote that it was a mistake to allow women to vote, groomed Vance with every job he ever had, paid for and ran his Senate election campaign, and donated and pushed Vance to be Trump’s VP. Vance is the Tech Bro Oligarch plant with Trump as figurehead.

Trump is playing King with Musk as Prime Minister and Vance as ambassador at large, it seems.

It's worse than that...Vance becomes President if he can persuade enough of the Cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment

At least one of them would be out of the way 😃

'J.D.' ... 'Junior Dictator'.

That's the only thing keeping Trump in office

That, and Putin.

Not if something happens simultaneously to them both!

It’s been bothering me for a while. Tbh I think something will happen to Trump. He’s not well at all.

often crosses my mind, but he is not the god of maga & I hope he would crumble under the pressure - its musk that is important to be rid off & it would be wonderful if he & the other greedy just loose all their wealth because that is their only concern in my humble opinion

This is why we must all hope and pray that Trump remains in the best of health.

Or that they're both in the same plane / helicopter / boat / pushchair

And then you get that lunatic Mike Johnson. Needs to be a full plane/helicopter/boat/pushchair…

Quite so. Although I get the impression that Mike Johnson is merely stupid, rather than unhinged like Trump or totally fucking evil like J.D. Couch-Fucker.

Vance is able to stay awake through meetings and actively wants to create a dystopia, rather than just stealing everything that's not nailed down. There are reasons why the golfing is my favorite part of the Krasnov regime.

I'm hoping they're on the same plane when it goes down.

Along with the pilot!!!

Not if something were to happen to Vance too…

We will have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

No. The people Trump is colluding with in his power grab are all despots and fanatics. Like a certain other government from almost a century ago

If they let Vance, at this point the rules don’t seem to apply.

All hail President Maybelline!

This was my warning #492 for a 2nd Trump administration. That has now become alarm #625.

Ignoring it is the only thing getting me through the day.

Nope. I’ve always thought that was the plan. Get Trump in because he’s got election-winning form, remove him (the method doesn’t matter, they’ll blame the woke for his death) and then install a truly nasty piece of work.

Desperately trying not to think about the possibility.

I doubt that JD Vile can exert leverage over this disparate cabinet. But what happens then? The constitution wasn’t written to take account of bad actors

Kill two birds with one stone?

...then Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House. Is it too much to hope they all have terrible accidents, simultaneously?

Well no, but what am I supposed to do?

I think that was the plan all along. Vance, saw an opportunity to slither into power knowing that Trump wouldn't last the 4 years. So Trump uses MAGA to clear the obstacles that restrain power and then after 2 years, dead or dying, leaves Vance can govern for two years and still run for 2 terms.

Ahhhhh

😳

I'm not ignoring the horror of Vance getting into the oval in place of the convicted felon 47. With his tech & venture capitalist bros, they will corporatize & privatize the country to their benefit.

That’s the really scary part

Godfather 2

Not any more I'm not

Nope, keeping me up at night! You know it’s bad when Trump is the least worst option.

something should happen to vance as well

Nope, they both need to be on the same plane

And also with Musk

No. It's terrifying.

The full, terrifying list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...

Maybe something will happen to Vance?

I’ll take pathetic over raw evil

I had the very thought the other day I don’t like having to wish Trump health

No, we're frankly terrified.

Nope. I was saying that earlier.My god America you been well and truly taken to the cleaners. And you have no cards for 4 years.

Americans must rise up & do something to stop these lunatics. The future of the free world depends on it.

they're not planning on leaving in 4 years.

Yep.

Could the mid-terms alter the balance if the Cult loses Senators? Sorry, if I am ignorant of American politics and that's a stupid question

You probably know as much as me but most senators will look after themselves I suppose.

No, you are incorrect. Peter Thiel becomes President.

Sadly, he and his (pay)pals already are.

But amongst the MAGA supporters he does have the same popularity, he might be a lot worse but I feel the public really would desert them. Might be too late for the public to do anything by then of course.

Naaa. Musk will make sure that doesn't happen.

Musk is the one who pushed for Vance as VPOTUS, isn't he?

I think it was more Thiel's idea.

Aren't Thiel and Musk like sweetcorn in a turd?

Musk can't as he wasn't born in the USA

You really think they care about the Constitution?

Till they change the rules using their stuffed supreme court Won't stop there either First a 3rd term for Donald Dump then all bets are off Never thought WW3 would have China on one side vs The Dump and rasPUTIN on the other

He's sponsored by Peter Thiel, who really is a right bastard.

Thiel wrote the fwd on Rees-Mogg Snr's book. Looks like we're watching it happen in real time over there

I didn't know that, thank you. 👍

No problem! It's clear there are many vested interests in the collapse of US democracy, lots now in the White House, surrounding Trump daily. Any chance that he can be talked around by a tummy tickle from the King is for the birds. He's gone. This has been years in the planning.

I remember a Russian wrote a book in the 1990s, titled something like 'How to beat the West without firing a bullet' (?). Also Krushov back in the 1950s said something similar.

Mission accomplished. The US govt would be acting exactly the same today if Putin had invaded the States & won a brutal war. They just did it the smart way, using egotistical idiots.

Trying to … there is only so much despair a soul can bear.

That was the plan.

And Mike Johnson if anything happens to both Trump and Vance. The world is well and truly holding on by its finger tips.

I doubt he would have the same cult like following as Trump though, given that he’s a dweeb weirdo.

Won't Musk still be in charge?

Trump is bad enough, but Vance terrifies me even more.

That's why Musk is wearing body armour under his shirt and carrying a kid on his shoulders and Trump isn't.

A thought that's been terrifying me since he accepted the Vice Presidential nomination. The 25th Amendment actually scares me more than the Orange Gonad.

I think that's the plan. The project 2025 people want Vance in charge.

Well just have to hope that something happens to Vance at the same time.

No. I think about it all the time 😳

I've thought about this many times as I really don't think Trump will make 4 yrs (for one reason or another). I actually think he'd be worse - kinda like Fred Waterford (IYKYK). I think he'd elbow Musk though!

James - can you ask your besties @maitlis.bsky.social who the designated survivor during tonight’s address? I’m not saying life imitates art but did you watch Contagion?

More good news...after him, it's lil Mikey J!

Ohhhh that's depressing

They could be passing the same, top floor, open window when an unforseen incident occurs?🤞🤞🤞🤞

Those who think JD Vance has no chance of becoming POTUS haven't looked at the US Constitution. If Trump dies, Vance - the puppet of broligarch Peter Thiel - is next. And an anglosphere Broligarchy is a nice trinket to have.

Why is the UK a target? A former Imperial power has baggage, and that dogged Churchill's negotiations with FDR; the UK-US Trade deal that melted away like the Wicked Witch of The West when it met reality; the arrogance of the Broligarchy of Silicon Valley; Envy of our soft power; a need of enemies.

Nope. Just trying to stop gagging at the thought of this entrepreneurial politician being next in line makes me fear the dark side of human ambition as the perversion of the will to power. He can't be trusted either.

Just said this !

Yep, It definitely crossed my mind. He’s being groomed

Pretty sure the militias and freed j6ers will ignore him too, low priority threat. Cross that bridge later.

Honestly, I don’t think that Vance dodges bullets (sometimes literally) in the way that Trump does. He is just a pipsqueak.

Not if they're on the same plane.

No. But I the think the only person that can carry the cult is Trump.

Surely you mean musk 😂

No. But nobody likes Vance. He's barely a footnote, and will be crushed in the power vacuum left in Trump's passing.

Yes.

Vance becomes President and he'll fall and resign within weeks. He's absolutely hated by the GOP and is only there by slavish devotion to Trump.

I don’t think anything’s predictable right now x

Vance is seen as weak & a big problem. Sidelined by his own party, & having to ask Trump for permission to join in on browbeating of Zelensky. Low-level henchman if I ever saw one. If Trump dies, the whole movement dies with him. Yes, it is all chaos & it will continue, because they want it that way

Did he have to ask for permission? Seems to me Trump isn’t trusted in these things on his own. Also I know MAGA is a cult but I could see several ppl stepping forward to lead it if he dies.

Yes, he did. I saw a long clip of him asking. Those several people can't fill Trump's shoes and will fall away. Think Tory party. Think Johnson.

Well ok . I hope you’re right more than you can know.

It is all hypothetical. Trump's not dead. Yet. The way he's going...

His dad was so old honestly x

Long afflicted with dementia, before he died.

"If Trump dies, the whole movement dies with him." Absolutely this.

Well I hope it’s true honestly I do.

I answered the same 🙌🏼

I mean there’s enough to deal with right?

🤦‍♂️

Indeed. Who cares what happens in 4yrs or next yr or even in 6months? We have to work hard right now just to survive tomorrow!!!!

Yes right now.

I said No. But. I agree with you. Terrible accidents happen on ski slopes 😁

Most unfortunate x

He might revert back to being himself if he did.

Nope . It’s been on my mind since the inauguration..

There are too many actual problems right now to add the extra worrying 'what if' lot to the pile.

I think you mean Peter Thiel - that’s how the techbros roll

sooo 2 bullets.,, got ya

This is what I say to all the Americans expressing the hope that Trump is not long for this world. Vance is worse.

Is JD or AD

Its terrifying.

Trump is speed running ‘economic destruction.’ When - not if - Vance takes over I’ve got 10 quid on his term being shorter than Liz Truss. I don’t think he will even get the chance to unpack.

The cult will collapse without the orange one. The MAGA are a simple people. With their King gone, they will set on each other in a frenzy of RW cannibalism.

He might go back to his Trump hating ways

I’ve been thinking about exactly that nightmare scenario 😳

Nò🤬

No

I'll give it three months before the Project 2025 boys slip the felon a Novíchok Burger and blame it on the Dems.

He won't have the same support though.

And behind them both, Speaker Johnson...

He's more of a liability to the GOP?

Vance has absolutely no ties or feelings of nostalgia to the UK. Possibly not out of the question that him & Putin would be minded to invade... Can't believe I just wrote that, but here we are.

I hope his Scottish and Irish roots mean something to him, otherwise he's an traitorous bastard and Celts deal with those in special ways. Stone circles are places of human sacrifice. He's the right kind of human.

Trying to yes

If something happens to Trump and Vance then Mike Johnson likely becomes president. Deffo a kakistocracy whether Trump, Vance or Johnson.

And then Johnson! There’s no way out of this catastrofuck.

Stop teasing

Weeeell......

Hans, buuby , I'm your white knight!

Oh no. The order in which they should fall off their balconies is 1)Vance, 2) Hesgeth, 3) Trump

Nope

MAGA is a cult of personality. They aren’t wild about Vance to begin with, but if Trump went, for many the spell would be broken.

A well known and very respected Democratic Congressman has said publicly that many Republicans in both houses have confided that they live in fear of violence and career retribution for themselves and their families under Trump. They do not fear Vance in anything like the same way

Perhaps it could be arranged that whatever ails Donald ails him too!

A special eau de parfum from Moscow perhaps?

Who’s the designated survivor?

They keep that a secret but it generally changes per event. There was no designated survivor at the inauguration. www.nbcwashington.com/news/nationa...

Not for one second

Really? You're saying that would be worse?

Not at all. How far down the succession list would a decapitation attack have to reach before it found a sane successor?

I thought Vance was supposed to stand out as the voice of reason in that lineup, so that once Trump gets the 25th people would relax and think things were gonna be ok.

He was picked by Elon..

Now that is scary..

IMO, Trump IS MAGA, just like Farage IS Reform. I’d hope either/ both would implode without its figurehead

I certainly haven't - but I do see him as much more easy to influence and manipulate / shaming into doing something that may be closer to the right thing to do. Optimism eh

It's been a real threat since Trump first made him his running mate and it was immediately clear that the man was extremely disturbed, ill informed, almost a simpleton and completely craven. Nothing has happened to change that initial impression, indeed, it has only worsened. Total scum.

That may be Putin’s plan once the orange useful Idiot has served his purpose.

Oh fuck………

No, I am not.

Somehow, I don't think Thiel, Musk and the gang of U.S. oligarchs will be ignoring it - that's why Vance is there. Trump should probably employ someone to taste his food & drink, like his pal Putin. That's not wholly tongue-in-cheek; people who are doing what they are doing are capable of anything.

Best to get rid of them at the same time, unfortunately the Speaker of the House is an absolute arsehole as well.

Three for the price of two deal? Who's next in line.

Unfortunately, if you look at the list, it's arseholes all the way down.

That is a truly depressing list. He really knows how to pick them, doesn't he.

If? When.

Not if… when! That would be the next step to declare martial law and escalate things even further.

I think it’s what ‘happens’ to Trump that might temper what Vance does next.

Once Trump is gone the movement unravels (rapidly and possibly kinetically) because he has deliberately surrounded himself with very weak men, has angered strong women and men, and has no succession plan.

Oh, yours is my fave reply Duncan👍 I so hope you're right

That's been the plan all along 🫤

I predict a military coup there if things degenerate much more. The military top brass must be very angry with this administration.

I thought that! I sincerely hope it happens.

They've all been replaced by Trump loyalists.

We saw in the UK that Johnson's successors were unable to lie with impunity in the same way he did. I have a feeling that we will see the same phenomenon with Trump's successors,whoever they may be.

Is Vance fully committed to the 2025 project? I think he is whereas Trump just lurches from one thing to another. I expect the MAGA gang to turn in on each other but who knows with these crazy people!

I think about it all the time. Terrifying.

Not at all. How far down the line is MTG?

Watch the excellent documentary 'Bad faith'. Consider the 25th Amendment Then shudder.

No but there’s not much we can do about that - meanwhile best guess is their puppet masters don’t want a deal under any circumstances and they weren’t prepared for Europe etc to pull together so quickly.

I thought parasites didn't survive if the host is removed.

That would lead us to Putin then.

America is the host, Parasite Putin has been laying the eggs.

We’re stuck with them both fir four years I’m afraid

Been worrying about that since the election. Trump was just the means to an end.

What was said to be the most frightening phrase in the world when Bush Senior was President and Dan Quayle was VP???? "Honey I don't feel well"?

Why do you think there have been no actions taken regarding the 25th amendment. Hint it’s not because Trump is ultra competent and sane 😂

Are we ignoring Trump looking to stop postal votes? This is a coup isn’t it? I’d love someone more informed than me to reassure me and tell me why there will be elections in America going forward 🙂

What are you planning, James?

Are we ignoring the fact that Trump ordered a nuclear attack on Iran if anything happened to him? 😳

Not ignoring.

No. He’s much more intelligent, uses his intelligence for pure malevolence and is totally lacking in charisma.

The cult ends with Trump, but the Americans really need to suffer greatly before any lessons will be learned. I am hoping Ukraine get through this, but the US is decimated.

We are not - it just doesn't bear thinking about

Vance is Trump's insurance policy. I can't think of any other good reason to appoint him.

I think Trump was done over by the insurance salesman.

No, I've been worried about that for quite a while.

Nope. And don't forget Musk and Johnson, too.

…. It only takes Musk to decide Vance is easier to control than Trump, they’ll declare him mentally unfit and who would argue otherwise?

That's too horrendous to even think about...

That may well have been the plan all along.

He is like the side kick of the playground bully. He is nothing without Trump.

I don’t think Badenoch is.

They get impeached in a package deal, realistically.

Terrifying

Absolutely not. it may be the only way to stop a 3rd Trump term!!

Absolutely, not I do think if by some act Vance becomes POTUS the government would fold. I do not think he has the backing, strength or will to do the job.

I agree, he doesn’t have a cult like Trump.

He says we dont have free speech. I think they will discover that we do

Just trying not to think about it.

My greatest fear since Vance was announced as Trump’s running mate was that he would be president within 2 years. Trump was just their ticket for the presidency as Vance lacks charisma. They will invoke the 5th amendment and install Vance and then Project 2025 will go into hyperdrive.

Trump is a unique public persona. I don't think Vance is the dude to replicate it. Doesn't mean he couldn't hold the MAGA coalition together with a good running start. But he'd definitely be weaker.

He's just a shape shifter with no policies. Without the Trump figurehead, I'd give him 3 months before he gets figuratively pushed off a cliff.

Nope. Already stocked up on loo roll, soup and anti-depressants.

I doubled up on corned beef yesterday.

Corned beef hash, tinned spuds and mixed veg. Post apocalypse Micheline Star grub.

Iodine tablets might be an idea.

They’re going to get 4 years of Trump, then 8 years of Vance with Trump occupying the unelected position in the White House that Musk currently holds.

No. Send in a few snow boarders. Done 😁

Yes but he doesn't lead the cult!

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhh!

Not at all. Nor am I ignoring the "you won't need to vote any more" promises before the election. They're pretty much making sure that war is coming, which will mean one of Putin's lapdogs will stay President for a long time as no elections would likely take place in wartime (like in Ukraine).