That women’s safety, women’s rights are irrelevant, ignored in pro-trans arguments is one of the things that distinguishes the trans rights campaign from previous gay rights, anti-racism campaigns
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Irrelevant, ignored and dismissed
aug 31, 2025, 11:27 am • 0 0 • view
I think it's convenient for you to imagine that the campaign for trans rights is different than the one for gay rights. Except that one of the key points anti-gay rights activists made was that putting them in with straight people, in places like changing rooms...
aug 31, 2025, 11:41 am • 1 0 • view
...was dangerous because they would be attracted to the people in there, and they would prey on them. It's literally the same bigoted point reheated for a different minority. Also, most prisons in the UK have a separate wing for people convicted of sexual crimes.
aug 31, 2025, 11:41 am • 1 0 • view
There are women currently in Scottish prisons sharing shower blocks with biological males. That you don’t think this matters shows, very clearly, your priorities. Which is why the trans rights campaign can be described as a Men’s Rights Campaign. Name-calling is no argument - shows you lack one.
aug 31, 2025, 11:55 am • 0 0 • view
Prison rape is horrific and we should all be working towards a world in which it's never allowed to happen to anyone, of any gender. Using it as an excuse to segregate trans people for the protection of cis people makes exactly as much sense as segregating gays so they don't rape straights.
aug 31, 2025, 12:28 pm • 1 0 • view
And, you know, it's your right to believe that we should segregate people based on gender, sexuality, race etc. I'm not telling you to shut up! I'm just pointing out that it's a very right-wing view of the world.
aug 31, 2025, 12:30 pm • 1 0 • view
As a leftist, I believe we should be massively reducing the number of people in prison, which would also reduce prison rape. As a right-winger, you believe we should be segregating people to make sure prison rape doesn't happen to the wrong people. We can agree to disagree.
aug 31, 2025, 12:31 pm • 1 0 • view
As I said earlier, I’m not right wing. And I find this assumed split curious. TRA arguments prioritise trans women (ie males) over women - this is patriarchy, revisited. Which is normally the position of the right. And one might assume (maybe) that the left would be pro women’s rights. But, no 🤯
aug 31, 2025, 12:40 pm • 0 0 • view
And, it is surely just as legitimate for women to care about women’s rights as it is for trans people to care about about trans rights. Fine, let’s have a debate, But the LEFT’s position was ‘no debate’. Shut up, women. Remind me how that was progressive, again?
aug 31, 2025, 12:45 pm • 0 0 • view
If they aren't convicted of sexual crimes, then yeah, that makes sense. What unique danger does a trans woman represent in that situation, that couldn't be applied to a cis lesbian?
aug 31, 2025, 12:01 pm • 0 0 • view
I'd also like to point out that trans men also exist. It can hardly be described as a men's rights campaign when it affects both genders.
aug 31, 2025, 12:01 pm • 1 0 • view
If anyone is being raped at a higher rate in prisons, it's trans people. "Corrective rape" (uh) is a terrifying reality for trans women, especially. We don't have separate women's spaces for no reason - it's because there are countless scientific studies showing that it's dangerous if they don't.
aug 31, 2025, 11:47 am • 0 0 • view
We should also follow the science on trans people, who are victimised at an even higher rate than cis women - up to four times (!) as much in some studies.
aug 31, 2025, 11:48 am • 0 0 • view
I get it that the only women you think matter are trans women. Fortunately, the Supreme Court judged that ALL the protected characteristics in the Equality Act were deserving of equal consideration; and that trans people’s rights did not (and never have, in law), trump the rights of women.
aug 31, 2025, 12:05 pm • 1 0 • view
Except it was a nonsensical ruling that ignored that trans women had been able to be legally considered women since 2004. Go on, scream the people who had marriages annulled because they were considered same sex marriages and got birth certificates contradicting you didn't have either happen.
aug 31, 2025, 1:23 pm • 0 0 • view
You people cheered for a ruling in clear contradiction of reality that essentially was claiming when a law mentioned about a specific subset of people it didn't mean people legally considered to fall under it and instead meant a different one. Based on nothing.
aug 31, 2025, 1:23 pm • 0 0 • view
I think ALL women's rights matter, and that we should follow the science on how best to protect people. Also, you chastised me for name-calling earlier, but here you make a clear distinction between "trans people" and "women". If you don't want to be called a bigot, stop using bigoted language.
aug 31, 2025, 12:10 pm • 0 0 • view
Do you think in a situation where a trans woman rapes a cis woman in a prison, I'm going to argue that's fine? No, of course, the rapist in that situation should be segregated. But we have the numbers - trans women are at greater risk of most crimes than cis women, so they need greater protection.
aug 31, 2025, 12:10 pm • 1 0 • view
It's also laughable to claim moral superiority by using the UK court of law. Since when has the law served women of its own accord? It's always had to be forced into it begrudgingly. So it goes for anyone non-male, and non-rich at that.
aug 31, 2025, 12:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Despite rape obviously being illegal, conviction rates are terrible and stalking issues for women are often ignored until something seriously dangerous happens. That the Supreme Court doesn't want to offer any assistance to trans people is hardly surprising.
aug 31, 2025, 12:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Apologies if you were enjoying the argument, but it's time for me to block a TERF now.
aug 31, 2025, 12:20 pm • 1 0 • view