The problem with a "Joe Rogan of the left" is that the right just wants to tear stuff down, which requires no deference to experts, whereas the left wants to build working govt programs, which necessitates a deference to expertise that is antithetical to the Rogan shtick. This is a basic asymmetry.
We’re just not built that way left of center. Al Franken discovered that with his media venture. Perhaps our closest equivalents are comedian pundits like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
It’s like “the Death Star of the rebel alliance,” like… the alliance doesn’t want to blow up planets full of innocent people.
I don’t agree with this. The idea is to create propaganda and “content”, to villainize and ostracize Republicans, not to describe policy. There’s no need for policy experts in producing propaganda.
The Right seeks and wants sound bites. The Left wants to create and enact policy and govern.
Your mistake is thinking it needs substance. It's completely performative. You can sway these mouth breathers to any way of thinking with the right performance. You can feed into their grievances from any point of view. The key is to use short words from someone without a degree.
Indeed. The story of the rights recent success. Their schtick is so suited to modern (social) media.
Are you a Zionist?
The other problem is the moment this person voices support for something like Medicare for all eBay would be promptly silenced or deplatformed
Left had to find something that is authentic to it, not copy someone else's aesthetic and say "look guys, I can be a cool bro too"... I'm wary that they will ever learn this lesson
The left want to tear capitalism down, does that count?
Yeah, like let’s have a guy who listens to nutjobs and experts with equal credulity, but who…votes for democrats?
Based on what I see on social media, progressives want to tear down the Democratic Party.
It’s far easier to lie and spread propaganda than it is to explain facts, math, and science.
>> It's the difference between an audience that wants to watch "Hee-Haw" versus a presidential debate. Keith Olbermann ( @olbermann.bsky.social ) tells a story of a broadcaster that lost his ratings when they just moved his time slot. The "niche" of an audience is usually not transferable. <<
I have never understood the "Joe Rogan of the left" argument. Anytime a Joe Rogan clip falls onto my lap, it's one of the most inane, unhinged things I have ever seen. Do you really want a left representative that just spews insane bullshit as quickly as possible and hope it sticks?
Perhaps not the racism or the ignorance – but the style, the attitude. Left media desperately needs people with a style like that – just popping off whatever you fucking think, be willing to say it again if you had to, and not giving two shits if your adversaries out in radio land like it or not.
Chaos theory. Takes way less energy to destroy something than to make something. Things tend to move towards disorder.
The right seems to understand that certain systems are broken, but fail to understand why they're out there to begin with and don't wanna replace them.
This show needs a million subscribers: open.spotify.com/show/2LwWBn5... They spend god knows how long listening to the garbage that Rogan spews to analyze it psychologically and journalistically. They put in a ton of effort and I really believe it’s a step in the right direction.
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It is very easy to lie. Our side wants facts. We are thinking beings. Conspiracy theories, the foundation of Maga, enable the uneducated to feel smart.
Correct. Like with old stuff you may find around the house, it’s always easier to throw something away than try to fix it.
If your entire brand is being a dumb guy who doesn't have to listen to those pesky pointy-headed intellectuals, you are inherently more amenable to a political project of destroying a functioning government than building one. This is just how it is.
I do not think the idea of a right-wing intellectual is inherently contradictory; there have been many brilliant ones from whom I have learned much. But it is also not a coincidence that left-wing politics have historically had more intellectuals and the right has been more anti-intellectual.
The modern right has basically eschewed any form of conservatism that isn’t inherently reactionary and thus pretty much all of them are fundamentally anti-intellectual at core
This is because experimentation and evidence have discredited every economic theory of prosperity and efficiency offered by conservative economics, leaving them with nothing but bigotry and lies to back up their ambitions.
correct! conservatives were economically discredited, and shown to suck militarily too. those concerned with conserving historical institutions or nature or whatnot were cast aside overtime and all that is left is pandering to bigots!
I didn't get to go to uni, so my understanding of politics is mostly based in observation and experience, and from encyclopedias. My impression is that conservatism, at its core, has always been reactionary — not how mainstream media and politicians portray it. www.britannica.com/topic/conser...
That's true. Also, our message was that we would uphold democracy while we gave money to support a genocide and stayed in the middle to support the corporate overlords. Voters did not buy the message and stayed home. We should message something we could deliver, like paid leave or single-payer.
I mean i would also argue that the other problem is we already have a bunch of joe rogan of the left. We just that admit they are that. Like people like Vaush or similar definitely stray the line
antithetical to the Bill Maher schtick as well.
This campaign is a half assed attempt to emulate the right wing mouth pieces. Stop trying to imitate, get out there with authentic values, and go knock on doors. Meet the people where they live. Message message message
We don't need a left Rogan
Exactly, well said!
Agreed. They don’t argue about the methods either. Flamethrower or wrecking ball both work. Building things is hard, it requires time, planning, and coordination.
