Oh jeezus. #r4today has James Cleverly pretending he’s got a coherent position on leaving the ECHR. Groundhog Day. More tedious, far right, isolationist, untrustworthy, ruinous nonsense claiming to be reasonable. Go away and have a proper think. Because you’re not coming back until you do.
Why do you think they are so desperate to get rid of our human rights? Their main argument is so they could make better ones, and of course in the last 20 years they certainly have earned our trust to do just that…….not!
People still listen to #R4TODAY WOW.
In fairness to Cleverly, Fromage doesn't have a coherent plan either & he's being handed the keys to Downing Street 🤷🏻♀️
“Shithole” Cleverly 🙄💩🤦🏻♂️
Maybe if our politicians worked at fixing the basic structural issues in our politics, our nation and our infrastructure instead of posturing over manufactured issues designed to create outrage we might be in a better place.
James 'Herpes' Cleverly, you just can't get rid of him.
Don’t ask the impossible!
Happy for them to do the ‘go away’ part forever… that’s looking very possible
Admire your optimism! 😀
What is it with the UK that they want to leave every institutions??
Just the ones that are of benefit to the wider population.
They believe the electorate hate the word “European” and that this hatred will propel them back to power.
That’s so depressing.
It is. And sadly millions of gammons still think the ECHR is an EU Court, and thus “Brexit hasn’t happened properly innit?”
Yup, the gullible are so fucking predictable.
Are you sure it's just "European" institutions? Yesterday,the Rotten Orange announced 🇺🇸 would leave UNESCO (yes,because why promote Education, Science & Culture when you can not promote them?) Arguably, UNESCO is headquartered in Paris, so it must be "European" too. How long before 🇬🇧 follows suit?🤦♂️🤢
Oh good grief! I did not see that 🙄
If you want to follow the 🇺🇸 💩show, I'd recommend this website by Prof. Christina Pagel, which she advertised a couple of days ago. 🇺🇸 leaving UNESCO is listed already 🙂 (#751) bsky.app/profile/chri...
Excellent thank you!
If nothing else (but there is much else 🙂), it will give you a daily digest of the latest horror stories coming from the other side of the Pond. Horror stories come thick (very thick) and fast, so it's difficult to keep track 🤮
I usually keep up but sometimes I take a breather. LOL
Next they'll be moaning about the European Space Agency, Eurovision Song Contest and UEFA...
Don't start with the Eurovision 😂
Genuinely some of them do Particularly the song contest where they insist the “EU is punishing us” because we get fuck all votes.
Hard to grasp how truly dense they are.
The ones who claim “Brexit hasn’t happened properly” redefine the concept of stupidity.
Don't they just!
It’s because our cowardly politicians have hidden behind ‘blaming’ these institutions rather than standing up for their actions. That and a post-colonial identity crisis and a democracy crisis that seems to have infected the West as a whole. What we need in the West is leadership.
We do . But surely people should realise that leaving stuff is not a solution. Brexit should be the perfect example .
There seems to be no refuge from stupidity these days so for the sake of my mental health I try to avoid it as much as possible, but it permeates life now to such an extent that it becomes unavoidable.
Can he have a proper think, though? Is he even capable of that?
Sorry, but Cleverly has to be the biggest mis-nomer ever...
bsky.app/profile/dana...
If the only thing the Tories have left is dismantling the institutions they created in the name of freedom and extremist voters they are fucking doomed, and good luck to them
Was there a reshuffle, did she do it, nothing on the front pages, did I miss it.
My phone signal failed and saved me from the second part of that interview. There is a God.
Send help. We’re in trouble. Hurry. Ends…
Sadly, a possible road back for failed Tories is to defect to Reform. Apparently, Farage, the multi millionaire, man of the people, architect of Brexit and climate change denier, funded by fuel/oil corporations and the pick of Project 2025 people for a UK Trump, is backed by r/wing media to govern.
The evil little scroat was on the cover of at least 4 national papers yesterday, including the i which I normally buy. Hard pass on any media promoting the charlatan.
That's the problem these days, the loonies get a platform, probably by buying it or doing a mate a favour.
His position makes absolute sense but for it to do so you have to have taken the rohypnol.
These post-Boris remnants continue to sink the Tory party...
Why do he, Badenoch, Hunt, et al, always sound so bloody condescending when interviewed? It makes me want to slap them.
Whenever I hear people advocating leaving ECHR I refer to this and ask, exactly which of these rights do they want us to lose and why?
Sadly, they, or worse, are. The vast majority of UK mainstream media are determined to make Labour a one term government at all costs. The damage that the Tories have inflicted onto the little people (and Farage will do given half a chance) is never enough.
Interviewed by that arsewipe Justin Webb too, always allowed an easy ride.
He came across to me as actually saying, without saying it, that he doesn't agree with leaving the EHCR but has to go along with Kemi. The thing that irritated me more was his denial that the asylum backlog/hotel problem was created by the Tories.
No sight, sign, nor sound, that proves he has even a smidgen of Christ-like conscientiousness. WP, & their ‘hero’s’-fellow con-men, in other palatial places. All for profiting from committing treason against Earth, her people, & her God. Yes She has one God. As do I. The others fight for possession.
What, Dimmly’s back? Well, he was an idiot before so he probably still is. He’ll fit right in to the clown show
Listening to Cleverly was not a good start to the day. 🤯
So much for Idiotly being on the ‘Tory centre’, just as vile and disgusting as Bad Enoch and Honest Bob.
He wants us to leave something that protects us from people like him 👽
No doubt his flimsy arguments were dismantled rapidly by the incisive, well-informed, fact-based analysis of the #R4Today presenters that clearly explained the implications. Or, perhaps not?
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Justin Webb flailed around like a damp sponge… and Cleverly breezed through arrogantly, thinking he was nailing it. Once again - a useless exchange. No one any the wiser. And certainly not Cleverly.
So glad I missed that. Equilibrium intact.
Justin gets a bit lost without his emotional support Farage.
Thanks - I listen much less to #R4Today; often just for the news bulletin.
Same. It's not what it used to be.
Ditto.
Never was nominative determinism so absolutely disproved.
BBC complicit in disinformation . Not acting in publics best interest but giving free PR and platforms for ideas without scrutiny or challenge. BBC charter? Where’s opposing voices( of reason)
No doubt he was reminded of the hundreds of hours we all had to endure hearing him justify and cover up the lies of Johnson.
Who?
When I think of conservatives it reminds me of Dumb and Dumber.😅
(Sir?!) James (I’m not very) Cleverley promoted to the front benches to spout the same nonsense that Kemi ( I’m certainly) Badenough does . God don’t you Tories get it? The Country is sick of your crap , how about just being honest? You’re making it too easy for (fake) Farage
The same idiots who damaged the UK for 14yrs now saying the same things and pretending they are new ideas. The tories will be annihilated at the next election and rightly so, but many of these losers are simply joining reform
Deep, deep sigh Zzzzz🥱😪😴
Jimmy Dimly rides again. I was cringing into my porridge. If he's the answer, the Tories are finished.
Definition of insanity….
The delusions of the Tories, the belief the public wants to leave the ECHR, the majority don't. Only idiot right wing supporters follow blindly the lies of Reform/Tories that scrapping the ECHR gives us freedom, in their ignorance they hand over independence to the wealthy elite who will abuse them
We aren't leaving the ECHR. The PM said so weeks ago. It's another thing for RW to latch on to for shit stirring and to try and garner votes. Braverman wrote a badly written piece on why we should leave the ECHR. Appalling from a former AG.
They'll say & do anything to get even 1 of those utter nasty far right #farageMob draped in St Georges Flag back. The human rights history of Empire is horrid and these Brexiteer Empire wankers would just love a pre WW2 progressive settlement world to pay in, human rights? What human rights?
It's all they have....
The man is a gobshite parasite to the political system. His rise through the Tory ranks , compared to his positive achievements is laughable. He's a fraud.
Shadow Housing? Shadow Local govt? Is there nothing this man, former Home Secretary and former Foreign Secretary, won't stoop too in order to reposition himself in the Tory party?
And he’s portrayed as being a “sane” Tory! 😂
Sarah you’re providing a real public service by listening to R4Today so we don’t have to - thank you.
Absolutely! She listens, so we don't have to. I can barely fast forward thru PM (if at work) most days & cherry pick topics. I'm down to about 10 minutes ish or less.
Agreed!
Think you have just described all politicians at the moment.
The original numb-minded #ToryTrumpet
Wasn’t he supposed to be one of their “moderate” ones….
I thought we’d heard the last of him, and Gove on ITV, double bullshit, double 🤮
Good God is he the best they can do ? Good grief
Think? Jimmy Dimly?
Cleverly, the most inappropriately named politician ever, Balls, the most appropriately named...
The Tories are going to end up positioning themselves to the right of Deform, aren't they?
If Harold Macmillan were alive today he'd be seen as a raving lefty. As for Rab Butler, goodness knows what they would make of him. If they really want to restore the Tory Party, they should be moving to the left, not the right.
I was, in an odd way, relieved. I'd always called him the oxymoronically named James Cleverly but for a few months he actually sounded quite intelligent. So I'm glad to hear he's back in normal mode. And could someone tell him the word is 'secretary' not 'seckitary'?