When people lie this badly it is so easy to just be like “wow, tell me how one of the people you know died from a vaccine,” bc it’s obviously a lie & he won’t be able to answer bc it’s a lie. I’m not sure why nobody does that to these people? The tiniest amount of pushback would make them fall apart
“Well I’m not going to provide you information so you can harass their grieving families, but there are lots of examples.” I think they’d have no trouble extending the lie.
it would be a simple evasion, but I'd love to find out if they'd even bother to come up with something that coherent
the press are complicit, sadly
Prior to nomination, Makary was chief of Islet Transplant Surgery at Johns Hopkins University This is a highly focused tertiary role, not primary care The chance that he had a direct provider relationship (Covered by HIPAA) with anyone who "died" from any vaccine would be: Zero
For those unfamiliar, islet transplantation is most commonly performed for patients with Type 1 diabetes who have had challenges controlling their blood glucose. Type 1 is an autoimmune disease, not a "diet" issue which will be helped by MAHA BS about diet - they need insulin to live
Just because you are a doctor, you do NOT have a HIPAA obligation for every human on the planet. He knows that but no one is pushing back to tell him it is BS
All you really need is to be around anti-vaxxers for a day or two to find out how this kind of "logic" works. They will attribute literally anything and everything to vaccine injury. You seriously cannot bring up any health complaint around these people without them attributing it to vaccines.
Because, unfortunately, most "journalists" these days are little more than stenographers
"But if we challenged politicians who lie to us about their lies, then they wouldn't talk to us any more and we wouldn't get the opportunity to print more of their lies."
Who the fuck is Makary and why should anyone listen to a word the douchenugget says?
He’s the commissioner of the FDA.
Ah, okay. So he's another unqualified bag of shit we shouldn't pay attention to.
Like Wazu said, a douchenugget.
I whole heartedly agree. Unfortunately, Makary is a very powerful one. 🤬
Is he a fucking Jedi? Haha. You make him sound like he's got 3 out of 5 infinity stones and a golden boner.
He’s the second most powerful public health official behind Kennedy. They are all extremely dangerous.
Yeah, we get it! They're ALL dangerous, but they're not getting my "respect"! To me, they're all still douchenugget losers who are way over their heads. It's our job to observe, obstruct, decry, & shoot them down with every tool at our disposal. I get ur point, but I refuse to give them my fear.
I'm with you, man!
It enthickened their blood until it looked like plant roots in this facebook post.
F-these ppl
So many lunatics are in charge and have the biggest mic.
Ok asswipe, where is your evidence?
Is the plan now to sue the fed gov, Trump, Moderna et al? Cuz that's where this seems like they want this to go.
My friend that turned to the anti-vaccine side swore up and down that her FIL died from the vaccine. But offered no particular proof. Meanwhile, I had three family members who had died of Covid. 😕 I decided we were no longer going to be friends.
Please, for the love of humans, just once I want to see/hear a journalist do this. It effing kills me to listen to this..
Well, in my case I do in fact know a first person account of a child dying from vaccines. A person I've known for 30+ years was virulently antivax over the death of their child. I'm leaving out details out of concern for their anonymity, but they had first hand exposure. I disagree with them.
And that does happen, very very rarely. I think the best we can do is be honest about the fact that vaccines sometimes have side effects, and rarely severe ones, but it's a compelling risk benefit ratio in favor of vaccines. The data are incredibly clear.
Agreed.
Makary with malarkey
He was slightly snaky in his phrasing, because he only claims t know people who were 'injured' by the vaccine, which means that even the slightest side-effect renders the statement technically 'true'. The comment on people who've supposedly died is a classic 'friend of a friend' formulation.
The journalists who get to these positions implicitly understand that their access would be jeopardized by asking such a question
www.vice.com/en/article/n...
What I just don’t understand is, why do they want people to die. What is the endgame?
"As in, show me a clear line of cause and effect between the vaccine and the death, not that they received the vaccine and then later that day got hit by a car."
If only there was a vaccine to eradicate him.
I know a woman who is convinced the covid vaccine gave her husband the cancer that killed him. Those are the sort of answers they would give that they will never let themselves be dissuaded from believing.
the wording is very bizarre too, “I personally know *of*…” that implies he doesn’t know any of these people
He heard it from an anti vax influencer who posts on social media and invited him into a large twitter dm chat group
They don’t want pushback; they want clicks.
"You don't know them, they died in another timeline"
tbh i know someone who got guillain-barré syndrome, went deaf and ended up in a wheelchairfrom covid shot..they since made a partial recovery, 85%? not that strange to know someone vaccine injured, a death from vaccine would be more rare but not impossible.
Somebody tell him the 'scientific way' isn't just reading stories on social media, PLEASE.
Most vaccines have caused injury, and sometimes even death. Most thing have at some point, but that's not the point. You don't base conclusions on hearsay and anecdotal evidence. ie: 37 people out of every million had a vaccine injury (not death) made the COVID 19 vaccines remarkably safe.
Because most journalists covering “health and science” have zero science background. I’d even suggest the critical thinking and question formulation skills developed by a science education could benefit ALL journalism. And not being math phobic.
My oldest brother got the COVID vax, felt like shit for maybe a day, and now he's fine. Boom. Done. The average person can definitely name more personal losses from getting COVID than from getting the vaccine.
Just one follow up question would be great. Not a big ask.
Ask him to name names, or even one name which could be checked.
They would probably start screaming about HIPAA if they were asked that…
The problem is these are the same kind of people who think the MMR vaccine gives kids autism. They don't get correlation vs causation. In their minds, anyone who got a vaccine and then died counts as a data point, whether they died from cancer or a heart attack or got hit by a bus.
Not that easy. I know someone who is convinced that all his physical problems and his wife's are directly related to the vaccine. No matter that they both had those problems before, no matter that they have received vaccines in the past, there is literally nothing that will convince him.
My dad’s girlfriend is like this. She said she’s “never been the same” since getting the covid vaccine. I asked her, “how so?” and she crumbled.
Aging sucks. Especially in this country.
MAGA will totally believe it, without any proof.
He's taking VAERS as facts.
In order to be a sycophant for the Regime one must demonstrate the ability to lie constantly, and lie more than 99.8% of the population.
If you find yourself in this situation, here is some useful info: HIPAA doesn’t apply to dead people, and a death *caused by* a vaccine would be easy to track and not just cause it would be very publishable in the scientific literature. If they can’t provide any details it’s just cause they’re lying
I didn't know what that about HIPAA. Guess I better not die.
Actually I guess it's in line with how POAs die when a person dies. Whatever it was you wanted before you dies just. Dies.
HIPAA does apply for 50 years after your death. www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-pr...
You are correct. What I should have said was saying a specific person died is not a HIPAA violation and after death HIPAA is significantly different
Sucks the law helps him at this point. If he says a name it's a violation. He can just say "I know people" and they're part of the aggregate
People think that Clinical Trials are the Wild West or something… But let me tell you that the wild west never had to go to a month of meetings and do a root cause investigation b/c of a typo in their documentation. Or b/c they clicked the wrong check box giving someone access to the reports
HIPAA also doesn’t apply if you’re talking about friends who you weren’t giving medical care to.
HIPAA also doesn't apply to "friends I personally know of" even if the speaker is a licensed provider
It is very frustrating when physicians do that! I am in favor of physicians losing their license when they spread untruths that harm people. If they are profiting from the lies they tell, they should be heavily fined in addition to losing their license and board certifications. No consequences!!
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*HIPAA does apply in a limited extent after death but saying someone died is not a HIPAA violation
It'd only be covered by HIPAA if he learned about it in his capacity as a health care provider. If he just heard about it or is a friend, it isn't covered.
HIPAA doesn’t apply to someone talking about someone he knows generally anyway. It usually applies to a provider in professional context (yes, that’s simplifying). That said, your faith that he won’t make up something is touching.
When HIPAA went into effect, my fairly large tech employer had a big meeting and said that because our insurance plan was employer-funded, we were legally a provider and therefore nobody in the entire company was allowed to talk about anyone’s medical issues.
They had a consultant in to do to this presentation to everyone. Even the mail room staff. They even excerpted the statute and warned everyone that we could be personally sued for up to $50K for even mentioning Allison is expecting or Dave was complaining about his hemorrhoids.
Oh gosh don't get me hopped up on the *HIPAA doesn't* rants.
The latest story that I heard was someone at a non-health related government office complaining to workers that it was a HIPAA violation that there wasn't more privacy to talk about their criminal record. 🤯 Criminal records are public record!
And it's not a HIPAA violation if you reveal the cause of death of someone you know unless you're their healthcare provider or working for the healthcare provider. This information is often in an obituary published in the newspaper! Family members often tell friends and neighbors. rarely secret!
I just wish these people knew that all their mental health data is being apparently legally bought & sold right down to being attached to their physical address by data brokers who apparently aren't breaking any laws because they're not the ones that caused the data breach that released the records
chloehumbert.substack.com/p/your-healt...
I've been in several healthcare data breaches now across multiple health systems in 2 different countries! I got a class action check for $34.49 from the data breach where cancer patients (not me) had their nude medical photos turn up on the dark web! & I don't even remember getting treated at LVHN.
With all the mergers they’ve gone through, it’s possible it was through another doctor that was eventually acquired The LVHN breach was insane
HIPAA is good for keeping some dipshit who works at urgent care from sharing your medical details but it's mostly so that the hospitals don't just straight up sell your medical info directly to shady data brokers, at least they have to make them work for it with a ransomeware attack from overseas.
Aren’t death records public information anyway? Just like birth and marriage etc? People truly have no idea what HIPAA is. Someone tried to tell me it applied to veterinary work as well. Lmfao
No joke. The anti-vaxxers/MAHA crew are going after veterinarians now. My girl here might be autistic, but it wasn’t the vaccines. It runs in her family and I’ve helped guide her through unmasking as an adult.
Excuse me my dog would LOSE HER JOB if her boss found out she’s spayed
My cat is anti-vaccine but I can’t tell anyone she’s actually vaccinated
Are you sure HIPAA isn't just a magic spell I can utter to get out of explaining anything
hipaa certainly doesn’t apply to his social contacts who are not, i hope, his patients
I don’t think he’s seen patients in many years
That conspiracy theory crowd is like a Gr*k machine that invariably fails to respond to its programmers. Fully expect more of this shortly with the AI Frankenstein globally funded by the billionaires off leash.
A “science communicator” I used to follow said we need to have empathy for these people. But they’re goddamn liars!
I do it. I ask for a name and an introduction. "If there is someone out there who can prove there's a danger, I want to hear it directly from them, so I can help get the word out." So far, I've never gotten anybody's name.
Weird how they keep saying “many people say this” and yet never give the name of even one person who says it.
too scared they’ll be accused of bias, so they become less than useless
It kills me that they act like the COVID vaccine sketchily fell off the back of a truck instead of the fact that they had already been researching mRNA and a SARS vaccine for like 10 years already.
Because they don't believe in science. Every single antivax fuckturd should be refused healthcare
I understand the anger, but no one should be refused healthcare.
I disagree, as i know u will. Their stupidity is taking up resources when the system is slready under strain; not just that but their stupidity endangers the lives of vulnerable people. Better to let them die out and hopefully their stupidity dies out with them. Also aware this would never happen so
How I feel vs the reality of a situation is not the same thing. THAT is how I feel; that is not something I think will never happen
Peace. Have a nice night.
U too
Consider that your position on this actually removes a lot of culpability from the people who profit off of and peddle this nonsense. Many antivaxers are victims of lies and propaganda. None of us are born knowing what vaccines are and how they work.
Don't care. Those asshats should be arrested and charged.
So what's an antivaxer? Please define? We know that only 48% of Americans get an annual flu shot, Google It. Are the other 52% antivaxers? Only about 30% of Americans have got the last few covid boosters, are the other 70% antivaxers? How many shots do you need to not be a antivaxer?
An anti-vaxer generally is someone who doesn't believe in vaccines period or who thinks covid is a myth or just a flu. Or doesn't want to get them because it hurts their arm, etc. There r ppl with legit reasons who can't get them; ppl with lupus, ppl who are allergic etc. Ppl who r dumbasses and
think vaccines cause autism, or think that gives r using vaccines to stick trackers in their arms, etc
Just wondering because I noticed during the pandemic, any one who did not get a covid shot that did not stop transmission, was called a antivaxer and worse. Yet if you never got a flu shot, that was fine.
Flu shots are different for various reasons. My frustration specifically these yes is with covid antivaxxers bug the stupidity around the MMR vax that brought measles back
Which is why their personalities suck so much, so people want to run away from them rather than spend 1 more minute listening to them babble.
"The tiniest amount of pushback would make them fall apart." Apply liberally and often. As this is great advice for so many situations where a bully has claimed the pulpit. [More often than not, in such a scenario, they will lose the challenge—and you can, minimally, bathe in their humiliation.]
Because they’re cowards that are afraid of losing access above all other concerns.
What’s the “proper scientific way” to develop a vaccine?
Amazing. Mind you it applies to so much the “ I know”, before dishing something or reinforcing some unfounded theory is common. My usual reply is- so you know maybe a dozen people. On that basis that just leaves you ( in UK we are close to 60 million) to comment and your theory could be right.
All my covid vaccines were the Moderna ones which are mRna. I’m fine, this dude is full of shit and lies.
I was thinking much the same thing, but we’ve already seen how they attribute ANY “sudden” death to vaccines. So if he ever did actually name someone, it would probably be a person like that, claiming the actual cause of death is some sort of “cover-up.” 😖
Takes his cue from Trump Just make up stuff