People in the USA & beyond are being punished, fired, defunded, deported, disciplined & silenced by Trump’s administration for their opinions & beliefs. In unprecedented numbers. I thought the ‘anti-woke’ warriors really hated this stuff? They all seem to have disappeared…
Funny that
Free speech was always cover for the opposite.
They have their own cancel culture. Anyone that doesnt agree with the orange supreme leader gets punished. They are now prisoners in a world of their own making.
Turns out they don’t really like free speech but they do love cancel culture.
As always it's their version of the truth NOT the ACTUAL TRUTH.
It is sinister and frankly terrifying
The so called woke brigade need to use the tactics used by the militias and face them head on, the law is not on their side now.
It's all 100% christian - nothing new - same old ideology. It's same dogma I was brought up with. No deviation tolerated.
Suddenly free speech isn't an issue
It was only Freeedom of Speech, but in their veiw only! And Guees why Musk is so Anti Trans!
What sickens me is how Starmer is still courting this administration as if they are friends. I think Europe and Canada have caught on quickly but the UK needs to treat the US as hostile now
It wouldn't serve the public interest to have an angry Trump levy more Tariffs against us.
It would have less effect if we were united with Europe and Canada and besides we import more from them anyway.
True. I'm hoping CANZUK becomes a thing.
UK is behaving like the girlfriend hanging on, hoping her man will change his behaviour 🙄
Yup - deeply ashamed of Uk at the moment
Ashamed maybe too strong but we certainly need to work out fast who we are siding with. If as it's doing, the USA turns full Facists we need to support each other.
Oh, if christians are in charge, then they will tighten up way more. I am ashamed when I hear our PM praising Trump.
I don't think I've ever heard Keir praising Trump, he actually thinks Trump is an arsehole, you only have to listen to some of the things they said before they took office. He's just being very careful to not upset Trump. Hopefully he's making alternative arrangements to a life dependent on the US 🤞🏾
I'm also wondering if the UK are more like the women who revel in having a big, strong boyfriend who'll dominate them and everyone around them. The gangster's Moll.
I would HOPE we're not at that stage? 🤦🏾♀️🤣
What wouldn't I have given if that envelope instead of a king's invitation had instead been an arrest warrant from the court in the Hague..
I've been looking for that description, it fits perfectly.
He is trying to balance a very difficult situation as people will be worse off in this country so he has to try!
If as it's doing, the USA turns full Facists none of that will matter. Get your priorities right.
He knows .. but hedging his bets for some pathetic trade deal with the megalomaniac .. for what to protect Brexit and the oligarchs It’s bloody insane and cruel
Is he though? Or is he just 'taking one for the team' and accepting the flack to give our real allies chance to assemble in the background? Keeping Trump sweet temporarily is a safer option than upsetting him totally and him going on a rampage.
If as it's doing, the USA turns full Facists none of that will matter. Get your priorities right.
It's not a matter of me getting my priorities right. I'm not happy with Starmer appearing to 'court' Trump but if he's doing it to just keep a lid on the orange one whilst he, the rest of Europe, the Baltic states etc are putting the REAL plan together then I can live with that.
So what's this plan you keep referring to and where is the evidence please?
You are aware that European heads of state have been meeting and discussing how best to support Ukraine and protect Europe from Russia going forward? They're not going to be able to do this overnight; they need time. They know US is no longer a reliable ally.
You describe Starmer's fawning over Trump as taking one for the team. Your now commenting on the EU doing a massive spend on 'ITS' defence. I don't follow your logic sorry.
He's the one telling Donny that he can still be involved with the 'negotiations'. It's obvious to anyone with common sense that he isn't going to get what he wants but Trump is so full of his own ego that he will believe what Starmer is feeding him. Starmer is getting flak appearing to be chummy.
Well it's an interesting take on it but I am sorry I don't actually agree with you. Time will tell I guess.
I could be proved wrong and, if I am, I will be the first to say I misjudged. I HOPE that I am right but with the perilous state of affairs facing us something completely left-field could happen.
Maybe .. but making the UK roll over and be the fall guy is bloody scary .. we are not dealing with a normal person .. you can’t win/negotiate this with invites and flattery .. it’s a weakness that he will take advantage of .. the man is a dangerous lunatic & strength and unity is what is needed
I hope that we aren't the fall guy. I'm hoping that it's just a buying time measure to stop Trump from doing something truly dreadful.
No. He’s using diplomacy to keep a simmering pot from boiling over and allowing Europe the time it needs to get ready for the next stage. People need to get past this fucking nonsense that he’s a “Tory” because Corbyn isn’t in charge or because Brexit continues to exist.
I have not compared Labour with Tories so don't put words in my mouth. As for the pot, it boiled days ago. If as it's doing, the USA turns full Facists none of that will matter. Get your priorities right.
It’s not my fault you let your hatred of the man blind you.
Hatred of who? Sorry but your comments have been unclear and focused on things I've not said. Where have I said I hate anyone?
Starmer is fantasising about cosplaying as Blair so of course needs to carry out this spineless subservience to an ally that despises them.
I don't think that's true but I do think he needs to remake our relationship with Europe, draw away from the US and attempt to include the former Commonwealth in the family.
Still think he's in awe of the "spec. relationship" and hasn't come fully to terms with the US policy shifts away from EUR. I still think he's deluded thinking he can enjoy the benefits of both the US & Europe. He's still fully pandering to Trump & it just signals to the US the UK is a pushover.
With respect, I think the rich should pay more tax but it doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Frankly, anyone who thinks you can "protect the UK's national interests" by cleaving to a US administration whose literal slogan in "America First" is clearly deluded and suffering from cognitive dissonance bordering on the imbecilic.
Common interests. Trump and Starmer share an affinity for robbing the poor and serving the rich.
How is that either helpful or even true?
Free speech only when it agrees with ketamine Karen. 😥
It’s not landing. I fear to many people are to far gone. Even on this side of the Atlantic. To many have turned of the regulated “msm” and turned to the unregulated media which ironically is now the main stream. I hate to say it but they’ve played a blinder.
It seems to be being forgotten that the illegal actions being demanded by Trump's administration are actually being carried out by Americans. "Only carrying out orders" is no defence against illegal acts, whoever issued them. It is interesting (alarming) to see how easily Americans have been cowed.
Attached BBC doc is 1.5 hrs long. Worth a watch as to who can carry out orders. Not an easy view. m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Y3...
The "Good Soldier" Defence: "only following orders" was the standard Nuremberg war trials defence to claim that soldiers/individuals were simply carrying out their duty. The Nuremberg trials established that a "superior orders defence", when the orders are clearly illegal, is no defence at all.
Yep, Xhitting themselves!
Freedom is only for themselves.
It is really turning into a dangerous place to visit given the lack of freedom and liberty there now.
Who knew that treating people fairly and respectfully could so enrage a load of nasty little tinpot fascists that they'd ruin their own country over it? Utterly bizarre.
It will just empower Farage & his band on haters
I disagree. First, farrige doesn’t have nearly as much support as 🍊💩 in the US. Second- when they see how the US economy is collapsing due to the shit show, they will quiet down real fast.
Hope so. Really hope so. Also hope the BBC doesn't offer them megaphones as they did before the EU vote.
You say that but: A. Farage helped collapse the UK economy with Brexit - and even admitted Brexit is a failure - yet people still follow him. B. Farage's approval rating (although still negative) has improved since Trump started wrecking America. Thankfully, your first point is correct.
Hm, you are right, I‘forgot’ about that little ditty 😂🤣. And he keeps getting waaaay too much airtime on the BBC. Although, to be fair I thought he’s gonna be on it non-stop and that wasn’t the case. Fuck that guy
The BBC are not pro Farage, they are practising good balanced journalism hoping that his airtime will show people how stupid he is. Unfortunately there are now an unprecedented number of really stupid unemployable racist people to agree with him
I’d argue that him and Bojo being regular guests on HIGNFY has given these fucks enough airtime to get us into brexshit and 14 years of Tory rule and it should suffice them for a lifetime. The ones who want to hear his empty words are not going to suddenly change their minds.
Regardless what channel or show they are/were on, unemployable people watch the most TV. It's a captive audience that want to watch bias racist drivel. At least the BBC has balance, unlike channels which exploit the popularism of the far right. As for Brexit, Labour are doing nothing to revert it.
A significant number who want to vote for him are enraged about Ukraine, that's why Farage won't mention it
They love cancel culture when it cancels things they hate. They hate cancel culture when people who spout horrible rhetoric against innocent people face the consequences, because they happen to share the same views.
At least his British stans have gone rather quiet
They're doing in reality what they always imagined their opponents were doing to them. Monstrous behaviour based off ignorance and insecurity.
Where's Toby Young when you need him, eh?
It's almost like it was never really about free speech ...
Come on, it was only ever about them, the "silencing" of white supremacists. The silencing of anyone who supports DEI or, let's be clear, anyone supporting equality and basic human rights is what the anti woke warriors wanted.
Now, now, James, it's hard work, disappearing people without due process. They're having to take time away from re-writing history & the new "merit based" hiring system to do it. I genuinely think those comments would get you, and I've made plenty myself, sent home in shackles...
... I don't know about everyone else, but as someone who has spent her adult life studying history & and law, I am, at this stage, comfortable in calling Trump's gov fascistic in nature. Technically I think they are in the authoritarian democracy stage, but only just.
www.defensenews.com/pentagon/202... www.independent.co.uk/news/world/a...
Liberals are extraordinarily naive when it comes to debating free speech with fascists. No fascist regime anywhere, ever, has allowed their opponents to have freedom of speech. But liberal democracies happily allow the sworn enemies of democracy to spout their vile poison.
Extremely dangerous times
Just rename DEI something else. Merit based appointing. The MAGA bozos would not know any difference. Look at Trump's cabinet, not merit based.
Almost like they didn't really exist outside of Twitter.
Free speech and cheap eggs tho….oh
Doesn’t seem much like “small government” does it?
What's happening to this lovely world 🌎 we all live it !! We should be united. We have ONE life
You are right. At least in my opinion. I think people can forget that we all live under the same sky and share this beautiful planet.
Freedom of speech only extends to calling gay people derogatory names, apparently.
Using the N word, most of all.
Tbf we always knew they were fucking Nazis. They often told us stuff like “everyone I don’t like is a Nazi”, turns out that was 100% correct. These people are no better than animals.
Seems like the anti-woke con was really a pro-fash con after all!!! Who knew
At least they’ve proved they don’t need all those guns after all… might as well ban them after all.
Please please also talk about Greenland ... we need you all in Denmark and Greenland now ... a Fox host compared this situation to USA to throwing the bomb on Hiroshima and being "best allies" now. it is bloody crazy !!
people may say .. ah well, Greenland, Denmark .. it may not "matter" as much. But Greenland could become our Ukraine. Just with USA being the aggressor. It is a real threat. Please care enough to talk about it. I dont have enough followers on my BlueSky to make a difference.
On day one I will bring inflation down, its up, stock market down. I get very little response from trimpers these days. Chests puffed out about a mandate, how bad biden is, etc. Now its just crickets, the only way to defend it is to lie about the resukts, they leave that o Karoline Leavitt
Why doesn't anyone call him president Tramp? Seems so obvious to me but I never see that
The name calling isnt helpful, the data speaks for itself, inflation is up and the market is down and increasing expectation of a recession. Folks, hang on, 2026 isnt that far away and they will have to change course soon because that campaigning isnt that far off.
Don’t you just hate it how surprised everyone is by events in the USA. Its Donald Trump/Vance/Musk for gods sake. Project 2025. What did people expect.
It’s more about the media amplifying the voices of a very small shouty minority, they are still there but the headline gathers have moved on to the antics of Trump and his coterie.
“Oh we don’t mean those people!”
Because they are spineless fascists - boil it down; they are traitors. They’d sell their grandparents for a few bob, so what’s the country and who cares about rights? These people should be brought to task for the devastation they are wreaking for their own gain. Starting with Fagash and Tice!
This is still relatively early days. However, there are the signs of a backlash growing. T's reaction to a backlash will reveal intentions if not already apparent.
Where is the MSM on this? Don’t seem to be hearing anything on R4 Today or Times Telegraph Guardian on this just on social be media. Why the silence?
....that 'freedom'Reps and MAGA proclaim to protect have always been about only a/their limited range of options and beliefs.
How many signs do we need to know that this ain’t normal .. it’s bloody scary Meanwhile Reform are endorsing this MAGA madness 😞
And the BBC is busy promoting it.
Why should we (The UK worry) Trump imposes tax on cars going into the US, only luxury cars made in the UK go to the US. I'm sure they can afford an extra 25%. British don't buy American cars, they are poor... plus we don't have to pay an extra 25% on said cars. Hold our nerve an the US will crumble
It's not just cars. It's steel, aluminium, parts and other stuff. And, yes, things are going to get more expensive for Americans.
You forgot services, to the US £124.4 billion.
Completely true, things go up as a minimum 25% for the Americans. We just sell to them at increased prices 😅 gonna take more than 4 years to upscale and replace the supply from the UK as a minimum
they lie.... and no doubt that will continue until they face negative consequences for said lies... hasn't happened yet.
The anti-woke warriors have an awful tendency to turn into snowflakes the second the nasty person says something they don’t like, viz Farage. At some stage in the near future these people will be directly and negatively affected by Trump, at which point they will cry ‘I didn’t think you meant me!’
And all that happened because some Dem voters thought that Harris wasn't "Left enough" and either didn't vote at all or voted for Trump to "punish her" We should carefully watch what happened in the US, before start complaining about Starmer and how he is not " Labour enough"
Starmer isn't Labour at all, neither is the Labour Party. They're systematically reneging on everything they claimed they'd implement whilst cutting vital services and support for the most vulnerable people on society. Starmer's 1 degree of difference from Trump. The 1 degree: he wears better suits.
That's exactly the mentality leading to PM Farage.
Well you won't find me voting for the racist. But I won't be voting for Starmer either. That doesn't make me a Tory by the way. It makes me a realist. Tell me one good thing Labour have done.
Got rid of the Tory government?
Yes, then steamroller ahead with most of the same cuts and policy. Sl
If Labour want a second term then they should stop trying to out Tory the Tories & out reform Reform! Change remember?! That doesn’t mean 2 million more low quality GP appointments that ppl have to go to 5 times to get diagnosed and building on every green space in south👍
Incredibly shallow take, and also helps to railroad people into an oppressively binary reality, which is exactly the reality that the right-wing want. Kamala Harris lost & Donald Trump won for multiple, nuanced reasons, but hey this one suits you to fixate on and inflate I guess.
It's not shallow. It's accurate.
by definition it's shallow because you're taking something complicated which has many reasons, cherry-picking and misrepresenting one in a skewed way, and naming IT as THE reason something happened. but I guess you know better than the actual experts because it fits your bias.
Yeah, ok, whatever. Hope you'll enjoy PM Farage then.
yes, blame the left if that happens if it makes you feel better, just the right-wing do, now there's a surprise, you side with the right on this issue: punch left.
of course I will blame the left if that happens ( among other things)
yep, the centrists treat the left (whose progressive policies reflect old labour and are highly popular) with contempt and then blame them for not kowtowing, and complain about the rise of the conservative power, which they themselves enabled. classic toxicity.
If there were highly popular, Corbyn would have been prime minister by now, wouldn't he?
british political system is broken and unreflective, everyone knows that, most centrists even are in favour of electoral reform; also corbyn was the subject of an intense smear campaign aided and abetted by the beloved centrists because he wasn't a nice little closet conservative: ratchet politics.
Over the past 15 years, Farage has achieved all of his goals by pulling the Tories to the right. If anything, the left should be looking to him as an example of how to apply pressure to a party that relies on their votes to stay in power.
instead the left are... left behind as the centrist parties scrambled desperately to court conservatives, even though in the grand scheme of things that is unpopular
Exactly. The left vote is taken for granted; until that changes, the slide to the right is inevitable.
When killing Palestinians is more important than preventing a fascist takeover, you get a fascist takeover. Not criticising Starmer will make the UK next in line.
Oh no you don’t. I held my nose and voted for her along with the rest of the leftists. White men without college degrees - many of them two holes in a pillowcase short of klansmen were never going to vote for an exotic mixed-race uppity woman. Along with 47% Latino men and 30% black men under age 45
'Uppity woman'.
Your problem is the 36.33% who stayed home! They need to be the target and focus because you won’t change the MAGA people .. who’d vote to starve their own kids as long as ‘libtards’ were suffering. Their vote could eliminate the Rethugs( if you are ever allowed to vote again)
That’s the thing Carol “if you are ever allowed to vote again” because if Trump gets his way there won’t be another election anytime soon or indeed for years.
Or if there is, it will have a manipulated result. Trump family members only…..
Or one day even President X!
Yes … you could well be right about this.
I just hope that someone over there recalls that acting to overthrow the Constitution is apparently punishable by being shot by firing squad…..
Is this it … “shall suffer death, or imprisoned and fined, and incapable of holding any U.S. office.”?
I thought there was a specific death by firing squad…..but I don’t know…
🤔
Under U.S. law, overthrowing the American Constitution, specifically through treason, carries the penalty of death or imprisonment for not less than five years, with a minimum fine of $10,000, and forfeiture of the right to hold public office.
Carol, no alt text on the image of text. Just a small nudge 😊
Tell me more please ….
People with low or no sight can’t see an image, or text as an image. Adding the words or description in alt text lets their software listen to it. Bit like an audio book. 📕
Understand what you say, but she did say ( in text) that 36% of US eligible voters DID NOT vote!! And this was after having experienced Trump #1! In my book, this makes a large majority of Americans complicit in the current Project 2025 Authoritarian State!!!
You can blame voters, or you can blame the Democrats for ignoring them and taking them for granted. Trump won because he went to places Washington has given up on, like Ohio, and said he cared about them and wanted to bring their jobs back. Democrats campaigned in Martha's Vineyard and Bel Air
Still a big % who didn’t like either candidate. And then wasn’t there some query about whether Musk had hacked the voting system as well?
I do blame the voters. Populist leaders like Trump, offer simple solutions, but rarely, if ever, deliver. Trump will not help create more jobs, he will destroy them, in his quest for tax cuts for the rich. People listen to his promises, rather than look at what he actually achieved.
Blaming the voters is like blaming the wind for you not being able to sail.
I will blame voters, sorry.
This is the only way out. Get those who did not vote do not pay attention to get in the game now!
You forgot the “uncommitted” or Arab Americans in Dearborn, Michigan that either voted third party or voted for Trump because of Gaza. They helped swing the state to Trump.
Right. Well what if an arab country were murdering hundreds of thousands of Israelis. Would you expect American Jews to shut up and take it and support an American government which was arming that? Biden should have cared more about Michigan than he did about Tel Aviv.
So tell me, how is voting for Trump working out for Gaza?
I wouldn't know. I didn't vote for Trump
Ahh you voted third party, same as if you had voted for Trump. Sorry, you don’t listen to the news? Trump wanting to remove all Palestinians from Gaza so he can create the Gaza Riviera? Bibi’s bombing runs? Ring a bell?
I voted Hariss, dumbass. Harris, however, lost every swing state. All of them.
Your colleague in work got silenced for speaking up on a genocide, and you threw her under the bus, suggesting it was about ratings. Write a book about how to be a shithouse colleague and a liar, go on
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025...
Anti woke and freedom of speech was only ever so they could promote their own views, and their views only. All free speech advocates hate it when you freely speak a view that opposes theirs. Your right to free speech should not affect my right to be offended, and react.
They hated this stuff when they thought it was directed at them for being racist. Now that it's directed at people for not being racist enough they seem quite content.
The fraudulent loudmouths have come to realise that even they are not immune from the madness of this Trump administration. First they came for…., then they came for…., yep you know the rest.
It is only woke when the left does it. The US right tends to file their actions under 'patriotism', not dissimilar to Brexiteers' 'sovereignty'.
Ooh the freedom! Good always triumphs over evil.
At this point anti-woke is just a synonym for hypocrite.
Once you have successfully enslaved your population to debt you can threaten them all you like
Worrying decelopments here too … bsky.app/profile/quak...
Very scary - Starmer must be in support of this cos his insanely strong pro-Israel stance
Toby Young and the Free Speech Union will no doubt be along any minute to criticise Trump and Elon
What will Toby do with the empty bottle I wonder?
Pass the brain bleach
Legit thought this was Phil Mitchell fam.
As a kid I remember a military coup would always involve taking control of tv and radio stations to control the narrative. They have the narrative through SM and will control the narrative for a decade. There will always be somebody to blame, Mush owns the printing press...
*Musk
I preferred “Mush”. Felt very accurate.
It wasn’t an accident.
What's that saying....A Paper Tiger...
You wait centuries preparing for this moment only to find that the self proclaimed guardians of liberty are impotent
Am I mistaken, or has the number of school shootings dropped since Trump took office? Is he satisfying the demand for mayhem?
Interesting idea. Has he empowered the incels, racists and bigots, allowing them to openly vent their bile on fellow pupils with impunity. Therefore, preventing the pressure cooker effects of the mass shooting? I'm wondering if suicides will increase on the other side of that equation.
All that effort defending one amendment for the rest to get thrown in bin (along with original document) still absolute Monarchy works better...doesn't it?
That's beautiful. And oddly reminiscent of this old chestnut ...
Their advocates are too busy shooting school children
The "anti-woke" warriors got new orders to call everyone domestic terrorists so they can justify it
To make a deal with Trump is to condone this, to be complicit, to side with the oppressor, to weaken your own position and to let your true allies down… There is no ‘bridge’ option in the face of this kind of evil.
Totally agree. There’s no middle ground here.
Has anyone told Starmer yet..
Agree. To invite him for a State Visit is treasonous. It debases our whole nation
Or, it gives us an opportunity to show this vile, odious, orange narcissistic buffoon, just what we think of him!?!
Also To quote/paraphrase Burke: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
As Simon Tisdall said in his article in the Observer, "Don't feed the monster"
Silence is complicity. "Be silent or be silenced" is their mantra.
In any event, the permanence and stability of any ‘deal’ that might be agreed would be highly dubious…
Any deal with Trump is an exercise in futility, a grand naivety.
Well said the British Government's obsequiousness in the face of fascism is as despicable as it is cowardly. Appeasers. They can stuff any trade deal with Trump. Rejoin the customs union as the first step to rejoining the EU.
America under Trump is turning into the exact opposite of what the Founding Fathers would have wanted Unfortunately the billionaire owned media are happy for it, as long as their owners get tax cuts And legal system looks compromised
Trump's fascist idiocracy continues. Ah 'murica.
Under his 👁
Except Bernie Saunders. He gave a brilliant speech the other day. Why are you ignoring him? He is a one man opposition to Trump. He tells it like it is.
Well I am woke and not afraid. Fuck that Orange POS and them boot licking Men and Women that think just like him in his administration.
Handy primer on fascism for those who might need it, eg. your classic 'Libertarians'. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK6f...
Very few people of any political stripe care about protecting speech they don’t agree with. Same as it ever was.
They are absolutely of favour of free speech for anyone who they agree with.
It's just like Brexit, when anyone with half a braincell can see it's just a package of destruction wrapped up in yesterday's Daily Mail, - watch them run for the hills quicker than Billy Whizz. Rats leaving a sinking ship.
@mrjamesob.bsky.social this is a rather good example of someone not being silenced bsky.app/profile/resi...
It’s almost like Retro 1930’s Germany is a thing! They say things go in circles and come back into fashion but this is a bit extreme
And being blackmailed into do pro bono legal work costing millions of dollars.
Freedom of speech, opinion, belief as long as it's there's James
They hate it only when it's not them doing it,,,hypocritics the lot of them
James, I don't understand why you and others in the media aren't explaining what's happening in the States in terms of Project 2025, which is clearly what's being put in place. (Sorry if this is a repeat message I'm new to Bluesky!)
James, I don't understand why you and others in the media aren't explaining what's happening in the States in terms of Project 2025, which is clearly what's being put in place.
Just not *that* stuff. 🙄
America is becoming Russia. Very worrying time for everyone watching.
They have no reason to complain, they love to see their Messiah deliver on his promises as long as the effects of his actions are confined to the people they deem to be their enemies. If they get a taste of Trump's medicine it's obviously Joe Biden's and the filthy democrat's fault.
Freedom of speech slow death in the US.
Free speech is only allowed if it praises the dictatorial orange man-baby.
They didn’t want freedom of speech, expression, religion, assembly. They only want *their* speech, expression, religion and assembly. Everyone else is punished , disappeared, extorted. Many folks have been warning about this for years! Legacy media and “free speech” warriors derided them.
Free speech, innit? You know, the kind that we in Europe are apparently completely shutting down? Arseholes.
I’m a public education worker in the US with UK heritage, working on my dual citizenship case. I stopped seeing US as “my country” long before this, but now I see it as an enemy to be stopped. Most people I know here are unable to even face the issue. I hope UK people learn from our mistakes.
