This is absolutely catastrophic for U.S. higher education, and for U.S. global leadership. Just the latest in a series of senseless acts of self-sabotage by a malevolent administration bent on making the United States weak and poor.
This is absolutely catastrophic for U.S. higher education, and for U.S. global leadership. Just the latest in a series of senseless acts of self-sabotage by a malevolent administration bent on making the United States weak and poor.
US deserves this. Not saying y’all asked for it (but ya did,kinda), it’s bc y’all have it put a stop to it. In time.
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There are a lot of 5 year phd programs.
QED
Don’t forget sick. They’re absolutely trying to make us sick, too.
These vandals are butchering our country every day in every way!
Not only is it short term recruitment catastrophic, I suspect a lot of unis might respond by moving to a strictly time defined PhD program, which would honestly make them even more like diploma mills. This might not seem like a big deal for some depts, but it's terrible for the sciences
Catastrophic is an understatement
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Until Trump the US was a Mecca for scientists and academics in all fields. Many began leaving in the spring as grants and programs shut down. This will accelerate the trend, leaving us a backward nation.
Russia continued to fight and has now won the Cold War.
Corporal Bonespurs said he loves the uneducated. Outloud. To their faces. So there's that.
Yes, it's senseless but let's state it for what it really is: a half-ass backward, fucking stupid, xenophobic policy. Blows my mind.
It is catastrophic if the rule means grads can only stay for 4 years in total, but I am not sure this is what it implies. The Duration of Status thing always meant that once one was in the US, one could stay until the end of ones academic program, regardless of the expiration date of one's visa
For example, my visa expired in 2021 but the US embassy in Brazil was closed due to Covid, thus limiting my ability to get my visa renewed. However, since I was inside the US when the expiration happened, I could stay for the "duration of my status" as an F1, even with an expired visa.
I think the problem is that they're eliminating the "duration of status" designation and now students will have 1 fixed period of stay (nothing to do with the entry visa, this is purely related to legal status once in the US). Additionally, deference to prior adjudication is being eliminated as well
What I read the new ruling to mean is that one cannot stay indefinitely, as long as one's status as a student remains active. Rather, it means that students can stay up to 4 years each time they entry in the US. A grad student could come, stay for 4 years, leave, renew their visa, and come back
I am not saying this is fine--it will be a series of unnecessary and costly steps--but I don't think it means people must finish a PhD in 4 years, just that they can't stay in the US indefinitely while their PhD is ongoing.
I have no idea how many international PhD students come to the US and never go back home until they finish their studies but I would guess that the vast majority does leave (and return) at some point before 4 years.
A lot fewer of them are going to leave and return given the clearly documented difficulties crossing the borders. And who is going to start a program that takes >4 years if the government can just say "you can't finish" in the middle? Maybe people who can write remotely, but no one in bench science.
This is so terrible! It takes many PD students longer than four years to finish their dissertations. Now these brilliant foreign students will go somewhere else. 😥