It is also important to remember that the way we sleep now is very much a new thing, for a very long time the norm was to go to bed, sleep for a while, get up and do some stuff, then go back to bed, and have a nap during the day. 8 hours straight is not how we are meant to rest.

I do both...I sleep until 10AM, get up and do my daytime stuff take a nap from 6 PM until 10 and then work from 10PM to 4AM...in effect getting two days out of one...

I do the same: 2 days in one, except I'm reversal of you. But, yeah: first day to work, second day for family 😍

Agrarian holdover? You city folks can't survive a week without farmers. And, it's called circadian rhythm. Look it up.

Well, it depends; what time zone are you in?

People were limited by darkness. Candles were expensive

Look at me out here watching for bears n shit

I worked a lot of midshift/night jobs and happily went to bed around 6AM, woke up somewhere between noon and 2PM. Lots of people in my life had big opinions about that. My roommate had a girl over once who intentionally made tons of noise around the apartment because "it's time to get up."

I believe we each have a clock in our bodies that tell us when to sleep and when to awake! It’s not going to be the same for everyone! So there isn’t any good or bad! We are all different! Let’s celebrate our diversity and include each of us into our society!

I blame Ben Franklin and the sun.

BS worked on call for 35 years at all hours of the day 24/7.

I suspect it's a holdover from the days before artificial lighting was cheap and commonplace - a.k.a. agrarian days, but really anything. When you can basically only get things done during daylight hours being able to maximize that time was important. Nowadays, not so much.

I’m a night owl myself but have a saying. Fuck ‘em. 😆

I strongly suspect it's something to do with Anglophone xenophobia against those awful southern Europeans who take siestas, then stay up until ungodly hours.

Hey! I take my nap, every day, after lunch 😉 You can call us Latinos, too 😉

Capitalism.

People tend to be industrious in the morning: later in the day, they frequently drink or smoke cannabis and watch tv.

My uncle used to quip that his father (my grandpa) would honor you if you got up early even if it was to steal. Getting up early was a virtue per se for grandpa and a lot of folks in the north Georgia mountains in those days.

If only the half that stayed up telling stories and tending fires had gone for a walk when the bears turned up perhaps we wouldn't now have to worry about the crowing Early Birds?

I'm for reviving biphasic sleep patterns

I want to retire some day so I can live my proper biphasic sleep life

The early bird still gets the worm

When I was a kid, through school, early jobs, etc., I was a night owl. When I got pregnant with my first kiddo, it was like a switch went off and I became an early bird. The kids are grown, but I've had some really serious health issues and I've flipped back to a night owl. 🤷‍♀️

As a night owl married to morning person, I attribute her bright cheerfulness in greeting the day to some form of insanity. She voluntarily sets a 5:30 AM alarm. So she can “start her day…” It’s a sickness. Truly.

Married? She doesn’t like talk down to you and treat you like shit because your schedule is different??

😂😂😂😂 my alarm is set to 4:10 am. I can't stay in bed after 5:00. (But look my other comment about doing two days in one)

I can get shit from people because I take a nap every afternoon. It's like, "I don't get any more sleep than you do".

My husband somehow survived 43 years working all 3 shifts. He rotated weekly. I don't understand how he managed to make his body adjust, it wasn't easy. If you're able to do what works best for you? Godspeed.

if we could start whacking capitalism with a rolled up newspaper or something until it stops forcing everyone to pretend that humans are supposed to be diurnal that'd be great like not even the ones awake in the day are properly diurnal. humans are biphasic with no natural uniformity of When.

Exactly!

In temperate regions people could mostly only do work in daylight. That means they worked long hours in the summer and didn't work a lot in winter. They slept a lot and where half wake at night doing repetitive little tasks.

It is the cows. Them cows need to be milked in some unfathomable time like 5 AM.

I get up at 5 or 6 without an alarm, gym, rest, get stuff done, work from 12-9. Asleep by 10 Life is good. I'm not tired or stressed.

It's a product of industrialization and factory work. We have a much longer history of biphasic sleep patterns, going back potentially millennia. Short answer: the boss wants you in on time www.news-medical.net/news/2017051... www.bbc.com/future/artic...

Must be a slow day 🙄

🎶 We get up at twelve and go to work at one take an hour for lunch and then at two we're done 🎶 -- The Wizard of Oz (1939) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur7G...

www.imdb.com/title/tt0084...

if the capitalists had their way we'd sleep for fifteen minutes every 2 hours and never stop working.

You self indulgent peon! The Broligarchy has graciously given 10 minutes rest in a three hour period and no more! Lest you forget your place!

Evolutionarily, we used to wake up in the middle of the night and be awake for a few hours. This likely meant that someone in the tribe was awake at any given hour of the night and would be alert to dangers.

Beyond that, we woke up when it started getting light enough to see and went to bed when it got too dark to do anything but stoke the fire.

i'm with you Rebecca

If you wake up at 10 and work until 2, no one is going to call you lazy unless you are late for something

Naps are awesome too.

reasons - 1. early risers can't be vampires 2. punishment for being a drunk, carouser, party-boy. 3. Never late for work. 4. make me breakfast in bed.

😂

Farming requires getting up early. Bankers go to work around nine. Farmers don’t like bankers. It’s biblical.

Yes, however if you pay attention to your Cicadian biorhythm you will notice that the body has evolved to regulate itself in sync with phenomena such as sunrise and sunset, night and day, as well as lunar cycles in just the same way that all flora and fauna have !!!

puritanical values, also no dancing ✋🏽 💃🏽

Well that guy with the ridiculous morning routine says that sin lives at night so that’s why he gives to bed at like 7:30 or something

I’m on her side

I was told that early birds get worms.

Control. Capitalism = control. Circadian rhythms are inherited and stable throughout the adult lifespan, and vary from very early rising to very late. No wonder they hate science.

I recall hearing a police chief speaking once. He said that his ideal world would be if the citizens were only allowed outside to go to and come back from work.

It’s leftover from “The Golden Age” when Unions began to form and the oligarchs called workers lazy for wanting ANY days off and not working til sunset and starting at sunrise….which are the same hours slaves worked.

Another reason I resent the attempted rewriting of history to remove immigrants. Italians, Irish we have MUCH to thank them for the forming of Unions.

You think we have MUCH to thank of two groups of white immigrants specifically, huh?

Fun fact, when the Italians and Irish were immigrating in big numbers, they weren’t considered white.

As a descendant of those people, I’m incredibly well versed in how Irish immigrants were treated. Thanks for your little lesson though. 👍🏻

AT ALL.

Yes. I think doing some reading in this area would be quite beneficial to you. There is a large hole of knowledge in this area of social justice.

I think you can take your condescension and shove it up your whitewashing ass. :)

I am of the "early bear warning" portion of the tribe. I often look up from something I'm doing and think "The sun's coming up. I should try sleeping." It's a very good thing that I'm finally retired. Getting up for school and work was hell.

When the birds start chirping in the silence… “oh no!”

I'm the early riser in my family, even though I'm retired and don't need to get up so early. I've always been this way. My nieces both run on "vampire" time. Up all night, sleep most, if not all, of the day.

same- grew up with 4 vampires and 1 early bird. I used to watch the tv test pattern in the morning which tells you something about my age.☺️

If you don't get up before dawn you can't feed the chickens in a timely manner.

What does it mean when my natural sleep cycle is to get up at 3am and be in bed by 6-7pm…?

you march to the beat of a different drummer

I always had to work 2nd or 3rd shifts back in my youth but then spent 26 years cleaning houses during the day.that was hard to get used to.i still wouldn't get to anyone's house until 10 a.m. Now retired,I'm back to old habits.staying up late and sleeping til noon!

Me too, ain’t retirement great. I did shift work for many years, then decided to work dayshift, thinking I’m going to be cranky til noon, so why not be at work lol.

Well I’m still up 👀 and feeling guilt about that

Related struggle ~ I can tell myself when to wake up and generally, am awake moments before my alarm goes off and so I silence it so that my wife rarely ever hears it. My wife, however ~ phone is at full volume, at least one snooze, back up alarm an hour later, if skipping gym... C'est la vie

"Early bird" was not a moral thing, more of a morale thing ~ offering first pick of day's bounty, cooking & eating before family is too hungry; etc. Yet, it is the 2nd mouse that gets the cheese... Probably no right answer. Possible life hack ~ Remotely working into a more compatible time zone?

I'm up late (obviously) and my neighbor has said that helps her sleep at night lol

Candles versus electricity. Technology, not morality.

10 am until 2am person Love being up late, love it 😍

I've always been wired for a 4:30-5am shut down time. Even as a small child I drove truck overnight for a couple decades, being on the highway I'd *have* to stop and close my eyes around 4:30. 1/2hr power nap, and I'd be good to go until to noon. Without the nap, I'd be falling asleep at the wheel.

It’s about living in a society. If you are active when others aren’t you aren’t able to interact for as many hours per day. The latency of interacting with you is much higer, limiting your value. It’s not lazy it’s selfish and inefficient for most jobs.